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Jjharris 36 posts, incept 2009-03-30
2023-01-15 09:22:52

I love this post. It applies to me and the advice given at the end of it is just gold. Thank you Karl for sharing your wisdom. You are a good man. Cheers.

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Do it all or dont do it at all.
Jjharris 36 posts, incept 2009-03-30
2023-01-15 09:22:58

@jacksparrow


Im sorry to read what I just read. With all due respect your son can fuck off and if it was me in your shoes Id personally authentically/genuinely hold the belief that whoever that person is, isnt my son and hasnt been since he took the shot(s).

I know many would say may he come around and pray for him but to be honest, my opinion, these fucks are soulless entities who are irrational and filled with rage when a trigger word is momentarily heard.

I say its ok to move on. I know that is incredibly difficult for some (most), and thats ok if you dont move on right away. Just know from one guys opinion located in shitcommunistbag California, that I say its ok to move on and cut all ties to whoever treats you with such focus on trashing who you are and what you believe in.


A scene from a movie that comes to mind if I had the opportunity to speak to your son:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a0x6vIAtFc....

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Do it all or dont do it at all.
Tsdj86 57 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-15 09:23:13

It's ok to have differing opinions on the fake card issue, and for some it's easy to cast judgment on those difficult choices.

Back when this shitshow was in full scale implementation mode many had to make life and death decisions to survive and feed their families.

I was extremely lucky because I'm old with no babies to feed, outlandish mortgage payments to make, zero car payments, ect. I can fully empathize with those who had to make that freaking degusting life altering decision.

Sure a "HARD NO" under optimum conditions would be the first choice to fight these demented freaks, but life doesn't work that way. Sometimes you need to live to fight another day.

I just don't think it's a black or white issue with so many horrible dynamics in play at the time. Peoples backs were to the wall with a inhumane set of circumstances with complete deranged psychopaths actively dictating life and death by destroying peoples lives through coercion and force.

Just my 2 cents

Tsdj86 57 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-15 09:23:36

@Jacksparrow,

Really sad to hear the divide between you and your son. The Malthusian globalist have completely screwed our children's brains beyond belief.

The communist brainwashing control factories (Universities) just want obedient, unthinking, hive minded worker-bee's that go along to get along and propagate the party line with the collectivist woke indoctrination.

I said it before, the most intelligent among the populations generally come up with these schemes and those same high IQ people are generally very complicit with these diabolical schemes.
Xoph 2 posts, incept 2022-07-28
2023-01-15 09:23:41

I'm the only member of my immediate family unvexxed. The issues with the vex are common knowledge, but still not public. No one really is discussing them.

Why are the 20 and 30 somethings not out with pitch forks and torches? At least start demanding data on fertility and cancer.

What happens when people like me, the family crazy who remained unvexxed loose everyone? I'm old enough I have to sit on the porch and watch, but I suspect the trials will be skipped and capital punishment accelerated.

I belong to a volunteer organization that highly pressured members to get vexxed, most are >60. I have not seen a lot of impact from the vex. On the other hand I watched the CDC all cause mortality data jump up when COVID started and again when the vexxes started(Data since revised). How subtle is this? Is the real killer going to be clots, cancer, infertility or a broken immune system? Can it be all to increase confusion and muddy the waters? 3% is a small percentage and many people can write the deaths off to bad luck. In a few years it is the new normal. That's my worry.

And who did we select for? Critical thinkers with trust issues. This doesn't seem to be what TPTB would want if this were intentional. If I were culling the herd I'd want the sheeple left to be blindly obedient, not stubborn and distrustful. Too many contradictions, which I believe is the point.
Workerbee 5k posts, incept 2009-03-18
2023-01-15 09:25:41

@jacksparrow sorry about your son.
Similar situation with my daughter.
Sucks monkey balls.

What I learned during this oppressive time is that I am not weak, I am strong.
I did not cave, I did not cower, I did not give up, give in or compromise my integrity.

Finding strength and putting it all on the line is the most empowering thing I've ever done.
There is no question in my own mind who I am. You cannot buy that self respect, it's a gift you earn and give to yourself.

