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2022-07-11 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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The 28th Amendment *
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Preamble

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. - The Declaration of Independence

It has been decades since willful blindness and deliberate neglect to the principles of this nation have taken root both at the State and Federal level, often becoming subservient to the interests of foreigners and foreign nations.  Our manufacturing has been offshored to nations with weak environmental laws and near-slave labor conditions, with zero of those destinations honoring even the most-basic of human rights ensconced in our Constitution.  Our energy sources have been corrupted and fealty to foreign heads of state ensconced in Statute exempting same from anti-trust laws, without which OPEC could not sell a single barrel of oil into the US without the owners of said firms, many of them foreign royalty, being subject to US prosecution and the funds from said ventures recaptured through fines and forfeiture.  We have entered into conflict and war at the behest of other nations with a clear and clean question as to whether those making said decisions are in fact doing so as United States citizens with an undivided interest here, or with divided loyalty to both the US and some foreign power.

Decades of corruption of this sort have gone unanswered, and conflicts have come and gone, both economic and militarily, some of which are in process today.  This issue of divided loyalty raises the question of whether the United States indeed is a sovereign nation at all or whether it has been and continues to be corrupted by foreign influence, both within and beyond the government.

The founders expressed concern for this possibility, and in fact put in a supra-requirement for the Presidency as regards citizenship and undivided loyalty, yet over the last hundred years not one candidate from either party has presented, or have had vetted, their bona-fide undivided loyalty to this nation prior to becoming a candidate or, in the case of success, ascending to office.

In addition despite statutory prohibition on unbridled entry into the United States for purpose of residence neither major political party has lifted a finger to stanch what can only be reasonably called an invasion over the last three decades at our Southern border.  No nation can stand that does not defend itself against invasion, and no representative republic can stand over time if it allows foreign interests, whether via invasion and then subsequent lineage, or direct influence, to subvert The Rule of Law.

Therefore, in order to correct these matters and bring them in concordance with The Constitution of the United States, this Amendment is hereby proposed.

 

BE IT RESOLVED THAT:

  • The 14th Amendment is modified to read:
    "All persons born of two citizens or lawful permanent residents of the United States, or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person citizen or lawful resident within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

  • The first and second clauses of the 17th Amendment are modified to read as follows:
    "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years chosen through means selected by the Legislature of each State and signed into law by the State's Governor or enacted via override of his or her veto and shall serve a term of six years, with each Senator subject to recall by simple majority vote of both Houses of said Legislature during said term; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.  This clause shall take effect with respect to both the election and recall of Senators one calendar year after the date of ratification.

    When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election in concordance with the election of Senators in that State as prescribed by State Law to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election the process set forth in the enabling State legislation can take place as the legislature may direct.

  • New Text as Amendment {28 or subsequent as appropriate at the time of ratification} shall read as follows:
    "No person shall run for, be nominated for, or serve as a US Representative, Senator, President, Vice-President, Cabinet Member or be employed in a position of direct policy-making authority within any federal agency or instrumentality if they hold or have held citizenship or the right of lawful permanent residency in any nation other than that of the United States during the previous seven years.  No person shall be eligible to ascend to the Presidency or Vice-Presidency, irrespective of whether by election or succession, unless at the time of their birth both their biological mother and father were United States citizens and neither held either foreign citizenship or a right of permanent residency.

    For the purposes of this Amendment a federal position is considered to be that of direct policy-making authority if the person in question has direct input, authorship or capacity to approve, reject, negotiate or implement any statutory or federal regulatory authority of substantial burden on any person or entity within the boundaries of the United States and its possessions.

    A one year grace period to renounce all foreign citizenship shall apply to all current office holders and federal employees as of the effective date of this Amendment.

    The US House of Representatives is set to be apportioned at 1 Representative per 100,000 US Citizens, with the US Census directed to include and enumerate only citizens for the purpose of apportionment.  The increase in House membership shall take place after the first 2 year period has passed post ratification of this Amendment.  No voting in the US House shall be permitted by other than personal presence upon the floor of the chamber.  Changes in apportionment shall take place in the year following the decennial Census, with the new apportionment to be effective for the following 2 year election cycle.

    No Bill that impacts or raises revenue, which by the Constitution must originate in the US House, may be altered as to its materiality or primary purpose in The Senate as a means of circumvention or abrogation of the original Constitutional requirement on revenue bills.

    No Bill or Amendment may be voted upon in either the House or Senate prior to one business day elapsing after publication in finished, to-be-voted upon form for each one hundred letter-sized pages of text, with a minimum delay of one business day, counted as Monday through Friday excepting Federal Holidays, as printed in legislation-conforming format determined by the Government Printing Office, and each clause of all bills, whether in original form or by amendment, shall bear sponsorship of at least one Representative and one Senator."
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Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-07-11 07:39:01

Looks like a great start to me. There is nothing controversial in this proposal at all. And yeah. That dual citizen bullshit that goes on in our .gov at all levels is just fucking stupid. And deadly it seems to me. Cheers.

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Greenacr 621 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2022-07-11 07:39:12

I like it.

