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Lemonaid 18k posts, incept 2008-01-20
2021-07-25 07:45:57

Fraudci is not going anywhere.

These ghouls need him to implement their pasport infrastructure.

Any outsider in his place could de-rail the ultimate goal.

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Jc3 631 posts, incept 2020-03-02
2021-07-25 07:46:24

@Susanlauren: He's 80 and sometimes "some people did something" happens.

Taiwan friends indicate things are "going through the roof" over there which had me scratching my head b/c they'd done a great job for most of this insanity. Out of curiosity, I pulled their vax rate chart and put it next to their case rate chart. What The Front Door!!!??? Should I believe my lying eyes or should we blame this on the unvexxed too?
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Kareninca 659 posts, incept 2011-08-23
2021-07-25 07:46:30

This was posted further down the thread today at Naked Capitalism, by the same physician who is a long-term poster:

IM Doc
July 24, 2021 at 12:13 pm
For several weeks dating back to mid May I was seeing groups of fully vaccinated patients becoming positive but asymptomatic. Most of these situations arose because one member of the family or group was found to be positive because of foreign travel or having surgery or whatever.

As this became more and more common I began to be very concerned about what the future may hold. And the Health Department and CDC were just ambivalent.

The guidance of the local health department was to ignore this they are vaccinated there is no way they can spread, etc.. Just as the CDC guidance was telling them to do. I do not much like to have armed nuclear warheads sitting around, and I am very persistent so I ordered the contact tracing on my own every close family member or close contact was checked. And to my absolute horror large clusters of them were positive. But at that time, they were asymptomatic- almost every single one. I have been dutifully reporting these numbers to Yves and Lambert for weeks.

Then about a month ago something changed. People were then starting to become ill and come to clinical attention that way. There were no longer just the asymptomatic patients. And again on my own ordered the contact tracing and found the same thing. Multiple vaccinated family members positive. Multiple bridge group members positive. Multiple church members positive, etc etc. And lately socials around the July 4th weekend were also clustered. At that point in time there was no one sick enough to be in the hospital. But the vaccinated positives were clearly more ill than the unvaccinated positives. Heavier coughs, more SOB, more febrile. This included even the younger ones among them. But again no one sick enough to be hospitalized.

And then this week we have had a seismic shift. We have admitted multiple very ill vaccinated patients two of which were critically ill. At the same time we are admitting unvaccinated patients as well. Some of them too are now very ill. We have had deaths this week all of those patients were unvaccinated. But I am not holding my breath we now have two critically ill vaccinated patients that I am not sure are going to make it. I do not have the best handle on these situations this week because I am in quarantine. But right at this minute we have more COVID patients in the hospital since January and it is right at 50/50 vaccinated/unvaccinated and I would say they are equally ill.

It has been fascinating to watch this very orderly step up in severity over time. And then this week the bottom dropped out. And I live in a very vaccinated county the paper reported this AM a 72% vaccination rate. The only stragglers were the 12-18 group which is below 50. The herd immunity concept is certainly not working here. And the local medical folks are just horrified that this is getting this bad after working so hard for this really good vaccination rate. It is reminding me greatly of the ramp up we had last summer it is almost the same in every way except it got much worse much quicker. I am hoping it will burn out but not looking like that so far.

I will share something else. I have a very small limited patient size I am in a small town. But I am very attentive to media reports of numbers from other locations. Big cities and big sample sizes give perspective. When I heard last weekend that there were ZERO vaccinated patients in the hospitals in LA I grew immediately concerned because that was not our experience at all It is basically a WHAT HAVE WE DONE WRONG MOMENT.So I called three of my old students who are now on the front lines in the LA area to the one the response was I have not a clue what they are talking about that is just not true. Among the three of them the averages they were seeing were about 75% 85% unvaccinated in the hospital and all had had very ill vaccinated patients. I did not feel so bad then. But My God, the media cannot be trusted with a single god-damn thing. I have never seen such a bunch of liars in my lifetime. It is a real tragedy when we need them the most they are doing propaganda. And do not even get me started on the Health Dept people who are misleading the population like this.

