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Lemonaid
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The risk to reward is not there. They can see behind the curtain. Because that's where they are.

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Uwe
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It seems that spike proteins attached to a dead virus would be almost as bead as naked spike protein?

My theory is that with a dead virus vaccine, or even a naked protein vaccine like Novovax, the amount of spike protein you're getting is a known quantity. Could it still be dangerous? Perhaps; people are different and their reactions to a foreign substance varies.

But contrast this to the currently available shots, which all use either mRNA or an adenovirus vector to trick your own cells into producing the spike protein. This makes things rather more unpredictable, both in terms of just how much spike protein a person is exposed to, and perhaps even more importantly, exactly which cells in the body produce it.


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"Corona Virus will come and go, but government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of everyone's life; to control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table, church pew, and even whether you are allowed to leave your house.
Rickylc
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ummm, India?
Tickerguy
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@Rickylc - ummmm... what about it?

It's a virus. It stops when it runs out of people. They attempted to vaccinate into an epidemic and got ****ed in the ass, which is the expected outcome.

A couple of provinces started handing out Ivermectin instead. In less than one week, which incidentally was the timeline I predicted it would take for it to work here and stop the virus, it did. Cases rolled over and came down HARD. In a neighboring province where they instead relied on Remdesivir and the stabs they could get cases and deaths continue to climb.

It's not that hard, but apparently lying is even easier.

Why is it that Witless hasn't had this shoved up HER ass until she could taste it at this point?

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Rickylc
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That's my point Karl, the dead virus vex's didn't work out so well there.
Omegapoint
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@Tickerguy

I didn't know you had these other posts "hiding" in the "CLICK for what THE MEDIA does NOT want published". I wish I had known that sooner, it's going to take several days to read the posts I didn't know about but I'm looking forward to it. Why are they "hidden" there?

Also, why is it not wise to vaccinate into an epidemic?
Lemonaid
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For one it takes quite a bit a time to build an antibody titre.

In the interim you've ****ed your natural immunity.

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@Omegapoint - Nobody will permit advertising of any sort associated with Covid facts. You can only run "approved" messages related to it, whether it be treatments or vaccines.

Thus there were two choices, really: Stop all advertising, permanently, which means even the small amount of revenue generated (basically enough to pay for the SSL certificates, hosting and a small amount of replacement hardware on this end for backup purposes and similar) AND force Sarah's stuff off my pages as well (as they'd come after HER too) or do this. They can't bitch now because the ads never appear on those articles. The problem with blacking them out just for those articles on the main page (which I can do, and is easy) is that then the "newspaper" front page format, which displays multiple articles on the top, can't include those at all, and they wind up basically "off the page entirely."

This was the best answer under the circumstances.

As for vaccinating into an active epidemic all vaccines temporarily redirect the immune system while they build the antibody titer and thus suppress response during that window to any disease. In addition an insufficient titer can result in enhanced infection and frequently does, so getting infected within that period of time can be catastrophically bad for the poor bastard who has it happen to them. We've known this for decades, which is why we don't wait for the measles to show up before giving kids the measles vaccine; stabbing them in the middle of an outbreak could be catastrophic, as measles kills about 1-2/1,000 people who get it. Taking that infection immediately after being vaccinated could easily double the death rate or more.

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Omegapoint
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@Tickerguy

Thanks for both explanations.

Regarding vaccines during an epidemic, do these types of bad outcomes happen each year during flu season when tens of millions are getting flu vaccines? I suspect not, at least not in significant numbers (but maybe they are a significant number of the tens of thousands that die from the flu every year...?).

If not, is it because most people already have some level of immunity to the flu? I know you've cited studies where up to 81% of the population may have some level of immunity to Covid. So if this level of immunity is true, shouldn't we expect that the bad outcome of vaccinating into an epidemic in this case won't actually occur?
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Yes they do @Omegapoint, which is why they recommend getting the shot in October BEFORE the flu season really gets going.

You wait for the middle of winter and you may well get ****ed. The thing with the flu shot is that they have to guess what will be prevalent the next year AND a lot of people have resistance (exactly as they do with Covid) because strains come around again.

If you have some existing immunity (and as I've pointed out 80% do) then for THOSE people they probably still have a decent amount of protection -- but for them the shot was wasted anyway. However, if you're in the 20% and get infected during that antibody build time you may well be ****ed and done.

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Omegapoint
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Thanks for the explanation @Tickerguy.

Interesting graph and data on hospitalizations among 50 to 64 year olds.

For several months I've been skeptical that the lower number of Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are due to the so-called "vaccines". These were all trending down before the first "vaccine" was administered. I've seen other graphs showing similar seasonal trends from last year leading me to speculate that perhaps the drop isn't due to the "vaccines". However, if you listen to anyone in the MSM, they automatically claim that the drops are due to the "vaccines" and they all declare that the "vaccines" are a great success. There isn't even a hint of a little skepticism.

Maybe the "vaccines" are as effective as their manufacturers claim, maybe not but I think it is safe to say that some level of natural immunity was already present in people, probably anywhere between 40% to 80%. I think the reason for the drops are 1) there is seasonality to Covid and 2) it has just run out of hosts (for now).
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