According to updates on this post - and commenters within whom know folks in the medical industry - it appears the not-vaxxed are getting covid - and other things
one example - #35 from curlytop - "The wheels are falling off the Medical System bus already! Talk w people you know who work in ERs. I am acquainted w people in 3 different states in the Southeast in small, midsized, and large hospitals. All state that the ERs are full of, in their words not mine, "sudden weird stuff" for the past few months. They ALL say the common denominator is the Not Vax. One was specific and said lots of strokes and cardiac issues. "
Yet you simply *WILL NOT* hear from any official sources the numbers of not-vaxxed and those who have not had it at all...
Funny, Mrs. Frat's ER is slammed, but not with "weird" stuff. It's the usual: narcotics seekers, people whose lazy docs told them to come in rather than treating them themselves, and Maria and Jose using the ER as a general practitioner's office.
No Tin here, nothing crazy, just basic human stupidity.
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We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
If what I just read on Vox's blog and in here is correct, I'm wondering just how long can they keep this charade going? It seems to be the first cracks are already appearing in the dam.
And what is it with these "republicans" (McConnell and the like) suddenly shilling for the vaccines. All of this obsession on the part of the political class simply reinforces the instincts in myself and others to avoid these vaccinations like the plague.
I'm not sure where curlytop is, but where I'm at (615 area code) we have been hit by a HARD, HARD wave of RSV. Jabbed and unjabbed. In mid-summer in the South, that ain't common. My family got hit a few weeks ago and it wasn't fun (not life threatening or anything but when the whole family is sick boom boom boom it sucks). It was being blamed, even on the local news, on the lack of kids being in school to build up immunity.
@Abelardlindsey - I was expecting fall to early-winter before it all blew up in their faces, just on the math. Now I'm not so sure we make it another month; it appears that..
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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
@Georgi--on the Novavax, Vice (for whatever that's worth, not much) says the Novavax also injects the "harmless" spike protein (it just doesn't turn you into a spike protein factory):
Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
Question for the knowledgeable: do preventative protocols such as ivermectin or quinine inhibit the body's ability to foster its own immunity, such as T-cell recognition? Or, do such protocols merely assist the body's mechanisms? Put another way, do they work alongside the body's mechanisms, or do they do the work for the body, thereby possibly weakening its response?
@ Nadavegan: I don't know about covid, but I do not believe repeat infection has been demonstrated (not for lack of trying).
This is hypothesized to be a potential problem with some infections. Resolution without treatment confers (possibly transient) immunity in a way that resolution with treatment does not.
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Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
@Frat "using the ER as a general practitioner's office"
It has amazed me for as far back as the obamacare debate that so many use an ER for anything! It makes me think that these reported upticks at hospitals are nothing more than zombiefied idiots doing their usual and who think they have coof and hospitals automatically coding as such.
The politicians are controlled. If they are told to sell injections they sell injections. Anybody who trusts Mitch McConnell deserves the ass whooping they are going to get.
Looking at the data on Worldometer for what it is worth, looks like a few countries are starting to spike again, following a trend seen last year about this time. Deaths however are lower though showing slight rise. There is increased jabs but not a very high % of the populace. Mexico for example is on a noticeable rise with a strong signal, even if the reported data is contaminated. Now take the data with a spoonful of salt, as we know pcr is bogus when run at high cycle count. US data is rising slightly, and most unvaxx not getting tested until symptoms. US death so far rise is noise, but let's look at this around end of august again to see if there is a signal in that data(cases and deaths).
Yep. A lot of Christians think they are going to be raptured away before things get too bad. That teaching (the rapture) was never part of two thousand years of the Christian faith ...
But why not. A footnote in the Scofield Bible does the trick for me. /sarc off
There is so much misinformation, disinformation and outright propoganda, that it is hard to sort through what is true and what isn't. I am waiting and watching to see how things unfold.
Here's a head scratcher. Just out of curiosity I had looked to see what Dr. Andrew Weil has to say about the vaccine. He's a pretty popular Dr. that preaches and has made a name for himself on natural remedies and supposed distrust of pharmaceutical companies and the "standard" western medical cartel. There he is on his website recommending the vaccine (quite awhile back). There's even a picture of him getting the Pfizer jab. You'd think he would of at least had some skepticism about it and done more research on everything before jumping on the bandwagon right away. WTF.
Serious question. I have an aquaintance that will lose his university job if he doesn't get the jab. Does anyone know of any legal precedent to fight this? I told him to make them fire him, and don't quit, and damn sure don't get the jab. Several members of his household have had the coof and recovered. He tested negative for antibodies, so I figured he has cross immunity. I wish the purveyors of this poison didn't have immunity.
@Erroldo -- Two things you mentioned: The Mexico spike...could it be due to the influx of people from other countries? Now I don't like or rely on Fucknews's Tucker "Frat daddy douchebag" Carlson but he has been revealing things all of us here have known for many months; but at least he is. Caught his program via a bitchute channel this morning about the immigration and them coming from all over the place; including Africa. Thoughts anyone?