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Quantum 1k posts, incept 2021-05-18
2021-07-25 07:51:02

@Kareninca: Thanks for posting the EID link. Although the sample is small, at a minimum this shows there's no evidence in these results for any vaccine benefit in terms of preventing infection. Although the positivity rate in the vaccinated is lower in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated (15/25 vs. 3/4), the CIs overlap quite a bit and are wide. Both are surprisingly high, though--but underlying susceptibility could vary regionally around the world.


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Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
Somerando 16 posts, incept 2021-07-02
2021-07-25 07:51:04

Hi @Kareninca - the link is broken. Could you please repost if possible? Thx
Quantum 1k posts, incept 2021-05-18
2021-07-25 08:39:32

@Kareninca: Thanks for the doc's follow-up post. That looks like a very grim trend for the vaccinated.

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Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
Jules 1k posts, incept 2009-04-18
2021-07-25 08:39:52

Thank you, @Kareninca. Seems that getting things right from the horse's mouth - so to speak - is the only way to get info. Certainly our own gov and msm cannot be trusted anymore.
Quick fwiw anecdote: met up with 12-13 people from my guy's car club Friday nite. Don't know the jab status of everyone but three of them, two nurses & one commercial pilot, all jabbed, said they had been deathly ill for the past couple weeks with upper respiratory probs. Not hospitalized but very sick. They swore it wasn't the coof...

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Dnomsed 435 posts, incept 2021-05-18
2021-07-25 08:39:59

@Jc3
Taiwan

Typically around 1-2 months after the Fauci junk-jabs a rapid rise in pcr-test case counts, and deaths, is observed. Pretty much over most of the world now. Dr McCullough mentions a critical point above around 25% national vaccination.
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-07-25 10:16:32

@Jc3. Obviously you are to disregard your own lying eyes and blame the unvaxxed. /sarc. That was a brilliant idea to overlay the two charts. A picture is worth a thousand words.

@Thelazer. It would appear that being friends with Hillary is not exactly conducive to a long life. Many of her friends have become downright suicidal.

@Kareninca. I appreciate the ancedotal info from the physician commenter. I believe him over the public health and media reports. So basically the vaxxed are (at least initially) asymptomatic super spreaders who will infect both the vaxxed and unvaxxed. We are seeing the tip of an iceberg. No one knows how large it is under the surface of the water. He sounds like a great doctor. What he is describing is very bad news.
Erroldo 691 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2021-07-25 10:16:44

Not sure what is the cause, but almost every state's data is showing the beginning of a rise in the coof. Within the next 4 weeks we will see. With more than 1/2 the country having 1 jab, how do you explain this? If this continue, no way can us un jabbed be blame, No matter how much the media tries to do that, a good part of the vaxxed populace will not believe it.
Edwardteach 407 posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-07-25 10:43:52

"Herd immunity"?!? Fuck me, how in HELL does anyone in their right mind think that you can get "herd immunity" from a non-sterilizing pseudo-vaccine?

Oh the herd is going to get immune alright, but now we're going to do it the HARD WAY and it's going to be handicapped by everyone who took the Coof shot.
...or maybe we'll get there faster now because it's going to burn through them really quickly.
Maybe that was their plan.

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Maddmaxx 1k posts, incept 2021-05-31
2021-07-25 10:45:54

The KareninCA post exemplifies my realization these last couple of days that the big driver of infections now will be the asymptomatic vaccinated people. The image of those old Guinness commercials springs into my mind: BRILLIANT. Whereas before asymptomatic spread wasn't a thing, a real thing, anyway, it will be now. And yet so many scream to add us to that group.
Maddmaxx 1k posts, incept 2021-05-31
2021-07-25 10:45:59

@Erroldo, hope you're right but wouldn't necessarily count on it.
Dnomsed 435 posts, incept 2021-05-18
2021-07-25 12:38:55

Cv19 peaks in 6 month cycles in South Africa. Even though they tried lockdowns, much of the country is rural and would not have bothered. Their junk-jab rollout has also been slow. This may represent what a fairly free virus expression could look like.