I have a DH that said unequivocally we would live in a cardboard box before he'd see me vaxxed, and he meant it.
I am the higher paid breadwinner, so a cardboard box wasn't out of the realm of possibility.
His job was mandating the jab at that time as well.
At one point I asked my folks if we lost the house, could they be our soft landing until we get back on our feet.
My boss asked me what I would do if fired, I told her I would flip burgers if need be, I have done it before.

One pt early on asked if I was vaxxed, and I replied no. He went off on me saying that I and those like me would be responsible for this never ending.
He's warm and friendly to me now, lmfaoo.
HR came out with a policy days later that staff should not divulge vaxx status as it might make pts uncomfortable.
So now I cannot even brag about resisting tyranny and coercion (but I do in my own way).

I hate the shit show we've all endured.
But I am grateful to find how strong I really am.
And thankful beyond words for Karl and so many of you hear that listened to my angst and gave me encouragement.

Those that didn't stand: well, if you hedge your bets you tend to ignore any line in the sand. Must suck to not stand for what you believe.
What's worse than that inner turmoil is the effect it has on those around you.
I resent the hell outta many that tried to coerce and bully me, but nowadays I smile and enjoy life. The staff that caved sure don't smile as much, their attitude is pretty sullen, and I won't even mention the physical damages that have appeared. In our medical clinic, no one got a fake vaxx card.
You can't fake the side effects I've witnessed.

If you didn't find your line here, what happens if the come for your guns?

This wasn't a test, it was real life and those that didn't stand up against tyranny are, in fact, playing Russian roulette on a daily basis.

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'Keep pushing fuckers, you'll find the trip wire eventually'
~ Quik49

'This is the part where you find out who you are'
Psmcd 58 posts, incept 2014-01-10
2023-01-15 11:33:08

Thanks to all for this discussion. I think a blog I read recently contributes:

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/toward....

I'm pondering life's challenge to compromise without becoming compromised.
Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-01-15 11:33:14

Whitehat

Well said sir, well said!

Too many cry about their 'difficult' choice. They obviously don't understand what a difficult choice really is.

Maybe too many realized they aren't the producers they believe themselves to be. They continually suck corporate cock to afford living in a home too large with debts larger. They're afraid to tell their abusers to fuck off because they'll face the ugly reality they really aren't necessary.

Yes, it does suck going against the mob. It sucks not having dozens of shallow friends to discuss meaningless television shows with while drinking designer cocktails.

I think of the many who complain loudly about media and data companies yet pay these abusers to lie to them, brainwash their children while secretly raping their pets(while you're sleeping Fido is getting fked by Facebook)

I'll sit in a little patch of trees on the mountainside where the view of the monkeys throwing poo at one another is good but far enough away I'm not getting splattered in their war of stupidity.

I would feel worse if I thought Americans were worth feeling bad for.

After years and years of middle east war mongering crap which helped how many former hippy's retirements grow? Americans wallowed in their greatness smugly thinking karma wouldn't find them.

People didn't do anything except complain and lose homes during the 2008 financial crapfest.

I was actually surprised during covid finding out just how pussified people are. I'm even more disappointed in homo sapein sapiens now. Sigh!

I really enjoy the Ticker. I just find it amusing how many are complaining about the smell while sitting amongst piles of their own shit.


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The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-01-15 11:33:46

If you lie about a vax card, what else do you lie about?

Turns out my job was never in danger after the OSHA mandate was overturned, but I thought long and hard about how to best go about remaining pure.

A religious exemption is simply begging for the right to exercise the first amendment. Instead of answering stupid, disingenuous questions, I would simply state my right to a religious accommodation and if they refused, give them the finger and walk. I could not compromise my principles and suck abuser dick.

It never came up, bullet dodged.

I don't blame or look down on other people for jumping through the religious exemption hoops. Everybody has to live their own life.

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Sportsball Team A: 3 Sportsball Team B: 3
Clot Shot: 0
Mikeyjm2 111 posts, incept 2011-10-20
2023-01-15 11:36:29

Whitehat wrote..
If this is a hard decision, how are we supposed to handle the really hard ones in terms of righting the culture. They are coming.


