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Jwm_in_sb
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Yeah but they are already closing down schools Shadow. The big problem is people seem to not understand the immune system and are paralyzed by fear. We have to break to break that cycle somehow.
Nadavegan
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@drole

"immune response decreases with age and sex with women and younger people"

Syntax is everything.
Shadowmask
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@Jwm_in_sb you don't. They'll find out the hard way, or come out from under the bed on their own. In the meantime, enjoy the Clown World Show.

Georgi
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New data from Israel, now with 'event after 3rd dose' column. See the attached JPG. It is puzzling however: there are too many events after 3rd dose already and I am not sure how to interpret it. Maybe some combination of the points below:
1. It is about the delta after all. The 3rd shot is not helping much because the delta variant is able to escape the spike-only antibodies induced by the vaccines
2. Israel is in the middle of the 3rd dose administration and they are doing it against all bast practices during a disease wave. Maybe the events after the 3rd dose are people getting the boosters but the infection happened within the 1-2 week span after the injection so that they were not able to mount the antibody protection from it.
3. For some reasons the boosters are not having the same (short-term!) protective effect. Or even ADE?
4. The boosters do actually cause bad reactions and disease, as @Blackcrow suggests

Any thoughts on this?

Apart from the dosing, there is still the question why they require 2 jabs. Maybe they noticed the first one does not induce B-cell memory so they added a second one (and increased the dose)
Do you think repeated boosters might after all induce B-cell memory? So each booster makes the jumping off the train a bit riskier ...
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Mikeyinfl
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I fear that folks like Warren Wilhelm who is tripling down on vaxing NYC kids is simply not going to stop unless someone stops him, be it Fredo style or otherwise, but once parents realize that the loss of their child was totally unnecessary, I sincerely hope those responsible don't walk away with a fat retirement and book deal and actually pay for the harm they have done. What bothers me most about these guys is it's either insane megalomaniacs or they actually know what they are doing is wrong and do it anyway. I've worked with a lot of gov clients and yes some are dumber than a box of rocks, not all are, but these tyrants are not going to stop unless they are stopped.
Purplefang
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The cases are rising. Die! Die! Die!

Could be lyrics to a song.

The brains behind this knew the vaccines would not stop transmission and they knew boosters would be required before the vaccines rolled out. The booster side effects will at least be as unpleasant as the second jab. They knew ADE could happen. It appears to be a deliberate plan to destroy public health.

I wonder if the lack of B-cell induction is an accident or something designed into the product.
Onelegged
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We still live in a world with , essentially, no early treatment and in a world where if Faucci (who has NEVER treated a SINGLE Covid patient) doesn't say it is conspiracy.

We are reacting to this "pandemic" like cavemen would.

Don't forget to wear your two masks. Faucci said so.

The whole ****house needs to go up in flames.

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Susanlauren
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This is good news on one front. From an ADE, OAS and an infectious disease standpoint, it sounds as if things get worse first but then get better. What is not known is all those other consequences and adverse effects from the vaxx. Auto immune. Cancer. Prion disease. Micro-clotting issues. Cardiac damage. And God only knows what else.

How many people who have taken the first two jabbs are going to take the off ramp exit? I truly hope people say "hell no" to any further booster shots.

Drole
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@nadavegan

Hahahahahah...more sex with women and young folk for you.


Also was just thinking about if it is ever proven that the jab makers (or govt?) knew and lawsuit immunity goes bye-bye, it seems there will be a whole lot of people suing, maybe many people on disability and not able to work.....somehow leaving us, the unvexxed, to foot the bill.

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@Susanlauren - Yes, the PHYSICAL damage (e.g. from the spike, etc.) may well be permanent. I'm not sold on the prion stuff; it's extraordinarily serious if true, but there's simply no science on it at this point and frankly, putting ANY attention there, if DISproved down the road, will get you labeled as a crank -- and with good cause.

It's one thing to speculate, it's another base actions on speculation. The latter is almost-always wrong. To avoid something based on LACK OF DATA is fine, but not beyond that.

Especially when its not necessary as there is plenty of actual data to base a decision on.

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Ingar
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A friend who had both jabs plans to retire before the "booster" is mandated in the people's republic of california. I believe that he's having buyer's remorse over the first 2 jabs. These regrets may be spreading among the population as they see the number of variants arising that escape the existing jabs. Notice that there is little coverage of the jabbed who get Covid infections. When there is notice given, the jabbed will say something like Lindsay Graham said like the disease would have been more serious and he wouldn't have been able to get back to sucking d*cks as quickly if he hadn't been jabbed.
Meanwhile, we have talking heads from the Ministry of Truth and nitwits like governor Mamaw telling us that the upsurge in hospitalizations in Alabama are due to the unvaccinated and that everyone needs to be jabbed.
I'm happy that I have natural immunity. I won't waste time on trying to convince anyone not to be jabbed-my family already knows not allow the pathogen to be injected into their bodies.
This covid hysteria may be the thing that reestablishes the law of natural selection. I feel sorry for the gullible, but they are living in a fantasyland. If the establishment succeeds in implementing a never-ending booster policy, we might see an upsurge in deaths. Not to worry, the good Lord made backhoes and bulldozers to make big holes in the ground to accommodate Darwin Award winners.
Dingleberry
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@ Blackcrow

When I studied immunology, I remember thinking there is no way in hell this came about by chance. There are no words to describe how elegantly complex the immune system is. Karl's gift to us is the ability to simplify the infinitely complex for not just the (m)asses, but even those of us who learned it but don't remember it all. This is why we have medical specialties folks....the body really is THAT complex.

