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2021-04-04 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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It is yet to be determined how bad this might get, but it could get very, very bad.

Go back and read this article again.

This risk is real and its universal with all the Covid "vaccines" currently being produced and in trials in the US.  Worse, we relied on the RNA and protein data directly from China without independent validation via Koch's postulate and our own isolation and purification of the virus itself.  Today, as you read this, that isolation, purification and confirmation via Koch's postulate in the United States has not been done.

If you choose to accept that risk because, in your sole opinion, the risk is higher if you get The Coof than from taking this sort of vaccine, have at it.  It is my considered opinion that for virtually everyone under the age of 60, and almost without exception anyone under the age of 25 or 30 that's a very bad bet with the odds spread being nearly 100:1 against you.

Remember, if this bet is lost there is no hiding if you took any of these vaccines.  ADE-initiated harm is extremely likely to kill; in trials when it has shown up it has been nearly 100% fatal to the animals under test.  This, by the way, is why I consider coercion by any person toward anyone to force them to take such a shot to be justification for a "Hannibal" style response out of said victim or (if they expire) their family members.

But I want to focus today on a very important distinction between the three common EUA'd vaccines today and a couple that may show up later this year (NOT AstraZeneca's; that's the same basic technology as J&J.)  The J&J (viral vector) and two mRNA vaccines are all parlor tricks and IMHO extraordinarily dangerous.

While mRNA and viral vector vaccines use different techniques they all suffer from the same fatal flaw; they trick your body into producing the spike protein by infecting your cells.  The literature on these vaccines states that the injection into your arm causes your arm muscle to produce these proteins.  This is a lie by omission; your muscle tissue of course is vascularized, that is, it is very highly perfused with blood flow and thus anything injected into a muscle inevitably circulates in volume through your entire body.  Said "instructions" are thus inevitably taken up by cells throughout your body until the dose is exhausted.  The instructions delivered cannot replicate but their distribution into your body is not limited to the muscle of your arm and implying that is flat-out bull****.

The problem is that when the tricked cells produce the spike protein and thus your immune system identifies them as "defective and dangerous" it now attacks the cells.  This raises the potential for a serious or even permanent autoimmune problem; autoimmune disorders arise when your immune system goes haywire, declares your own body's cells harmful and attacks them.  Exactly why that happens is poorly understood but hijacking one's own body cells intentionally to produce a protein that you intend to be identified as dangerous and thus provoke an antibody response, on the basics of biology, appears to be criminally stupid.

In addition the potential for serious direct damage in very bad places exists because, as noted, there is no way to confine the injection to the muscle tissue.  This is almost-certainly why there is a history of blood clotting disorders and similar showing up in some persons who get these vaccines given that the virus itself, when it kills, almost always does so via thrombosis (clotting); if the epithelium of the blood vessels winds up getting some of these instructions it is not at all difficult to understand how that can produce clotting right there when the cells becomes infested and the body reacts to it.  To be clear: That can kill you outright or do permanent harm, especially if it occurs in cardiovascular blood vessels.

The other vaccines under trial right now in the US use a more-traditional approach.  They instead grow the spike protein in something else; typically in an animal of some sort via a virus that can reproduce in said animal host.  That component is then isolated, mixed with an adjuvant (a drug that promotes immune sensitivity) and directly injected.

Notice the difference: Your body cells are not hijacked to produce anything; instead the desired antigen is directly introduced into the body.  This is basically the same process used to make many other vaccines including the seasonal injection for influenza.

Those vaccines still can and do produce severe trouble in certain people but it is usually the adjuvant that is actually responsible because those adjuvants are typically required in order to get a sufficient immune system reaction.  However, the specific risk of hijacking your cellular metabolism which cannot be localized to your arm muscle is absent.

Note that potential "attack vector" for a foreign adversary still exists because as with the other vaccines they are still only using the spike protein and not the rest of the virus, so the potential to target a bioweapon at someone who has that unique, never seen in nature antibody pattern remains.  Until and unless a whole, killed virus vaccine reaches the United States there is no way around that risk if you accept a Covid vaccine.  How large that risk is remains a complete unknown; you can bet our adversaries are attempting to come up with such a virus, but whether they will succeed cannot be determined; we will find out only if they do succeed and vaccinated people start dying in large numbers.