That is a really good point. I'll be honest and admit that for a brief period I did consider going the fake card route. I had the .pdf downloaded and ready to go, but then it started to bug me in the back of my mind. Did I really want to be that guy who lacked the moral character to do the right thing, even knowing it could have a personal cost to me? I came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth having to live with that, so I didn't. It changes how I view these sort of decisions going forward though, so in an odd way, perhaps I'm a better person now than I was then for having had to wrestle with that dilemma. And I think you're right. There are going to be hard times coming and to weather those we will all certainly need moral character.
Budxr7 135 posts, incept 2009-07-08
2023-01-15 11:50:11

I get that faking the vax card only made things more difficult on the rest of us objectors. But I get it too. I was fortunate enough to not have to choose between my job and the vax. I am trying to provide a good life for my children and save for retirement. Im not so lucky that this will take me less than the typical 45 yrs. I also didnt give a shit about going to a bar or movie theater though. Im not sure its a good analogy but would anybody here blame a German Jew for changing their identity in the 1930/40s?

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Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
-Polonius
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 11:52:34

That's a worthless analogy @Budxr7.

Roughly 12 years back everyone had a front-row seat for what happens to you when you stretch yourself out economically and have insufficient reserves to meet your lifestyle requirements -- and then something bad happens.

Something bad always happens!

Ticker on this tomorrow..... there is a lesson in here and THIS TIME it cost a lot of people their health. The problem is that anyone who put themselves in that position has nobody to blame but themselves because this was NOT an uncommon thing -- only the FORM of event was different.

Well, big shock, historically it usually IS different than the last one.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Budxr7 135 posts, incept 2009-07-08
2023-01-15 12:11:46

Its a poor analogy because one was certain death? Thats the argument I would make but is that your point as well?

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Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
-Polonius
Methylmoonshine 2 posts, incept 2023-01-15
2023-01-15 12:12:00

In reading the discussion about faking the vexx cards, I can't help but think that it is a variant on the Prisoner's Dilemma. One has to make a decision as to whether to cooperate with your fellow unvexxed with the notion that solidarity provides greater resistance. Or you fake the vex card to protect yourself because you think others are going to do the same (or get the shot)--effectively hanging you out to dry. As with the PD, each person is mostly kept in the dark so they have no idea whether the other unvexxed prisoners will capitulate. It was therefore no surprise that officials were wildly inflating the vaccination rate numbers to help make the unvexxed feel more isolated. They were intentionally setting up this dilemma the same reason that police interview suspects separately, because they knew that if there was better communication between the unvexxed, that prisoner solidarity would ultimately win.


Johndoe 10 posts, incept 2022-12-08
2023-01-15 12:28:40

Quote:
I wish I could be as positive as this Ticker but I am not, for several reasons.

[snip]

2) Nationwide. The amount of unrest this realization will cause is going to be immense and we are likely to lose critical workers in multiple critical industries that we can't afford to lose. Older experienced workers tend to know how things work better than the younger ones, and those elders are the ones most likely to get vaxxed. How well are things going to run without capable nuke plant operators, for instance?

3) Medical. The strain on the health care system is going to be catastrophic when all the health problems come fully into bloom. Combine this with the widespread vax mandates which will likely have messed up many doctors and nurses and you're talking near ELE. Will the unvaxxed medical staff want to come back to work for the organizations that fired them over it? I doubt it.


Where I am (in Europe) the vaccination rate (at least one dose) is almost 96% in the age group 20-29. Accounting for fakers and having seen and talked to people, I really believe the vaccination rate could be above 90%. Add to that the dying young athletes in the news and this leaves you with a bunch of young sick couch potatoes -- this is going to have a worse impact than World War II on demographics. Speaking about which, Europe has open borders and another demographic problem in the making.

In the long run, things will get better but "long" might be decades. I appreciate every minute of electricity and plumbing.
Johndoe 10 posts, incept 2022-12-08
2023-01-15 12:36:04

Quote:
In reading the discussion about faking the vexx cards, I can't help but think that it is a variant on the Prisoner's Dilemma.


Some countries started vaccinating early and quickly (like Israel) and those countries started talking about a third dose in the first half of 2021. At that time some places still had vaccine prioritization in effect. By then you knew that compliance would not get you anywhere except to dose three, four, and five. The vaccination passports fakers are as useless as any gullible vaccinated John Doe.

This applies even if children were involved. They need to be raised for many years and you might to drop dead as a parent 12 months after receiving the experimental shot because that shot was only tested for six months or because the government might end up forcing the shot on children -- which they did.

