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Elkad 3k posts, incept 2009-09-04
2021-09-24 07:57:23


Your treatment list numbers 2&3 don't line up with your bullet points, and stuff is slightly out of order.

Supertruckertom 8k posts, incept 2010-11-07
2021-09-24 07:58:25

More information that can immediately save lives if given wider dissemination.

Sent study links to my extended family.

I showed seropositive for IgG last August.
I have no recollection of a bad illness only allergies.

What was I taking all Spring and through the Summer?

Vitamin D, C, Valsartan and....


Driving in the desert was wonderful, no allergies.

As soon as I got East of Midland TX my allergies would start to flare and by Louisiana it was horrible.

It stays in my travel bag.

Edit to add.
Thanks for the clarification Asimov.

As I memtioned in the bar, I had a Grandson test positive on Tuesday and he had been over at our home on Sunday.
Wife was feeling weak by Monday evening.
Everyone in the house hit a double dose of Ivermectin and the FLCC protocol apart from the Z pack and NAC. Wife also grabbed some of the above antihistamine as I keep multiple bottles on hand.

She is as I type this on her way to Kaiser to get tested at the parking lot drive through.
She had a telephone consultation Wednesday and got the Z Pack.
Stepdaughter has always had allergies and taken antihistamines.
Granddaughter (30 months) had a slight cough Tuesday.
Stepdaughter is getting tested also.

Will follow up with antibody tests in 6 weeks.

Preparing to go Hunting.

Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2021-09-24 07:58:15

I wonder if an albuterol inhaler would also help? Kid has one for rare asthma issues. Good to know we have another common drug we can use if we get it.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-09-24 07:58:01

It's a direct cut and paste out of the paper. I'll look at it later and see if I can clean it up a little bit.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Spitcher2 242 posts, incept 2018-05-17
2021-09-24 09:02:51

So many ways to nip this engineered cold in the bud. But will these all continue to be effective with the next round of spraying?

Constantbees 27 posts, incept 2021-08-01
2021-09-24 09:03:01

I had an outbreak of idiopathic hives that went on for over a year. I tried various things and eventually found cetirizine, which was the only thing that provided any relief at all. I read a lot online about suggested treatment for hives and found that doctors sometimes recommend taking up to 40mg a day. I slowly upped my intake to 40mg at one point, but felt a bit weird when I did so I cut back. I'm still alive, so the increased dosage wasn't that dangerous! I wouldn't hesitate to take 20mg a day. Of course, YMMV.

I've also read that you want to be careful about taking them long term since you could end up with hives like I had! I think that's true of other antihistamines, so I'd be careful about going on a long-term daily regimen.

Excellent, practical Ticker! Love it! Thanks so much!
Ceiii2000 561 posts, incept 2021-05-17
2021-09-24 09:03:38

EU Will Wait To Decide On Pfizer Boosters Due To Shortage Of Safety Data

What a great idea, you mean like the same "Shortage of Safety Data" there was/is about the original vex? Like the SoSD there is about mRNA technology? Or the SoSD about every single corona virus vaccine that has ever been tried?

Oh I know they are talking about the SoSD the same way as IVM, HCQ and evidently known safe allergy medicines and Zpacks. The latter my MIL lives on during winter because she gets pneumonia just about every year.
Bzelbob 500 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2021-09-24 09:03:58

@tickerguy - Awesome find!

I got the paper and noticed this quote right above the section you mentioned:
Regarding antihistamines, in recent years molecules with antihista-mine activity have been identified as having powerful antiviral prop-erties,
inhibiting the entry of certain viruses into the target cell, such as the Ebola virus (filovirus), or the hepatitis C virus (flavivirus), or by other mechanisms.
Several H1 receptor antagonists have demonstrated inhibitory properties on the production and expression of interleukins, chemokines, and other cytokines.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it suggests to me that common OTC drugs have way more potential benefits than suspected.
(In the same way non OTC Ivermectin/HCQ have proven to have.)

Remembering what you posted about Fauci and the AZT failure, this looks like the Medical (Dead-ical?) system is *intentionally* selecting for failure more often than not.

The scam is deep...

"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Microbesrus 32 posts, incept 2021-08-27
2021-09-24 09:04:32

Very interesting ticker. You can definitely imagine a number of possibilities for how each med could interfere with or perhaps decrease viral damage.