In addition note that historically the reason whole, killed virus is not used for coronaviruses is that animal trials have repeatedly produced evasion by natural mutation and ADE.  It is for this reason that everyone has focused on using "only part" of the viral protein complex.  It may well prove up over time that exactly zero of these vaccines are safe for this reason; we do not know because we did not do the work.  You are the cat or ferret in the coronavirus vaccine trial, basically -- and in previous attempts they all died.

Finally let's talk about absolute risk.  During the trials only 1% of the control group got the virus.  That is while they like to tout "95% effective" that's wildly dishonest since the base risk during the trial period for an unvaccinated person to get the virus was only 1%.  Therefore the maximum absolute risk reduction possible was one percent.  This is, of course, never discussed.

But in terms of relative risk these later-to-the-party offerings are very likely to be much less dangerous.  I would not be surprised at all to see that they have the same sort of serious side effect profile as the flu vaccine since they are basically the same technology.

In other words in the fullness of time I fully expect it to be proved that speed will have killed, and while for seriously-morbid older people the risk of using these "first" formulas" may well have been worth it this is almost-certainly not true for those under the age of 60 or thereabouts and, with extremely rare exceptions, basically never a good bet for those under 30.

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Ive done everything I can to convince the people around me I care about to not get the jab. Have enough info now to make a convincing case against.

The vaccine is like the mask. People are doing it because everybody around them is. Maybe 10% of people think for themselves?

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Thanks for this one , Karl, and for all your hard work.
As I read, I immediately thought of the healthy nurse from Utah.
Kinda sounds like her body worked well, liver cleaned the poison, then succumbed to it.

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The strategy of the vaccination campaign is uninformed consent. The media and government are stretching the meaning of safe and effective. People have an unjustified trust in vaccines and in the people telling them to take this. I have no confidence the vaccines have any effectiveness at all. The studies they did were not even close to good science. At this point I would not even approve human trials. These vaccines should be sent back to animal studies where challenges with the actual virus can be done. Animals can be torn apart so the organs can be examined for damage. There are already safe and effective treatments with FDA approved drugs. People are seeing family members die soon after the vaccine. Is there a certain death count where the word safe can no longer be applied? It is very possible that damage from mini-strokes and blood clots is not noticed by most people as potentially serious. They know there are portions of the spike protein similar to parts of our body. No matter how the protein gets in the body the potential for autoimmune reactions is there. Only well designed long term studies can provide us with the details.

Another question is who actually needs a vaccine even if it was safe. People don't even understand why they still alive not ill. If you assume covid is a very contagious fast spreading disease then I would guess it would be rare that somebody was able to avoid exposure for a full year. Most of the population already has immunity and it is better immunity than the vaccines provide. This is what Dr Yeadon was saying. There is no medical justification. It's all risk no reward. There is no emergency to justify an EUA. I see a deliberate act of war by the government on its own people.
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So...get the "vaccine" because MIS-C is caused by the infection. But the "vaccine" does not insure you won't get the virus. smiley
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And now Rutgers University says that taking the experimental "vaccine" drug is required for attending class in the Fall.

If this isn't coercion in accepting medical experimentation, I don't know what is.

How the Hell do they think they can get away with this? Oh wait, I just realized we don't have a functioning court system in this country any more.
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@Smooth -- Someone needs to explain them that watching Hannibal would be a good idea so every single employee at said University understands the RISK they are taking with their mandate if and when EVEN ONE of the students gets a bad side effect.

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My 102 year old father, had his first vaccination, and then succumbed to the Covid 19 virus. With that stunningly beautiful Utah women, a nurse and she succumbed to the side effects of her second shot which caused her liver to fail. With that in mind, there is no way that I am getting that second vaccine vaccine shot.
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In my past readings I came across a statement that there are ACE2 receptors all over the body (where the viral spike protein enters the cell). "All over" includes the lungs, heart, blood vessels, kidneys, liver and gastrointestinal tract.

So if an mRNA vaccine spreads the spike protein all over the body, where it attaches to said cells and results in the immune system attacking them, you can see where potentially big problems might arise.

