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Mosaik
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Thanks so much for this analysis and explanatory narrative.

Even with the latter, I am in the "****ing hit with a rail road tie" group.

Hard for me to follow even the "English" explanation.

Are you speculating that the production process of these jabs is too hard to control, and so different lots have different characteristics? Such as different density of spikes? Or the spikes themselves are different?

Are all lots the same size/number of jabs? is there a record of which geographical regions got which lots?

Also, what about the business about temperature they must be kept at. If some of them were mishandled, could that affect the quality of the jabs? either degrade it (less efficacious but maybe fewer AVs), or improve the efficacy (but maybe more AVs)?

Color me glad I am unjabbed. There is no way that is going to change unless I can get a standard type of vaccine. Even then I would be leery. This whole thing stinks now, and I don't think I trust anyone wielding a needle at this point.
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@Tickerguy,
"The best-fit hypothesis is that there is no way to control manufacturing at-scale when the product causes the body to produce a pathogenic thing via a biological process."

OK, this makes perfect sense to me.
We are all different! Our physiologies have different capacities. People have different vulnerabilities to . . . everything. There is no way to predict for sure who will succumb to a certain disease, or who will survive an extreme situation such as extreme thirst. Look at the snafus with "modeling" (covid and climate). Perhaps some people even have a mutation that prevents them from responding to the code introduced. Whatever.

This assumption that the human body is like an internal-combustion engine and we understand everything about what makes it go---just turn the ignition key---is the same kind of hubris that wants to start "responsibly" discussing climate engineering at COP26. Playing games with the planet's life systems, and with humans' as well.
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Frieza wrote..
Though it's still possible that ALL of the lots cause subclinical damage...
My understanding from listening to the experts like McCullough, Malone, Pierre Kory, and a few others is that it is very likely that clotting is a normal byproduct of the process. In some people it manifests itself as micro-clotting at only the capillary level while with others it causes severe clotting at a macro level.

The only hope we have for those who agreed to get the vax is that they only have the micro clotting adverse event and as such, will only suffer from whatever it is that micro-clotting causes (I haven't researched this but obviously, it would be better to be micro-clot-free, right?).

If everyone gets some level of clotting effect from these vax shots (and this is now my default position) then when asked about my vaccine status, I'll just say "I'm clot free, how about you?"

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@joancrawford...regarding your faux vax card...and to all readers...I am active in the employee benefits field, which means I work closely with HR folks and try to stay on top of HR related legislation and trends. Be advised that UNUM, along with other insurers and background check firms are offering or simply adding the vax verification as part of their service to HR. Faux cards will start to get flagged...but what employers are doing these checks, I cannot say.

Just FYI yall

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@Karl

Could one get power law distributions like the one you observed via other phenomena? Early lots being used more and thus having higher numbers of deaths?

Without a denominator its hard to show causality, no?

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This is a very good way to get regular people interested in the manufacturing process, since most people focus mainly on what applies to them personally, alas. Once it occurs to regular people that their shot came from a particular lot, and that they can see how people who were vaccinated from that lot fared, they will suddenly wish to find out more.

I have an acquaintance who is almost paranoid enough who went in for the shot months ago. She saw that the lot number was obscured. She made a fuss until she was able to get the lot number. I thought at the time that this was ridiculous because there she was getting an essentially untested shot but wanted to write down what lot it was. Who cares at that point? Well, I suppose she was right; if you are going to have it done you should get what data you can even after the fact.

I know a lot of people who will want to know how their "lot" did. I just checked my husband's vaccination card and the lot number is on it. It's like a lottery!!!!!!! Or should we call it a "clottery"?????
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@Rporth need to find state by state data on 'jabs administered' and compare averse effects reported vs administered (and multiply by 42 for the adverse effects). everyone that really wanted to get jabbed was already jabbed by May/June. Everything they've done in the last 6 months has been to try to coerce people into doing it + also making extra shots that were available to people as 'boosters'


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Fdp wrote..
The only hope we have for those who agreed to get the vax is that they only have the micro clotting adverse event and as such, will only suffer from whatever it is that micro-clotting causes (I haven't researched this but obviously, it would be better to be micro-clot-free, right?).

Wild-covid does this too :(
Mild case of covid (2 days, day three felt about 100% - IVM/FLCCC protocol) still has my brain ****ed up. 9 months later I still feel it.