The antihistamines may interfere with viral attachment to receptor sites as mentioned above. Also by drying up secretions and allowing for better airway patency. Decreasing histamine release may limit viral escape by preventing leaky tissue cellular membranes. Finally histamine production eats up a wide range of "cofactors" such as zinc and vitamin C. This may further complicate matters by causing deficiencies in downstream responses to the virus.

Azithromycin would treat "atypical" bacteria pneumonia, but it also confers anti-inflammatory properties in viral pneumonia. Also it may inhibit further binding of viral particles to human cells. I've read a few papers mentioning it could help stabilize production of interferons as well which are vital in viral response.

Levaquin is a the typical antibiotic of choice for complex pneumonia, ie for individuals with underlying comorbidities such as COPD. It is very broad spectrum covering a wide range of potential bacteria. Being that these individuals are likely less active and mobile this is important as the risk for secondary, bacteria is quite high as a result.

Finally the bronchodilator would again supportive airway patency but in my experience it is also helpful for stimulating deep breathing and cough. Viral replication murders the normal airway cells and thus wreaks havoc on mobilizing mucus and other waste products of cellular damage. This is a breading ground for pneumonia. I would also advise people to acquire incentive spirometers for this reason. Anyone who has had a surgery will know what I'm talking about but it is essentially a hand-held trainer for deep breathing.

Ultimately if we still practiced (obviously we don't) medicine and science in this country we would be devising RCT studies with all the various protocol to strengthen their results and corresponding CIs. However all we get now is "take the vaccine" and "come back if things get worse."

Since most people have no clue what "worse" looks like, it usually means when they bring you back in an ambulance. As @tickerguy has mentioned, chicken noodle soup just isn't going to cut it.

Sadly when visiting with docs in my line of work most say the following for things they either don't understand or don't like, "it isn't going to change my management, so why do it?" And they love to throw this line at lay people as if it provides some sort of consolation or better patient care. To me, it causes the patient or parent to feel dismissed and hopeless.

Finally as mentioned in another post, I believe medicine and health, they are very different things obviously, will become more and more a matter of personal responsibility. Specifically each person should acquaint themselves with various lab work and medications to understand their mechanisms, dosing, and adverse effect profiles.

-Bango Skank was here.
-What is a rebel? A man who says no.
-If you're going to try, go all the way.
Jack_crabb 19k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2021-09-24 09:06:13

The world is full of lying, complicit, murdering bastards.

Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Lazydaizy316 228 posts, incept 2016-10-21
2021-09-24 09:06:19

If any of you would like to hear about the latest fda crime...this boobtube video will be very informative. Start at around the 24 minute mark.
This may not be news to others, but it sure as hell was to me. Darn, their are some extremely EVIL slugs in the medical world.....This is Steven Crowder of Louder with Crowder. I had never heard of NAC. But I have now.

God is great!
Beer is good!
And people are stupid!
Microbesrus 32 posts, incept 2021-08-27
2021-09-24 09:06:32


I think it would. Again for opening the lower airways, albeit it is short-lived, but also for deep breathing and stimulating cough. As alluded to in the study there are longer acting bronchodilators available. They are typically used in patient who have COPD.

Chest percussion is also another modality that could be deployed. You can buy percussion cups which are struck against the chest to break up mucus. There are more "fancy" options used for chronic conditions and in the hospital setting known as a percussion vests which literally shakes the chest wall.

Especially in individuals that are laying in bed or less mobile the risk for secondary bacteria pneumonia is very high.

-Bango Skank was here.
-What is a rebel? A man who says no.
-If you're going to try, go all the way.
Standsfirm 44 posts, incept 2021-07-29
2021-09-24 09:06:57


In the 5 days prior to losing my taste ans smell I had what I would call the sniffles. Even though I've never had allergies, I thought maybe it was from the corn tassels emerging in the field next to my property. My wife had a gerneric allergy med I took maybe 3 days out of those 5 days. Fexofenidine Hydrochloride. Took vitamin I once in that 5 days as precaution and was regularly Quecertin/Zinc. Folks, I breezed through this. Perhaps its was the antihistamine. Have it handy.
Purplefang 717 posts, incept 2010-03-28
2021-09-24 09:07:20

A couple times the thought of trying antihistamines popped into my head, but I then I thought it couldn't be that easy.