The lungs, heart, kidneys, and liver are almost 100% required to sustain life (dialysis forever reducing the kidney issue). So you can see where (possibly) injecting billions of the spike proteins' mRNA into the body via vaccine shot to spread everywhere in a few seconds would be orders of magnitude worse than having a few thousand virons enter your lungs and begin to replicate.

At least your body's immune system has a chance to snuff out a live Covid infection before it spreads to all your vital organs.

As TG points out, we've known about this sort of stuff for decades. Ovelooking it via ignorance would be bad enough, but overlooking it intentionally is genocidal and deserving of Biblical levels of punishment.


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Incidentally for those who are unaware @Wa9jml in the one short animal trial I have been able to find a report on -- but NOT THE COMPLETE DATA SET -- they knew there was a liver-related safety signal and ruled it "not important." It showed up at autopsy of the sacrificed animals. So did potential epithelial damage in the blood vessels.

So yes, they knew and I'd like to know why the FULL data set wasn't written up and published before the EUAs were granted -- and even today I can't find it, only a reference to it and that finding.

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I think these are the 2 vaccines still under trial in USA TG is saying maybe would have lower risk of bad outcomes.

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine
Novavax COVID-19 vaccine​

Depending on your personal circumstances and what you want to do with your life it could be difficult to avoid a vaccine. I have seen no sign of any attempt to block mandatory vaccines through the courts. Not that the courts would do **** anyway. My hope is enough guinea pigs voluntarily take a vaccine that serious cases drop enough that the talk of mandatory use goes away. Fauci isn't my favorite person but even he doesn't seem to want mandatory use.

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NOT the AstraZeneca one; that is a viral vector one and has KNOWN problems. NO ****ING WAY.

The Novavax vaccine is the recombinant-protein one; similar technology to the annual flu shot.

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@TG -- the epithelial damage in the blood vessels would mean that this **** is dangerous to people with cardio vascular issues such as blockages AND people with recent bypass surgery.

@Smooth -- people who are admin and work at universities have some serious pocket change, connections and influence. Guaranteed that a significant percentage if not virtually all have or will have manufactured vexxed (since they are not vaccines) credentials. I know things, and also know that the default human nature is evil.

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The problem is that when the tricked cells produce the spike protein and thus your immune system identifies them as "defective and dangerous" it now attacks the cells. This raises the potential for a serious or even permanent autoimmune problem; autoimmune disorders arise when your immune system goes haywire, declares your own body's cells harmful and attacks them. Exactly why that happens is poorly understood but hijacking one's own body cells intentionally to produce a protein that you intend to be identified as dangerous and thus provoke an antibody response, on the basics of biology, appears to be criminally stupid.

so we have figured out how to give people Lupus. Nice work *******s.

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In other words in the fullness of time I fully expect it to be proved that speed will have killed,

How many years must we wait to falsify this hypothesis?

As for the university, some employees, et al, are easier to find than others.

https://governingboards.rutgers.edu/boar....
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@Fumei - We already know it isn't falsified when it comes to immediate risks. VAERS makes this clear; the Covid vaccines are more than fifty times as dangerous as the flu shot.

As for the risk of ADE and delayed immune problems that'll show up within a year or two if it's going to.

As for TARGETED attacks that of course depends on (1) their discovery and (2) their intentional malevolent use. Good luck with putting a timeline on that, particularly if it's China, which is the most-likely source, simply because they have the most resource to put against the problem and also the motive to do so.

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There are two issues with traditional vaccines.

The first, which is limited to those that use Thimerosal as a preservative, is of course the resultant accumulation of Mercury in the body. As someone who struggled with childhood medical problems that, in retrospect, turned out to be purely Mercury poisoning, I will not accept any vaccine that has Mercury (Thimerosal) in it.

The second is the autoimmune problems which I believe are due to the adjuvants. Why are adjuvants necessary and what do they do? The underlying molecular biology of this has never been properly worked out. We do know that lab animals given vaccines without the adjuvants, that the vaccines usually do not work well. Animals given the adjuvants alone all develop autoimmune conditions.