August 2021: "Israel redefining immunization as third dose of vaccine becomes widely available"

https://en.mercopress.com/2021/08/30/isr....
Beignet 2k posts, incept 2008-05-16
2023-01-15 12:36:34

https://voxday.net/2023/01/14/the-fauci-....

VOX said some wonderful things about you and a great meme. Check it out.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 12:37:00

smiley

I like it.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Xoph60 1 posts, incept 2023-01-15
2023-01-15 13:19:16

I'm the only member of my immediate family unvexxed. The issues with the vex are common knowledge, but still not public. No one really is discussing them.

Why are the 20 and 30 somethings not out with pitch forks and torches? At least start demanding data on fertility and cancer.

What happens when people like me, the family crazy who remained unvexxed loose everyone? I'm old enough I have to sit on the porch and watch, but I suspect the trials will be skipped and capital punishment accelerated.

I belong to a volunteer organization that highly pressured members to get vexxed, most are >60. I have not seen a lot of impact from the vex. On the other hand I watched the CDC all cause mortality data jump up when COVID started and again when the vexxes started(Data since revised). How subtle is this? Is the real killer going to be clots, cancer, infertility or a broken immune system? Can it be all to increase confusion and muddy the waters? 3% is a small percentage and many people can write the deaths off to bad luck. In a few years it is the new normal. That's my worry.

And who did we select for? Critical thinkers with trust issues. This doesn't seem to be what TPTB would want if this were intentional. If I were culling the herd I'd want the sheeple left to be blindly obedient, not stubborn and distrustful. Too many contradictions, which I believe is the point.
Inline
Workerbee 5k posts, incept 2009-03-18
2023-01-15 13:19:28

Awesome
Inline

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'Keep pushing fuckers, you'll find the trip wire eventually'
~ Quik49

'This is the part where you find out who you are'
Ib0 50 posts, incept 2022-02-23
2023-01-15 13:19:43

If it was a win, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best.

Asimov 141k posts, incept 2007-08-26
2023-01-15 13:19:46

Beignet: Excellent! Thank you!

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-01-15 13:29:27

Thank you @Boredfree -- i get where you are coming from, however there is a difference. Your freedom to choose from what you have related to us here is from eschewing certain obligations or perhaps dropping out. I was faced with economic totality events for character based decisions a few times in life, the later two after having taken on the significant obligations of family. None were due to my tenuous health and the early one was during formative career years. These events were due to living my morals and could have been avoided by "playing along". Here is the rub. The damage was far worse than what it would have been if COVID-BS had forced me to walk or get myself terminated under the same family obligation conditions. To me, this COVID-BS thing as a family man would have been nothing even if it was a close the doors event.

People had ample options and opportunity to pool resources with like minded family and even friends. I have a close personal friend who totally lost his legal career in mid-life, will never be able to get back into the profession, had children in university, mortgage on his home, etc. His children came back to live with him in his cramped city home, he sold everything he could, liquidated all of his few small investments, and after trading his nicer car (really nice) for a beat-up old Toyota sedan, worked food delivery nearly round the clock to not be homeless or not meet his mortgage obligations and start wrecking his credit by not paying bills. His wife, the high-end admin somewhere else afflicted with stupid, now works in a kitchen. They were close to going to live with his parents. This is just one example.

I disagree a little bit with Karl as to the suck leading to some good things later in this case or in general. Before he published this was going to write something in The Bar, but then deleted it as i was bored with the concept. Two reasons why i respectfully disagree.

The only way to deal with suck is to consider that suck just is, not a means to an end. My second point will find this concept useful. Suck can be life in general for a lot of people and situations, and one might never know anything but. However, there is a contentment if not joy. Just being here is also where one was meant to be. Perhaps in that suck one might help another on his journey even though at the moment it seems so trivial or not even apparent. We are here to do something, and perhaps it is just one small thing. Simply going about life in the everyday challenges might be what makes it all work. Every moment of consciousness is a gift, even if for but a moment. No matter where one is living or how, we can all appreciate the same beauty in the sky or anywhere else for that matter.

A lot of people who are free of this particular challenge and others past and to come really have no idea of what true misery and privation is in having to make hard decisions. These are things which i know from my youth. You have no idea what absolute desperation is and how you will be tested for your decisions. Try hunger and cold on for size, really hungry and cold, really. I already know what i am like, what i will not compromise no matter the pain as well as those close to me. Do you? Have you learned to control yourself while afraid?

