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Rporth 126 posts, incept 2016-09-28
2022-09-01 13:01:14

It's a religion. the psyop has worked and worked well unfortunately. I went from ND to Texas to visit stepdad and mom (stepdad developed "sudden" stage 4 cancer very soon after his quaccine - I tried to warn them).

He's done with chemo and riding it out. Fine, his choice. Mom is aging out and starting to get dementia - so patient repetition is a thing.

I attempted to have a discussion with my sister, a recent retired school teacher whom simply *CANNOT* believe the medical establishment would do what I was stating to her (proofs from here and other places).

Turned into a pretty animated discussion - when I casually asked if teachers should teach students *HOW* to think and not *WHAT* to think - that sent her over the edge - very pissed at me.

I provided evidence to her on masks, VAERS db, stuff from here - she wouldn't even look at it.

Did not believe people - young athletes, kids have died from the vaccine. I stated there's evidence if you actually look.

She said she's seen nothing on TV..... eye rolls.

It's a religion - people simply cannot change their mind based off objective fact.

Her argument coming back to me was "well, that's YOUR truth" - to whit I said "truth is truth, their is no 'ownership' of truth - truth by definition is truth".

Her response was - you guessed it "well that's YOUR truth".

just wow.
Kokobeware 568 posts, incept 2010-05-04
2022-09-01 13:01:38

KD, you make good points. Although the source was from the NY Post. Goldman may know that the city is going to do a 180. Who the F knows? GS is ALWAYS ahead of the curve, though. When the Treasury announced they'd be getting rid of the 30 year (turned out to be false) GS was massively long and made a fortune. I certainly wouldn't take a bet here, but cracks are certainly forming in the mandate dam.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-01 13:02:22

I don't give a shit @Kokobeware, even the NY Post noted that Goldman is FUCKING LYING because NY Shitty still has their indoor mandate.

You had to read more than the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE to see it, but they DID print it.

I already handed out one strike here for running that shit and will be happy to hand out a bunch more.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."

Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-09-01 13:06:47

@ocdawg ... Exactly. My epiphany was deeply disturbing to say the least. Yes. I suspect it is the tip of the iceberg. My thought was "omg, this is a modern day killing field." What makes it even worse is that every single administrator and the vast majority of the health care staff think they are doing the right thing by these kids. After all, the vaxx and the boosters are recommended by the CDC, NIH, your family MD and every public health institution across the country. I am the crazy conspiracy theorist and nonconformist. My bad. A friend asked me how we should deal with this crazy situation. My answer: "out live them."
Bzelbob 501 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2022-09-01 13:17:35

Our society's problem isn't a lack of information.
It's too much information and the natural human trait of confirmation bias: we gravitate towards information which reaffirms our beliefs.

Bingo! It's not lack of information, but an excess of foolishness.
How many people have we all tried to talk to, just to get them to question what they are being told?

Too many simply don't want to think for themselves and take the responsibility that goes with that.
This is what we're living with in many areas of life.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." - Proverbs 1:7

"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Goldbrick 7k posts, incept 2008-01-23
2022-09-01 13:17:53

There must be public executions of everyone who approved these lethal injections, and that includes the politicians who turned a blind eye to the mass murder that took place.


"The higher I go, the crookeder it gets." --Michael Corleone
Veeger 2k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2022-09-01 13:29:45


I also think that being the cowards they are, most Drs, corporations, orgs, etc are touting the Get Vaccinated line because they THINK/HOPE that its defensible as being the Safe, Cautious or Right thing to do.

What they dont realize (YET) is that once the collective consciousness is awakened, they will be seen to have done the absolute Worst thing. They will be seen to have ignored the cautions, the laws and the evidence.

Being Safe, isnt always Safe.

(One can hope anyway)

I remember the Diamond Princess.

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Grf 1k posts, incept 2008-12-08
2022-09-01 13:32:11

if its catastrophic and threatens the survival of humanity we will have to hunt down and kill millions of people -- or more.

Mein Gott. I never thought about this. Imagine that the injection causes a recessive gene in billions of the injected that does something that significantly reduces fitness of their children, say, something that puts us on track to have 80% of babies born on the entire planet having Down Syndrome. We cannot afford to support that level of useless people. Simply cannot. What do we do?