Some other countries seem to moving towards a seasonal pattern as well. The US may end up this way. Worldometers suggests a July-Aug-Sept wave, hopefully of low magnitude. Probably a bit less than your annual flu peak?

US annual influenza and pneumonia average figures around 66,211 deaths.

If your front line doctors are left to treat outpatients, and keep them away from the hospitals, then the death counts can hopefully be normal, or less.

The lockdowns and vaccinations have moved the virus peaks around, but once they back off, then a seasonal trend will probably establish itself. Like every other circulating corona virus throughout history.




Kareninca 659 posts, incept 2011-08-23
2021-07-25 12:39:00

hi Somerando - here is the link again: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/404.html?aspxe.... It definitely works for me now, but here is the abstract, so you can find if if there is a problem:

CDC Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Emerging Infectious Diseases

Volume 27, Number 10October 2021

Dispatch

Breakthrough Infections of SARS-CoV-2 Gamma Variant in Fully Vaccinated Gold Miners, French Guiana, 2021
Abstract
An outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 caused by the Gamma variant of concern infected 24/44 (55%) employees of a gold mine in French Guiana (87% symptomatic, no severe forms). The attack rate was 60% (15/25) among fully vaccinated miners and 75% (3/4) among unvaccinated miners without a history of infection.
Heartlander 3k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2021-07-25 14:05:59

@Dnomsed

I adore Dr. McCullough. Do you have a link for that 25% vaccination comment? I've done a Qwant search, but can't find that.
Auldsnu 82 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2021-07-25 14:06:08

Somebody please enlighten me, how can a vaccine that only confers non-sterilising immunity be said to be confering immunity AT ALL? My supposition is that it is supposed to be confering immunity only against serious illness and death, but that certainly is not the notion abroad in the culture. Maybe I am wrong, but most of the vaxxed and the propagandists (journalists, governors, HR) for it believe that like every other vaccine, it is confering sterilizing immunity. In other words, if you are innoculated with this stuff, you are a) completely immune, i.e. you cannot get the disease and b) cannot spread it.

Approaching all this strictly from the standpoint of persuasive rhetoric, for myself I have been using the "covid19 vaccines are dangerous" argument vis a vis blood clots especially. Of course, this is right, but it is not enough to be right. We have to be persuasive, and personally I think the "vaccine is not even a vaccine" argument is far easier to understand and to successfully articulate to a non-STEM public, i.e. most people. It is, for one thing, astonishing, and secondly, it is infuriating. That's the point at which to say that besides not conferring real immunity, this nothingburger appears besides to be a significant health threat in terms of blood clots etc.

"Okay, I understand that you really want to get the shot, but why? It doesn't protect you either from getting Covid or from spreading it."

"WHAT??!!"

"That's right, and none of the health authorities claim that it does, though they are alright with leaving the impression that it does. No, the claim is only that it will mitigate symptoms if you do get it and that you will not die of it. However, recent developments are starting to show that even this is not certain."

Besides that, when discussing this with the vaxxed whom I have come to consider as not long for this world, I feel very uncomfortable alerting them to the fact that they may very well be full of mini-bloodclots. Yet, while they live, they can still be a force for good, so merely alerting them to what is the actual declared scope of their vaccination may help put them in the anti-vax camp.

This is my non-STEM understanding of the situation. I realize this comment may cause some significant eye-rolling, but my interest is in getting this info out to the general public vis a vis letters to the editor and so forth and I want a) to be absolutely sure of my footing b) to exploit what developments there may be that will be persuasive for the average bloke.

I did, btw, hand deliver that letter to the archbishop to his chancery. Thank you to several here for helpful advice, of which I need more.