Another part of the suck, the second point, is that suck often does not end. I do not see things turning around for this country in my lifetime as a possibility with reasonable probability. I get it; this was once a financial and investing blog. The core routines are still there buried in the system long after Karl converted the intelligence and analysis to a more activist intention. But, like birth sex, for a variety of reasons, not the least the membership, it is what it is.

People are thinking about the reasonable possibility that after some hardship and buying opportunities the shit will be flushed out of the system, and things might get productive again. It took us sixty years to get here. We gonna fix it in ten. I have my doubts. And, what about all of the people raised in the old system and still to be around in ten or twenty years? They gonna have a come to Jesus moment? Every person forty years old or less goes back to school to learn either trade work or academics at the same level of sixty years ago?

Sure you can purchase a business at the bottom where "some fool paid to outfit it and buy all of the equipment and fittings" where you get it for pennies on the dollar. Ok wildman, what happens if you have to sit on that fucking thing for ten or more years, lower than barely scraping by as the rest of the economy and then consumer trends will not drive your business the forty percent over the carrying costs. Oh, and BTW, you still have to eat. One of Whitehat's little rules for my firm's clients was that the person selling something already knows how little it is worth. Do you? I cannot begin to tell you how many things were purchased by clients and others who consulted with me where the market was never coming back, trends were changing, the time window for profit was grossly underestimated, and they would get to fight inflation during the carrying period. And BTW, people have to eat and live indoors during the carrying period. Where does that money come from? Now you want to fight deflation?

This second point is that outside of COVID-BS major changes were coming to our world and economic system, most not good. All that this crisis did was allow some to score easy cash, others to position themselves and justify a lot of things, and it amplified and accelerated the process of everything bad already going on, everything which includes non-monetary stuff.

I am not going to go into what i think fixes this aspect of the suck as it is too long and too far off topic. It is moral, ethical and within our system, just a commitment thing. There is a takeaway.

Look at how you are living and might even be this level needs to be cut back. This is the rest of your life, and probably those after you. Why not make it the best that it can be no matter how miserable? You might have great business maven skills or investoyuppie street cred, great. Can you live with never using these gifts and not become a bitter, angry and disappointed person? I know what it is like to have massive gifts and never get to develop or use them. Already been there, not better than you, merely a lot of paces farther down the path.

Can you take what you are and what little you might have and make peace with it?

Perhaps your gifts can in some way without you knowing it help another to get through the day. Start simply, because that might be all that there is left for you.

Be prepared for the possibility.

Happiness is not getting what you want. It is wanting what you get.


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smiley Je souhaite

Quod tu es, ego fui, quod ego sum, tu eris
Nelstomlinson 822 posts, incept 2011-12-21
2023-01-15 13:32:07

Quote:
As with the PD, each person is mostly kept in the dark ...

In the group of ~30 I worked with, we talked about it, and I think very few buckled. Probably almost half got !vaxxed, mostly because they are boomers who blindly trust government and doctors. A few buckled under the strain and got it against their will. The rest of us called Biden's bluff, and he finally folded.

I think it helped a lot that most of us knew we were in it together.

I read folks the OSHA rules on religious exemptions, and everyone who required an exemption from the corp got it quickly. It helped that the local management never pushed it, and tried to work around Biden's mandate as best they could. Not a lot of hatred for management there now, because management tried to shield us instead of trying to kill us.
Scotbarber 172 posts, incept 2021-09-04
2023-01-15 15:03:58

Great ticker @Karl
I feel like a winner
Refused all this from the start(helped having a professional relative and your diamond princess data) which led to me refusing to wear a mask,vaxx etc. Forced me to make the jump to working for myself from home,which meant I could be there for my wife slowly dying from Huntingtons, plus an emotional buffer for my kids.
Had me filled with pride when my then 12 year old daughter told her teachers how badly she would hurt them if they even tried to force a mask on her.
I'm no hero,nor are my family. But realising my family had the backbone to say "fuck off" to this,mean it,then have my back when I told them things would be tight for a year or two,made my realise I was rich in a way money could never compete with.
Thanks for this post,was timely and has helped me look at things in a different light.
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