Tickerguy
208k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-08-31 09:30:27
I was VERY, VERY concerned @Whitehat when this started that you were going to get narrow, spike-based, mis-matched B-cell induction in which case the damage would be permanent and, if the virus evolved to be enhanced by that mismatch you were ****ed and there was nothing we could do about it.
The Israeli data along with the study out of Cleveland Clinic on reinfection has convinced me otherwise. The latter I absolutely trust because it was NOT based on PCR testing but rather on clinical illness and, since among their staff members, was likely close to 100% reliable in terms of segregation between "yes and no" on who actually had the virus. Between those two it is CLEAR that natural infection DOES induce B-cell recall, it is extremely broad and durable -- and may be lifetime. It probably is against severe outcomes, provided you're not immune-compromised. This is why OC43 RARELY kills anyone these days, but it killed a ****-ton of people in the 1890s. The virus is still there and is still mutating -- but you're not dying from it until and unless you're immune-system-****ed, and then occasionally people do.
The Israeli data fully explains WHY the manufacturers set the dosing where they did and it also STRONGLY implies that B-cell induction does NOT take place from the jabs. Between those two things you DO take a hideous risk as the titers wane from the jab, BUT the risk also wanes. If you DID get B-cell induction from them it would not and the risk of being screwed would be permanent.
On the data, it isn't.
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