Both of the above are serious side effects of vaccines (the first messing up my childhood and young adulthood) that the medical industrial complex will NOT own up to even today. Most people who the media dishonestly labels as "anti-vax" refuse vaccinations because of the above two problems which, as I said before, the medical complex does not recognize as existing. It is the MIC's refusal to own up to these problem that is the root cause of our lack of trust in the medical establishment and, by extension, vaccines.

This is traditional vaccines. As we see in this posting, the new COVID-19 vaccines do not have the Mercury problem as they do not contain Thimerosal, But the autoimmune problem is dramatically increased as compared to traditional vaccines. Then there is the issue of viral evasion and ADE, which is an even worse problem. But even if this never happens, the autoimmunity problems that people will get from these vaccines will be bad enough.

The media whines on and on about how don't trust vaccines, that they are "vaccine-hesitant" or even "anti-vax". But this media steadfastly refuses to acknowledge any of these issues as being legitimate. Same for the MIC itself. Instead of addressing and resolving these issues straight on, instead they work to create more and more propaganda to try to get people to forget about these issue.
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Karl, your commentary explains why people are getting autoimmune reactions to these covid vaccines even though these vaccines do not contain adjuvants. I wondered about this until I read this.
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Haven't verified the data, but have no reason to mistrust the claim:

"Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received to the system as of Friday of the previous week. Todays data show that between Dec. 14, 2020, and March 26, a total of 50,861 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 2,249 deaths an increase of 199 over the previous seven days and 7,726 serious injuries, up 631 over the same time period."

Anecdotally, my parents got their last shot 4 weeks ago. Late 70's. Mom is comorbid. Post vax my dad's personality is just... off. He's in great shape for his age, gregarious and full of mirth. Now he just doesn't seem to want to engage socially now. It could be other things going on, but the timing is suggestive.
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The phase one trials on the covid vaccines started in march 2020. The big rollout was mid-december, 2020.

So.... The trials are a year in already. If we're going to see any massive ade events, it should be with that group first, I would think. Among all the different vaccines and trials, there are several hundred thousand people involved. A decent sample set and too many to hide if big ADE events start showing up.

How long it takes to show up is also dependent on similar variants of covid running around, but it seems like that isn't going to be a problem.

How much effort do you think those in charge will go to in an effort to hide that type of problem?

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This is a global list of all covid vaccines under development separated by type.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020....


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The virus in its initial form was no more dangerous than the flu unless you were overweight or really old. If through their artifice and greed they have put the conditions in place (vaccines, masks, no natural herd immunity) to actually create a mutation of the virus that really is deadly and ends up killing millions even if its friends or family that refused to listen, I am going to have a hard time feeling any sympathy for them.
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Jesjohn: Thanks. I had no idea the numbers were so high.

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Researchers are currently testing 83 vaccines in clinical trials on humans, and 23 have reached the final stages of testing. At least 77 preclinical vaccines are under active investigation in animals.

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Imagine 1984 with mysterious injections your entire life starting as an infant. You never really know what is in the injection and you are never sure which injection is going to kill you.

The CDC, Dr Fauci, and congress created the anti-vaxxers by destroying the people's confidence in the vaccines. Giving the manufacturers liability protection was a huge mistake. As long as the manufacturers and government officials feel they can get away with murder I won't be consenting to any injections.


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my only disagreement with Karl regarding ADE is that presentation might more closely mirror the natural cycle of corona viruses. Much like we only get a bad flu every so many years for a variety of known reasons, this might work the same way. Actually, if we did our science honestly, we have an opportunity to discover that serious flu outbreaks my be concurrent with other circulating viruses such as the corona type.

Years ago there was an open discussion in the medical community making it to mass media in a big way that most people who have "the flu" really do not have the flu but something else with similar symptoms. testing for the flu was started to collect useful data. one wonders where these bio samples reside and if still useful. Guess where i am going.

Note regarding people who were vexxed. I am also seeing behavioral, probably mostly energy, changes in people weeks after final or the single shot. They look much worse. We nicknamed one guy dead-man-walking.

Where i think that ADE could be hidden is that many people who avoided the vexxing through fraud will of course continue the lie that they took it and are ok. Add in some middle-aged other explanation for death and even blaming another flu, and it could be covered. Young, healthy people dying would have to be explained as another flu, even bio attack.