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Omegapoint 214 posts, incept 2020-12-26
2021-07-25 14:06:47

My bet is the rise in cases that is happening now follows the ssame pattern as last summer, we'll peak in August and be done with it the first of October, if I'm remembering last year's trend correctly. Then we'll see another pick up in December following last winter's trend. It will be interesting to see the percentage of "vaccinated" people that get reinfected and hospitalized this winter. My bet is that it will be high number that the MSM and health "experts" won't easily be able to explain away.
Ktrosper 6k posts, incept 2010-04-06
2021-07-25 14:06:54

Ro wrote..
Most of the remaining unvaccinated, judging from those that I know, would not accurately be described as "hesitant."

Totally agree.
I'd describe them more on the "NO! AND FUCK YOU! MAKE ME MF'ER!!!" side of the spectrum.

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Kokobeware 568 posts, incept 2010-05-04
2021-07-25 14:17:03

@ omega ... if emerging evidence that suggests that the jabs inhibit our proper immune response, then the jabbed (both previously infected or not infected) will continue to test positive over and over again. And, their health will likely get worse and worse. This is a S@#$STORM.
Somerando 16 posts, incept 2021-07-02
2021-07-25 14:51:03

Thanks @Kareninca. It looks like the posted link inserted some 404 text string into the URL ( eid/404.html?aspxerrorpath=/ ). By removing that string and the "." at the end from the URL, it will resolve to the article.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/....

Maudite 1k posts, incept 2009-01-21
2021-07-25 14:51:17

@Auldsnu "Somebody please enlighten me, how can a vaccine that only confers non-sterilising immunity be said to be confering immunity AT ALL?"

It does sort of but not for long if I am reading Karls ticker correctly.

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akc....

"at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity."


I have seen a researher from the Crick Institute state that the non-neutralizing AB's out strip the neutralizing AB's 5 to 6 fold.

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Mlund73 20 posts, incept 2011-08-05
2021-07-25 15:24:28

With all of the new cases with vaxxed, and then they are the cause of even more cases, both vaxxed and unvaxxed. Are we all at a potential risk for Mareks like situation where without the jab we will be at more risk than with the jab over time?
Tsherry 15k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2021-07-25 15:24:34

Quote: Most of the remaining unvaccinated, judging from those that I know, would not accurately be described as "hesitant.

"Pardon me while I hesitate a moment, and finish loading up this AR." (magazine clicks within the well, and the charging handle is cycled).

"Uh...."

(rifle is raised to shoulder position at a proper socially-distanced range of six feet) "Now, what were you saying?"

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Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-07-25 16:28:34

@Auldsnu. A couple of people I know who got the jabb and vaxx did so with the full understanding that it would lessen the severity of the illness. They would not become as sick if they were to become ill with COVID. They knew they could still get sick and they knew they could transmit the virus to others. That (lessened severity of illness) was good enough for them.

These folks are now spouting the need to get booster shots on a regular basis. That, too, apparently is just fine by them. Of course, all of this new science turns everything we have ever known about vaccines and immunology on its head, but say what, it's 2021 and this is brand new technology. Shake my head.

The question of "what's the point then?" did not even phase them. There is no logic, reasoning and/or critical thinking to be found. I let it go.

At this point, I am not going to tell my jabbed friends about the nasty consequences of the vaxx. There apparently is nothing that can be done to reverse the effects. I view these folks as not long for this world. If I have to say anything, it will be along the lines of "unfortunately the vaxx doesn't work against the evolving mutations and variants" and "I am so very sorry you are sick." "Is there anything I can do to help?" Then I will go home and take my prophylactic mix of vitamins and supplements. What else is to be said?

Finally, with respect to the letter you sent to your Archbishop, I hope you get the response you hope for. I was wrong to project my negativity, disillusionment and past "less than stellar experiences" with the leaders of the Catholic Church. For the sake of those you are striving to protect, I hope your Archbishop does the right thing. I wish you all the very best in your endeavors.
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