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Kareninca wrote..
It's like a lottery!!!!!!! Or should we call it a "clottery"?????
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Batch ER8736 administered on 4/23/21 (8 deaths reported). Batch EW0177 administered 5/14 (6 deaths reported). Minneapolis/Saint Paul Metro area, Minnesota.
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@Grf - No, because that's not how production at-scale works.

A "lot" in the pharmaceutical world (and most other process areas where this sort of thing matters -- like paint, for example) is what you produce with one group of ingredients used at one time in a process that can be tracked back to and limited to one group.

So let's say that before you fill the vials you can make 10,000 doses of vaccine from one group of reagents that go at a given time into a reactor vessel and is processed through to the endpoint, which is a machine that fills vials, puts stoppers in them, seals and labels them.

This is one lot. Then the device(s) used to do that are cleaned and the process is run again, and a DIFFERENT lot number is assigned.

You do it this way because if something goes wrong you need to be able to figure out what the scope of the problem might be so you can tell people "GET THAT **** OUT OF USE NOW!" and impact only that which you must have destroyed (and thus, in the real world, you have to eat cost-wise.)

For things like paint when you go to buy it ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE PAILS ARE IN THE SAME LOT. Why? Because there are small differences in coloration between them! If you suddenly cut between two lots in the middle of a room there's a decent chance once it dries you'll be able to see it!

If you have a process problem (e.g. the vat wasn't cleaned properly) you now can say "TOSS THIS ONE LOT NUMBER" and the rest are ok. If you have a reagent that went into three lots you can say "toss those three." And so on.

This is why you have lot numbers on pharmaceuticals including OTC, on many food items (grab a can out of your pantry and look; its there with along with the "best by" date), etc. You'll find lot numbers on all manner of things that are not individually serialized but where tracking a potential screw-up without having to recall EVERY item made is important if something is discovered later on.

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Filling out a Vaers report is a pain in the ass

Nobody is gonna flood the zone with fake reports
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It is also a federal offense to file a FALSE report.

There is no penalty, however, for NOT filing one that you're supposed to.

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Bakerv
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@Ktrosper "Wild-covid"

I prefer the term "Farm Raised-Covid".

Like Salmon.

Reason: style
Djloche
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we've seen lots of reports of employers and bosses that discourage reporting

we've seen lots of reports of woke idiots in the medical field saying even if they did see something, they wouldn't report it because they wouldnt want to be discouraging vaccination.

we've seen waves and waves of billions of dollars worth of propaganda conning otherwise smart people that if they're experiencing an adverse effect, that means the vaccine is working and normal.

even with all this, the number of reports and number of deaths this year have been significantly greater than all previously years


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Sam6
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Disclaimer: I have zero medical or bio warfare training.

How about this scenario made possible only with the active assistance of governments.

Assume
(1) some entity developed the covid virus as a bio-weapon..Thanks Fauci, NIH, Wuhan lab, etc.
(2) made more deadly viruses as kill shots. Wuhan lab, etc.
(3) made a vax to make sure that a subsequent exposure to the more virulent virus would induce an antibody response that would kill a vaxxed person.Pfizer, etc.

The perpetrator would want to test vax formulations to see which one produced maximum deaths when vaxxed people were exposed to that subsequent deadly virus.

How would he go about that test? To get maximum coverage of various people, he would have to
(1) spread each of the different formulations all over the place and jab millions of people. Done
(2) have a record of who received which vax variant. Donefor adults.
Kids are next. That is just getting started. Rinse and repeat.

How would he evaluate the test outcome? He would have to have access to the data that showed test results.
This part is under way but not complete. So far, breakthrough infections are coming along nicely in the vaxxed, but the winter sickness season has not yet come.

Assuming there is an adequate negative response in people for one of the vax variants, the next step is to use boosters to get that vax variant into enough people to make release of the virulent virus worthwhile from a warfare standpoint.

I hope Im wrong, but it looks like we are right in the middle of this, AND THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO STOP IT NOW.
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First post

I have been very concerned with the manufacturing issues after I read the European Medicine's Agency (EMA) Public assessment report on the Pfizer vaccine published in Dec 2020. The EMA delineated 5 Specific Obligations regarding manufacturing that were to be met by July 2021. Only 1 has been met.
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/a....
Search for SO1 SO2 SO3 SO4 and SO5 to get an idea
The truncated mRNA is especially problematical

Plus this report on Moderna and stainless steel particles should give you pause.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturi....
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Tangent topic:

Quote:
ACIP votes to unanimously approve Pfizer for ages 5 to 11

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Bakerv
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So, while it provides nothing more than milk money now, at one point it provided wine money, I have been a writer and I guess once a writer always a writer.