Second thing: Why the fuck are people who haven't taken the death stab bothering with getting a test?? Sure some may be forced to do so but to your comment regarding symptoms and then go take the bullshit test? So assbackwards and puzzling to me.
For the few of us in Alabama.... Seen our idiot bought and paid for (ALL are really) Kay Ivey is now damning the undeathstabbed due to the states lowest percentage of deathstabbing. She actually says to begin blaming us for the bullshit (imo) rise in cases. Ugh x a million!
There just isn't anywhere safe now and it will only get worse in the coming months. I will remain steadfast on my no fucking way to the deathstab. I sincerely hope more continue to do so too.
What are your thoughts on the best way to acquire natural immunity? I worry about mounting pressure to vaccinate that may be somewhat ameliorated by evidence of natural immunity. More importantly, the tail risks of mass immunization with non-sterilizing immunity are pretty scary. We are now seeing all the important signs: seasonally unusual degrees of transmission, reports of extremely low cycle counts among the vaccinated despite absence of any symptoms, and apparent efficacy at preventing hospitalization and death. Now it may be true that Delta is also less virulent, as the data from South Korea where not many people are vaccinated and cases are going up but people are not dying more suggests this. But if we keep this up, I think it is eventually certain that there will eventually be the transmission of a mutation that is naturally unfit, therefore an actual risk to the unvaccinated and maybe even not-recently-vaccinated. The flu shot doesn't work, but at least it really doesn't work. Not only is it unlikely to stop infection, but it's unlikely to help you much if you get infected, and it's unlikely to harm you much either.
My position has been that the certainty of the vaccine is worse than the certainty of the virus, and the certainty of the vaccine is certainly worse than the uncertainty of the virus, but the virus being an unnaturally weaponized bioweapon with evident neurological symptoms even among some healthy people -- along with the difficulty of obtaining demonstrably effective treatments without careful planning -- was still better to avoid. Better to avoid unlike a variety of other diseases which do not kill healthy people and enhance longlasting immunity against a complex of future disease; acquiring infection against which is indeed at least a minor social obligation to promote general immunity and protect the vulnerable.
But I worry about the incubation of what-ought-to-be unfit mutations, and getting over the social pressure would be a nice bonus. What are the calculations that go into a deliberate viral challenge? Thoughts:
1. Obviously want to prepare with treatments known to be effective, but if Ivermectin is as prophylactic as it is suggested to be do not want that to get in the way of developing longlasting T cell immunity.
2. Want to get natural infection, in a natural way. Meaning: seems like it could be risky to expose oneself to lots of sick or superspreading people shedding tons of virus. We know from peer-reviewed studies that dose dependence is a thing, and exposure to higher doses can sometimes lead to more serious disease. And serious disease provoked by exposure to a high dose of virus may have the same problem as the vaccine, including dysfunctional response to spike and correspondingly high antibody titers to the same, and whole point of natural infection is to avoid that.
3. The prior point is a relevant risk because in all likelihood if I acquired the infection randomly and without trying, everything is likely to work as we see in the wild. But if I am actively trying to get an infection, am apt to do something that exacerbates exposure. This would be easy to do if we lived in a country that respected medical freedom, as there would be knowledgeable professionals to help.
Immune system is such a nonlinear thing that I have little confidence in my ability to judge what is happening. For example, one risk of my proposal is I have already been infected, and if I have already been infected then I am immune against almost all normally infectious exposure, but have a heightened and deleterious response to the dosage of exposure that could actually elicit reinfection: and this could either be because prior infection dramatically raises the threshold of such a dose but does not change the severity of disease much beyond that point; or it could be because natural infection results in a susceptibility to ADE at higher doses, which is fine unless you do something unnatural like try to chase infection or receive a vaccination.
There are other nonlinearities I'm probably not thinking of, but the described nonlinearities are not really an order-of-magnitude more fantastic than things we very well know. For example the cat coronavirus vaccine in the 1990s did result in the vaccinated cats dying when they were later reinfected. But it actually prevented disease and may even have been sterilizing for the first several months. Maybe it was 9 months before you saw anything bad. Or with RSV, where the vaccine was harmful unless it was also useless due to immunity from prior infection. Or with the Sanofi Dengue vaccine, except there the infection itself is bad for future infection, and the vaccine may have actually been helpful for the previously infected.
And what is it with these "republicans" (McConnell and the like) suddenly shilling for the vaccines.
McConnell is just another money whore for Big Pharma's campaign cash. The same holds true for almost every congresscritter. They survive on the cash splashed out by these mega donors.
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"The higher I go, the crookeder it gets." --Michael Corleone
@Disgusted -- I'd say TPTB crossed nearly every I and dotted those T's in preparation for all this horseshit. This would include going after any natural healing, homeopathic, etc. and paying them off to carry the lie. I'm confident there are also a lot of controlled opposition members in that camp.
It has been difficult for all of us critical thinkers to effectively disseminate these last year and half but the shitstorm coming this winter hopefully will provide distinct avenues of correct info.
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