Wow, with the whole world looking for answers it is amazing how this could have remained so hidden.
Imhotep 1k posts, incept 2013-07-18
2021-09-24 09:07:31


My wife is on hydroxyzine and has allergies. Cant remember what the hydroxyzine is for, but I think it may have something to do with her bladder inflammation. Either way, she had the same mild symptoms as I did.

Mjc1960 358 posts, incept 2015-02-28
2021-09-24 09:07:47

Saw an article suggesting that previous Flu vaccines had proteins similar to COVID proteins and that your body would be primed to react to COVID proteins with an allergic response. So having taken the flu vaccine could make COVID outcomes worse.
This makes sense that antihistamines that suppress the allergic reaction would help prevent damage. Pepsid is also a antihistamine and has been suggested for a long time.
There's no money in it and the government health agencies run by Fauci are not interested.
Quik49 16k posts, incept 2007-12-11
2021-09-24 09:07:58


Looks like I have another article to add to my package on ivermectin I send out snail mail to "journalists"... I feel it more effective than a email they wont read.
Thanks for this.

2 + 2 =5
Georgi 58 posts, incept 2021-07-07
2021-09-24 09:08:11

@Tickerguy , really thank you for pointing us to this piece of research! Now when Ivermectin became so damn hard to find it is priceless to have an alternative.

Apart from this,


That wasn't an accident and it still isn't one.

is absolutely crucial to navigate what is to come! We should be aware that they are doing it on purpose.
Blanca 585 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2021-09-24 09:08:17

Why prescribe this regimen when a steroid, a vent, remdesivir, $30K, and death will do?
Frat 14k posts, incept 2009-07-15
2021-09-24 09:37:55

Why prescribe this regimen when a steroid, a vent, remdesivir, $30K, and death will do?


How are they going to make any money on generics that are OTC and just any ole grandma could buy them? Much better to shut the economy down and force all the free money towards enriching the pharma and medical administrative class, right?

We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
Microbesrus 32 posts, incept 2021-08-27
2021-09-24 09:38:13


Why indeed. So much money to be had as you know. Come back if things get worse. Turns into you need a vent and remdesivir. Unfortunately that ends in death most of the time.

Even if it doesnt, being on a vent leads to horrible outcomes including muscle wasting, ICU psychosis, bed sores, malnutrition, pneumonia, lung injury, blood clots. The list is long.

The point being you will likely need further hospital stay and rehab if you survive the ICU treatment. So much money to be made and they know it.

-Bango Skank was here.
-What is a rebel? A man who says no.
-If you're going to try, go all the way.
Nadavegan 983 posts, incept 2017-05-03
2021-09-24 09:42:31

Of course it wasn't an accident. These are the same people who are promoting the "it's easier to just get a shot than it is to lose weight" campaign.

"Public health" professionals should be treated like sex offenders, change my mind.
Wayiwalk 1k posts, incept 2016-11-09
2021-09-24 09:42:44

Well, I know what is on my list on my next trip to the stores. Can't see them making Claritan impossible to buy. Will there be handwritten signs, "Don't take Claritan for Covid, you will die!" taped up in the allergies shelf sections?

I think they could have found the cure for cancer and it won't change them. I was watching a short bit of Frasier last night, the episode was "Roz in the Doghouse", and near the end there was this piece of dialog, which probably applies to 95% of the medical/scientific profession and is very appropriate:

Daphne: I don't see what's so hard about telling Roz you were wrong.

Frasier: You don't understand. You see, it's not the same as Dad being wrong, or your being wrong. I have a degree from Harvard. Whenever I'm wrong, the world makes a little less sense.

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!

Let's Go Brandon!
Jacksonlee 261 posts, incept 2007-11-11
2021-09-24 09:43:10

Just antidotal, but when I was feeling poorly or felt something coming on , I used Zicam, a nasal type inhaler . It always seemed to clean out whatever was going on in my nasal passages. Quecertin is also a natural antihistamine I used.

It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2021-09-24 09:46:35

I've been on, a rather high regiment.. Zyrtec, Claritin, Pepcid, Montocluist, as well as cromlyn. All because my allergy's are nuts (yes the Dr does blood work every 8 weeks to see etc)

I haven't had covid yet (blood test / t-cell confirm) but who knows eh.
I guess this might be an upshot to having bad allergys.
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