Writer of fiction. Lover of fiction. Rabid consumer of same.

This is to say I'm a fan of all things fiction and at times the more wild and fanciful the better although the sweet spot for me tends to be suspense and thrillers with a dash of a love affair with Ian Fleming thrown in to insure that spies and men and women who kill for a living are preferred genres.

I get the desire to read the Novel "Covid 19 the plot to destroy Mankind" and get balls deep into trying to navigate the plot twists that by my nature pull me towards doors that when open lead me into a giant room with a giant saltwater tank with a giant man-eating shark overseen by a fat German dude named Blofeld, or in the novel we are currently reviewing, a bug eyed **** wearing a sweater who cant code worth a ****.

Perhaps I'm just not thinking big enough but I just don't see how this works out to be some grand plan by some master villain or villains all sitting around a table figuring out how to **** humanity and wipe a goodly portion off the map and then enslave the remaining schlubs to do their nefarious bidding amongst the ruins and wreckage of an almost depopulated world.

No, I think this story involves a bunch of greedy ****s trying to make a buck at everyone's expense, except them of course, and ****ing it all up and hoping that their money and power and most importantly their powerful friends will look the other way when it turns to **** and they will retire to some sun-drenched beach where they will be earning twenty percent.

I do see a plot twist though in this one where the victims or those related to them actually figure out the whole nefarious undertaking and start lucrative catering business' and write best selling cook books all around the same theme...the tastiness and satisfaction of expertly processed and cooked long-pig.

I think I'm going to write a book.
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I can't argue with what is likely a probable outcome. Maybe I am misconstruing something, but some are suggesting that there is tweaking or potential tampering with the process. At this point, everything could be on the table, but remember that even if these lots were released for use under a set of "specifications" that is not the end of the story. Manufacturing should be an iterative process where you go back and assess your initial specifications in your design. There you would look for interaction of effects. I worked on a process where it was found that a time frame in processing at an initial capture step (call it step #3) severely impacted product yield at step #22. It was seemingly random and appeared to have multiple interactions. Was the initial step a critical step? No. But it was later. Dozens of runs in a row with no issue. Plant changed staffing allocations and things slowed down a little. 2 hours difference at step #3 (always maintained in "control" and there was no data to suggest/support that small a time impact as the material was held for many hours longer at smaller scale. But it was there. I guess my point is: there are SO many variables that are unknown even in what you would call "tightly controlled" process and no one has the time or money to find a and know all of them.....but this is precisely why it is an iterative process and clinical trial data should be scrutinized. From my manufacturing background I agree with the host. To see this across 3 separate products is a huge flare. Perhaps this is part of why some high FDA folks quit as any booster is potentially loaded gun. Could it be intentional? Maybe but it doesn't matter because it could also just as easily be the reality of rushing ANYTHING out to millions of people without the proper testing/assessment. Again the screaming FLARE is that no one appears to be even looking. Not so long ago an actress said vaccines cause autism. Right or wrong, people started looking at things. Fast forward: Dark times indeed.
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That's a question - Jansen uses a different technique to get the RNA into the victim's cells, but do they use the same technique as Pfizer and Moderna to create the RNA payload in the first place?

Pfizer & Moderna use nano particles to deliver fake mRNA into the cytoplasm. J&J uses fake DNA instead, which needs to enter the nucleus of the cell. The nano particles are destroyed in the cytolasm, so J&J delivers the fake DNA within an adenovirus, which is said to be harmless to humans.

Reason: spelling correction
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The jabs are completely safe and highly effective so zero chance of any of this information showing up in MSM.
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Wow, just wow.

I don't even know what to say. Clottery indeed, this is like some kind of ghoulish game show at this point. Bust a deal, face the wheel. See if your "lucky" number comes up...

Watched a video by Razorfist a little bit ago. Wasn't about the coof but it applies here. He said the point of propaganda isn't to get you to believe the BS, it's to demoralize you, make you feel alone and powerless. We're not alone. Keep spreading the word and *maybe* a critical mass of people can be convinced to THINK. At the very least the more and more evidence that piles up is helping to convince me I'm not a lunatic tin foil hatter.

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It seems like I remember reading an article about Moderna and a disease they tried to use mRNA on and the article said they had dosing issues that had to do with the lipids and how to little didn't cause an immune response and to much was poison. The article said that the difference was difficult to control and the vaccine didn't make it past trials.

I searched a bit but can't find it. But maybe that is what is happening here?
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