"Every time we on TF talk about God and gays, God frees a banker and gives him a bonus." --me
"Your farts are interstate commerce and if they want to stick a muffler up your ass they will do it." --B
Raven 17k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-09-01 14:09:26

@Susanlauren -- "Yes. I suspect it is the tip of the iceberg."

You are correct in more ways than one. To paraphrase the late Ed Koch, Mayor of New York City, this is not the first time that they did this, rather the first time so many people know the horror of what they do.

Secondly, you are correct in that this has the potential to be an unveiling, an Armageddon by literal and figurative meaning, of all the skullduggery and complicity in the past.

In any institution one of the best ways to catch a thief or find corruption's true depth is to keep letting it happen as the effects and machinations become even more obvious.

They have done things before large and small scale, and the truth is going to come out.

The damage will be worse than the injury, and those responsible know it, whistling past the graveyard and getting numerous stays of the inevitable execution with their doubling down if only to draw another breath.

Do not fear the physical issues or some dark fantasy that the next generations could be carriers of something which changes humanity negatively.

Be concerned that the truth will be too much to bear as silent witnesses become not so silent anymore.
Chemman 481 posts, incept 2021-05-03
2022-09-01 14:14:29

@dingleberry: "My best guess is no more than 30% of the originally jabbed, but I may be giving too much credit to the (m)asses."

They're going to sell it as the annual flu vaccine. It will contain 3 or 4 strains of the most likely to be circulating flues and the Wuhan and B.5 for corona. They have been predicting "bad" flu season so lots of sheep will go to be sheered.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-01 14:16:29

They can't do that @Chemman -- at least not legally.

The "updated" jab is still EUA (legally it has to be, because you can't "license" something with 8 mice as the only trial) and you also can't license a derivative with material changes without full trials and data either, and they did make material changes (not just to the encoding.)

What they ARE trying to do is replace the flu shot (grown in chicken eggs) with an mRNA replacement, at which point they COULD put Covid encoding into it along with whatever else. I don't have a clue what the REAL pathway to that is, but by God if they do it you'd be an idiot to ever take a flu jab again.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Raven 17k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-09-01 14:36:30

Karl, a greater concern over the Flu shot or any vaccine for that matter is that one can no longer trust the label.

Imagine if those in charge conjure an internal lie, perhaps based in a truth, that there is a threat so severe that the people need to be long term treated for it, however they cannot reveal the threat for whatever reasons. Only after some indeterminate period will the people be grateful when the truth comes out from what those in secret protected them.

So many egos in the process will be convinced that they are doing a mission of good that there will be many layers of buy-in frustrating any efforts to peel the onion until it takes on a life of its own where the key players are literally unknown up and down the levels of power from the highest to interested outsider.

This is how it works, and why some knew that something like this was bound to happen. Be cautious when finding supposed truths regarding something like this as it is easier to hide lies between truths.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-01 14:37:21

Exactly @Whitehat.

Given what we now KNOW the military did, and its now proved FACT by their own admission in FOIA responses, the label no longer means anything.

There is no punishment other than literal capital punishment for everyone involved that can restore that trust -- and that list list is EXTREMELY long in both the private and public sectors.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."

Raven 17k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-09-01 14:48:07

The problem here is that the past is our enemy. This has happened before which makes it possible that the label thing has already been done. People have not just learned to be corrupt and unaccountable.

How does one punish so many complicit and those who directly know? Answer, one does not except for a few examples while the other lies continue and new ones are started.

This is if society survives the truth. The truth is oftentimes as dangerous as the lie.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-01 14:48:18


"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Kennington 457 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2022-09-01 14:49:41

@Whitehat....bullseye brother!!! You nailed it. Karl, you always nail it as well, love your work!!!!!!
Cmoledor 3k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-09-01 15:54:22

In between the velvet lies, theres a truth as hard as steel. Ronnie James Dio. RIP

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Its a big club and we aint in it. But we damn sure pay the dues. Rangeishot
God will NOT help anyone. Prayer is only worthwhile as a boost to
Disgusted 590 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2022-09-01 15:54:27

I agree that the list is extremely looong. What has to happen is like any other massive fraud and evil shit in history. You start at the top with the most evil and the ones that profited the most from the fraud and work your way down. Guess which POS I think should be the very first cocksucker that needs to be tried and publicly executed?
Abelardlindsey 2k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-01 15:54:31

Karl, a greater concern over the Flu shot or any vaccine for that matter is that one can no longer trust the label.