If the ADE deaths are slow or only auto-immune disease, then there will be some great governmental settlement much like the administration of the 911 victim payouts. It is the fast death scenario that will bring problems.

I think that there will be a lot of payoffs to families if people start dying and with full participation of the medical care personnel to cover.

Knew a lot of the attorneys working with people in the victim's compensation fund for 911. They all said that people fear being broke more than being dead. If as Karl has said, a cop sees his fellow officers and perhaps spouse die from the vaccine that he also took, he might not go postal but rather petition to be taken care of for life. so many did this after 911 with all of their medical problems. These folks got life medical care free and stipends and settlements of various types. This is even done for residents of the area of the contamination.

We also see how people reacted to religious institutions when they and their children were molested. I have not seen the great fires in the distance from their retribution. No, people took the financial angle of which i have first hand knowledge of how much liquidation actually occurred to settle things.

The mass negative reaction to ADE will only occur if it is a severe, large and short time frame death wave. It must be fast enough that functional services break down and people live with not only fear but the results in a personal way. Think like not being able to dispose of dead people efficiently and severe understaffing of law enforcement and even necessities of life. The everyone goes home only occurs when they have no other option. In its absence, people will adapt and demand to be part of some palliative welfare scheme to protect their longterm personal interest or compensate for the loss of family and in many cases the support which came from that person.

Many people involved with the 911 compensation and the religious institutions settlements described feeling "dirty" after it was all over. Would remind them that fire is cleansing in the physical and for the spirit, however none took up on the offer.

Speed kills they say.

If ADE goes fast, society gets killed. If ADE drags out, it gets costly.

Sadly, people can be bought, and the government has endless ways to do it.

EDIT ADDITIONS: Just have to add this regarding all of the mask bull**** and risks from things triggering autoimmune reactions. During the 911 disaster cleanup the *******s in the medical world and government downplayed the risks of exposure leading to many people being seriously injured with life long health problems, some of them autoimmune.

When i was in the area i practically wore a Vorlon Encounter Suit. Got a lot of push-back from people administering things there. Did not let my people anywhere near there without full gear and decontamination. Told not a few cops, contractors, garbage men and firefighters, etc. that i could take a few telephones, computers, urinals and some human guts and use an industrial grinder to make them a daily smoothie for their health or how about ending the day by "doing a line" of fluorescent light bulbs, gypsum board, concrete and electronic components that i would grind to a powder for them.

Yet, we need masks for this bull**** and are playing Russian roulette with people's autoimmune system.

Prediction: one day there will be a massive compensation fund for those who were injured by the Vexxing. Unless if we get a mass event quickly, then money will not really matter much. Do you practice cannibalism? Might have to.


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While the risk of autoimmune trouble from conventional adjuvants is well-known it's also rare. Not vanishingly so, but rare nonetheless, and far more-so than the risk of permanent disability or death from the vaccinated-against disease in a healthy person. Therefore, on the math, most of the modern vaccines are reasonable risks -- but should NEVER be mandated for that exact reason; they are not, as is true for ALL drugs, completely safe.

As I've pointed out repeatedly my daughter got (at my behest) nearly all of the "recommended" vaccines for this very reason. Chicken pox is one I would have refused EXCEPT every other douchebag parent has said "yes" to it. Chicken pox has roughly the same risk profile in a kid as does Covid-19. It's not worth it. HOWEVER, Chicken Pox is about 25x as dangerous if you don't get it until you're an adult. At 25x the risk the shot, which is extremely safe, is worth the risk. Incidentally the number of deaths associated with said Chicken Pox vaccine over the last year numbers something like TWO.

Yes, TWO, and ******n near every kid born in America today is given it. Statistically speaking neither the virus or vaccine kills any kids but, on the data, the vaccine is less dangerous (by about an order of magnitude) than the virus in a child, so IMHO it's a "sure, go ahead" sort of thing since the risk if you're older is a LOT higher.

Measles and mumps are the same thing; both can cause serious damage. The vaccines are materially safe, by more than an order of magnitude, and thus are a good risk. That doesn't someone doesn't get hammered by the shot; they do, once in a while.

How many are "once in a while"? For ALL of the MMR vaccines given last year the total number of associated deaths number..... SIX.

SIX!

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