Why not add term limits to Representatives and Senators here as well?

Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 07:45:30

@Greenacr - I'm not convinced term limits are an answer to anything.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
44dave 77 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2022-07-11 09:08:26

It's DOA - will never get passed - the tribe won't let it. Too many of them, too deeply entrenched.
Would be great, and would return *some* of our sovereignty, but it will never make it through.
Flappingeagle 4k posts, incept 2011-04-14
2022-07-11 09:08:33

You need to add one more amendment, the one I mentioned a few tickers back. Every word, punctuation, change, etc, in every bill needs to be owned by at least one current representative and senator. No more slipping in benefits for whoever is paying you the most with no consequences other than your getting richer.

Flap

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Smokeyblonde13 216 posts, incept 2021-10-29
2022-07-11 09:08:40

Amendment 29: Any government official, elected or unelected, at any level of government, who proposes and legislation or regulation that restricts any Amendment shall be Executed for Treason with 24 hours said proposal.
Djsnola 286 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-07-11 09:08:48

I am in favor of term limits now because of the current setup; however, if these fixes were instituted I think the issue of term limits would actually become moot. Really, when people say they want term limits, the main argument is the person in question is out of touch with back home. With electing senators this way it becomes much easier to squash that. That would just leave the House being where discussion of term limits makes sense, but still like Karl says. Term limits seem like a great idea to solve the issues we see but they wont make progress as long as almost all bills are written by lobbyist and not congress themselves. Maybe another amendment to deal with lobbying can be created too.
Joancrawford 357 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2022-07-11 09:09:01

Hats off to you, KD. Not only do you bring truth to light, but you offer comprehensive, sane solutions. My opinion, not that anyone asked for it, is that before your solutions can be studied, ruminated, and put forth, the country as a whole must face the dire consequences of our actions. This includes everything that has been put forth over the past 70 plus years.

I say this because in my experience there is a dearth of common sense and practicality among the general populace. Almost everyone in my immediate circle of acquaintances (I hesitate to use the term "friends" since Covid 19 lay bare their true reliability) is a steadfast believer in anything and everything the 24/7 CNN, Fox, legacy media spews forth.

I'm talking real pain. Empty stomachs, joblessness, homelessness, random and situational violence need to visit each and every one of us so that we can make real reform in this diseased, godless cuntry (sic). I honestly don't see any other way out of this except to bring the people to their knees. I've been waiting for people to wake the f*ck up for over 20 years. BTW, my "wake-up call", if you will, occurred on 9/11. It was a slow process for me, but it was when I began questioning the rhetoric that constantly played in the media.

Along with my father and brother, I visited Ground Zero during Thanksgiving break after the attack. The ferry that carried us across Staten Island to Manhattan seared into my memory the still smoldering ruins that were slowly being transported to New Jersey. The stench of death hung heavy in the air. My anger slowly turned to hatred, first directed toward "the enemy". My later realization was that much of what we suffered that horrible day was a direct result of our actions.

I deeply respect the men and women who were murdered that day. My heart is still filled with sorrow and horror as to what they suffered. But when I saw "W" on t.v., climb up upon the World Trade Center debris and proclaim that we all "must go shopping", my spidey sense was awakened. Nothing would ever be the same for me after witnessing that display.

At the time, I knew that we are ruled by feckless, impudent, self-serving cowards, people who view us as cash cows, to be worked, taxed, abused, and then discarded, like the rubble that lay where the towers once stood.

We will never be free from their iron grip until people get good and pissed off. I'm encouraged by watching Sri Lanka, the Netherlands, and other places, where people have the guts to rip the head off snake that has been strangling them. With God's mercy and guidance, perhaps we can return to the principal of law and order upon which this country was founded.

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Twiggler 130 posts, incept 2021-02-02
2022-07-11 09:09:25

I know this May goes towards re-establishing some form of polling requirement, but Id add for any federal office each take and pass at some high percentage, perhaps even 100%, a test regarding only the Constitution of the United States of America.

If you dont know what your are swearing to up hold then you dont need to be in the job.

Added ---> At the very least we have a baseline that says the gooberment elect know what they are supposed to defend.

Reason: Forgot to add a qualifying statement
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 09:10:52

Quote:
You need to add one more amendment, the one I mentioned a few tickers back. Every word, punctuation, change, etc, in every bill needs to be owned by at least one current representative and senator. No more slipping in benefits for whoever is paying you the most with no consequences other than your getting richer.

The thing about fixing the Senate is that the States will enforce that.

That's why the Founders didn't care about it, incidentally. The Senate's original design made the sort of horseshit that has been pulled since the 17th Amendment impossible since if it was attempted the Legislature of the States would recall their Senators and that threat alone was enough to stop the bullshit from ever being passed in the first place.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Billhrny 186 posts, incept 2019-06-19
2022-07-11 09:31:11

@TG - Well, I like your 28th Amendment proposal better than the one Michael Moore just submitted to Congress repealing the 2A.
Orangecrush 36 posts, incept 2018-09-29
2022-07-11 09:31:14

I like your proposals and would add the repeal of the 16th Amendment to the list.
Ugrev 1k posts, incept 2010-03-08
2022-07-11 09:31:17

Loyalty doesn't necessarily have a time limit (or border, for that matter). I submit that seven years should be struck; If you "hold or have held citizenship or the right of lawful permanent residency in any nation other than that of the United States", then your loyalty is in serious question or at the very least will always be a higher factor unknown.