What is this label thing? Are they now mislabeling vaccines on purpose? That is, one could go in for a flu shot and they give you a different shot even though it says "flu shot" on the label? Is this what you are saying? I would think that would be totally illegal, not to mention its a complete violation of informed consent.

Its all in the mitochondria.

Its the future're not.
Ingar 764 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2022-09-01 15:54:39

Prior to Bill Clinton, OTC's were the only drugs advertised in the lay press and on the airwaves, except for scripted meds advertised in professional journals. That advertising revenue has bought the complicity of the press as yes men for big pharma, so we can't expect any real journalism from the MSM.

It's about time for an independent film maker to make a horror movie of corona-jabbed gene mutants and their progeny run amok in society like the spate of 1950's radiation caused monsters terrorizing America. Such a film would likely bear a closer semblance to reality than the 1950's horror movies, so the government would probably not allow it.
Nickdanger 2k posts, incept 2011-06-12
2022-09-01 16:39:17

I will never trust another vaccination, ever.

I haven't taken the flu shot in probably 20+ years, so doubtful I'll ever take another unless I'm in a nursing facility and forced. I did take the first of the 2-shot series for pneumonia before the covid crap, but will not trust the 2nd one to be what it is supposed to be. I guess I'll just have to take my chances.

I'll also never take the shingles series. A friend's husband had taken them about 3 years ago. He also took the 2 original covid shots. Not only did he get a case of the shingles after each shot, he has had shingles 5 TIMES since he was jabbed.

-- I'm in the control group

-- In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong.
Querant 926 posts, incept 2021-09-19
2022-09-01 16:39:27


The truth is oftentimes as dangerous as the lie.

A few days ago someone posted here (sorry I don't know which forum) a link to a paper, "Information Hazards: A Typology of Potential Harms from Knowledge," by Nick Bostrom. I am still working my way through it, but it is fascinating and relevant to your observation. In case anyone wants to dive deeper:
Dan_e 195 posts, incept 2009-06-23
2022-09-01 16:39:32

Software update makes sense, you usually skip the x.0 version until they've ironed out the bugs. Too bad they don't read the bug reports..
Chromehill 1k posts, incept 2010-03-03
2022-09-01 16:39:37

The truth shall set you free, no matter how dangerous it is. We need to know the truth.

Any talk of hanging the Jab damages around Orange man's neck just went out the window with Biden's FDA giving approval to this based upon the results of 8 mice. That is all Orange man has to point too. The Dems keep missing the off ramp on the Covid turnpike.

One of my job responsibilities is reviewing software test plans. No matter how simple the change, if the software changes, it requires a comprehensive test plan and results. There is no such thing as a minor change in a complex system and we don't assume it will work.

8 mice!!!! They truly are demonic. As Steve Deace says, "What is the benign, innoncent explantion" for approving this based upon 8 mice. There is none. I am starting to come around too, they really do want to kill a lot of people or at least reduce the population one way or another. I think we are beyond greed and not wanting to admit they made a mistake. If it was the latter, they would just have said we have to live with Covid.

Xi must be smiling right now at the eventual demise of the west, without firing a shot.

'Power, like the reproductive muscle, longs to be exercised, often without judgement or right' - Gerry Spence

"Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers
Stkpnw 48 posts, incept 2021-11-29
2022-09-01 16:39:57

I am going to send this Ticker on the customer satisfaction survey that my clinics overlords recently sent out. Definitely not satisfied, will not be returning as I do not trust them. The Gov in WA has doubled down on vax / booster mandates and has made health care nearly impossible. But then again we all know who were the ones lining up for this poison and the are starting to drop. Just like Karl has discussed , the 2-5 year time frame is starting to look punishing for the covidians. Hell just found out one of my former coworkers dropped dead last weekend. He always claimed that they have given out billions of doses worldwide and folks are not dying. Well hmmmm.
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