Granted, that even those born here can be disloyal, but they are ours, and at least would mostly not have foreign loyalties from the outset unless corrupted by foreign powers.

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Irregular Warfare is now in play
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 09:33:21

@Ugrev - The lookback has several roots:

1. A minor has no legal capacity to renounce. You must be 25 to run for the US House; ergo, seven years.

2. A person CAN change their mind.

I will add one more clause to it, which pertains to the President and VP.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Andrew 94 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2022-07-11 09:38:23

I'd like another addition.
Anybody who has ever received a paycheck from a government entity ought to have all laws applied doubly to them, forget "being exempted from their own rule that is applied to Mundanes".

I imagine that has just as much chance of passing as this, but while we dream we may as well go big.
Merlin 116 posts, incept 2017-07-25
2022-07-11 09:44:45

And another for the wish list:

"Congress Shall Pass No Law From Which It Exempts Itself"

I know, I know, as much a chance of passing as a paper cat through Hell, but I can dream, can't I?



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Weve tried the Soap Box, They censored that.
Weve tried the Ballot Box, They stuffed that.
Weve tried the Jury Box, They tamper with that.
All we have left is the Cartridge box.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 09:45:22

@Merlin - That is already prohibited via the "equal protection" clause; the problem is enforcement, not the mandate.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Merlin 116 posts, incept 2017-07-25
2022-07-11 09:51:09

True. And any normal person wouldn't need it spelled out.
But apparently, Congress is just chock full of "Special" people, who need everything spelled out to them in minute detail.

I can think of a couple of ways to spell it out for them, and in great detail. However, I think they consider most of those ways illegal.


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Weve tried the Soap Box, They censored that.
Weve tried the Ballot Box, They stuffed that.
Weve tried the Jury Box, They tamper with that.
All we have left is the Cartridge box.
Mjeff87 960 posts, incept 2021-11-22
2022-07-11 09:53:15

Clicked here expecting Michael Moore.

Ended up reading one of the best tickers yet.

How about we just retype the 10th in boldface type. For the stupids in the country who can't seem to see it (and understand what it means).

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Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 09:52:57

Fixing the 17th Amendment will put a stop to most of this, because a huge percentage of it is essentially cramming things into the State which the Federal Government has no right to do.

The original check and balance on this was that the State Legislature could IMMEDIATELY recall their Senator(s); there was no "tenure" that allowed a Senator to get away with this sort of shit and not run the risk of the Legislature instantly removing them from office.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2022-07-11 10:06:08

Quote:
No person shall be eligible to ascend to the Presidency or Vice-Presidency, irrespective of whether by election or succession, unless at the time of their birth both their biological mother and father were United States citizens and neither held either foreign citizenship or a right of permanent residency.

Yes, yes yes! It's a great start to ensure the man in the big chair actually sees Americans as his "fellows" instead of a foreign people.
Ugrev 1k posts, incept 2010-03-08
2022-07-11 10:06:16

@Tickerguy: I prefer a far more strict requirement:

"No person shall run for, be nominated for, or serve as a US Representative, Senator, President, Vice-President, Cabinet Member or be employed in a position of direct policy-making authority within any federal agency or instrumentality, nor shall any person be eligible to ascend to the Presidency or Vice-Presidency, irrespective of whether by election or succession, unless at the time of one's birth both biological or legal mother and father were United States citizens and neither held either foreign citizenship or a right of permanent residency".

Yes.. I fully believe there should never be anyone in any of those offices who ever immigrated here. I get that 25-18=7, but that doesn't preclude any foreign national from immigrating here at 35, obtaining citizenship and then running for said office (sans VP or Pr). Maybe I'm being obtuse and I missed something, but I'm hard lined at no one from any other country should ever hold public office here; and I would go so far as to say: "Not one policy making position right down to the town or village". I've seen what happened to Ithaca NY.

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Irregular Warfare is now in play
Twainfan2 999 posts, incept 2018-12-04
2022-07-11 10:12:16

I like it. Actually defines Natural Born Citizen basically.

I would be ok with repealing both the 16th and 17th amendments as well.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-07-11 10:11:43

Well @Ugrev, I can see that, BUT IMHO we don't need to go that far.

All you have to do is look at the number of Representatives and Senators who CURRENTLY have dual citizenship, whether exercised or not (e.g. a right to emigrate to another nation or reside there and in many cases they hold a Passport too.)

I had an uncle who held dual nationality with Britain and, at the time of my youth, he had to be quite careful when traveling as to which Passport he used where because it was very possible to wind up losing one of the two. We've since basically removed that, which for ordinary civilians is fine, but I'd argue he had no right to sit in the US House irrespective of the fact that he fought in WWII because he in fact had divided loyalty and used it (he managed a hotel in Bermuda for some time.)

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
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