So in summary as I understand it, it appears that for most ADE and OAS is not a thing after 6 months. But repeated jabs causing clots, heart problems, etc......that is where the problems should really start to show, even in very healthy populations. Of course that will depend on those giving the jabs to use ethics and report it accurately, which I increasingly doubt will happen. So in the absence of reported mass deaths, I would expect the hordes of karens, the gov, the media and the woke ilk to keep pummeling the unjabbed until they get (at least) triple jabbed.

Another commenter on this string wished for mass death on the jabbists......I am not there.

Yet.



Edwardteach
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'In the year 2525,
Another variant will arrive...'

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Lindsay Graham said like the disease would have been more serious and he wouldn't have been able to get back to sucking d*cks as quickly if he hadn't been jabbed.

Yeah, that's the typical response and its without evidence. Case studies are like that.

I hit my infection with meds immediately as soon as I was reasonably sure I was actually infected (which, with the confounding yellowjacket attack, was not instantly obvious.) Did it change the outcome? I'm reasonably sure it did, but I can't prove it. It's entirely possible that had I used Chicken Soup the same progression and recovery would have occurred.

It's also possible I'd be dead right now.

I have no way to know which, of course. However, irrespective of whether the meds did anything they didn't hurt me and that, at the core, is the first principle of both logic and medicine: Don't do things that **** you; this way at worst what you did was worthless.

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Susanlauren
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I understand Karl. You are right. There are people who are looking for anything to discredit those of us who are against this massive public health experiment.

That is the problem - we don't know because there are no long term studies. This is as much a public relations and credibility campaign as anything.
Ndp
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It's clear now and should have been obvious from the start that the Jabs can not produce lasting durable protection. As Karl says, the antibodies only recognize one part of the virus, the part that changes most readily. I've resorted to using analogies. Though really I've just given up on most people.

Bears are dangerous if they get close to you. Since they move around on their paws, I taught my kids to recognize bear tracks. I never showed them a picture of a real bear. I didn't even describe what a bear looks like. But that's OK because they will know if bears are nearby by looking for tracks. It can't fail.

My one and only concern with this anti bear plan is that tracks can get tricky to identify if you're on dry ground or rocks or if rain and snow wash them out. They might look very different from the perfect example of a black bear print I showed them in the textbook. Grizzly prints can look quite a bit different too. But that's a minor concern.

My plan is so perfect that I never taught my kids to carry bear spray. I didn't teach them to make loud noises to deter the bears or how to defend themselves should an attack happen. I did tell them to cover their heads with a cloth to disguise themselves from bears when they go out in the woods. But if a bear comes close despite all these efforts, there is absolutely nothing you can do. Just hope someone can get you to a hospital after the damage has been done.
Fredx
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Great investigation, analysis and summary. The lack of swear words means I can send it to my sisters and they may even read it.

We know the evil bastards who make the decisions aren't looking for an off ramp. However, this does identify and explain an option for friends and family who have been jabbed. I hope they can get their heads around it.

For those that keep getting jabs until they are removed from the gene pool, that might be a good thing for our planet.

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Capcomp
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An outstanding summary of where we are and where we should go with Covid.

Sadly the odds of .gov at any level

a) admitting they were wrong
b) changing to the outlined sane approach

is near zero.

Fauchi has literally been lying to and killing Americans for decades and yet he remains the highest paid Federal employee. But I guess when the Office of President is literally occupied by a dementia patient you can't be surprised.

Aside from Nixon's resignation I can't remember a senior government official being held accountable for a major screwup. (9/11, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, Waco, etc.)

I do think the general anger/frustration of the average American is growing between the Covid nonsense and the Afghan Debacle. Next up will be the .gov response to IDA. Maybe that will push us past the tipping point.
Marathon345
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For those of you who believe in a creator. The Bible says that you are fearfully and wonderfully made.I had a science teacher who used to say that the human body is a fantastic germ fighting machine and the better you maintain it the better it works.
Karl, thank you for all the work you put in to put out these fact based posts.
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@Marathon345 - That's all true but I strongly dislike appeals to theology, no matter which branch is involved and why.

It's perfectly fine to pray but even if you're right and someone is listening do remember that often the answer is and can be "NO!", and there is no appeal from that decision either.

If the situation is otherwise hopeless, well, then there's no substitution harm. But the situation is almost-never actually hopeless, and if there ARE things you can do that MAY change the outcome substitution harm (that is, prayer instead of action) IS directly harmful.

You don't pray to be delivered from that which you decided; not only is that crazy-land nonsense you probably objectively deserve the "NO!" in response, because to believe otherwise is to believe that whatever form of deity you hold true that deity does not respect and hold you accountable for individual choice. Down THAT road lies throwing people off buildings for being gay.

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Disgusted
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I'm on board with the idea that natural selection is going to play a bigger and bigger role in this. The dumbest are going to keep getting booster after booster and more and more will die. I agree that's a good thing, and I hope ALL politicians keep getting all the new boosters.

As far as the idea that civil war 2.0 will start, I'm already hearing things that show things are already starting. I'm hearing of pissed off people looking up where local tyrant politicians live on the county assessors website and doing things that won't make them happy. One problem that tyrants have is there is a lot of information on the internet that is really easy to find. If they keep lying and mandating destroying peoples health and lives, things could go from minor stuff that I'm hearing about, to full blown insanity.
Jwm_in_sb
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IDA??
Czyhorse
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Believe me, I'm NOT saying this (the vexx) is the Mark of the Beast, but I see where the Mark could totally play out this way...Just sayin...

I will fight for my life to remain in the control group. [****storm]
Jwm_in_sb
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Disgusted,

That's what I am worried about and why I'm so desperate to find an approach to get people to listen. Primarily those who are having to decide about the 3rd shot right now. I think it's a matter of convincing them specifically. Otherwise, you're right, below the surface there are likely things being planned right now and the hypothetical could become reality very quickly. Even preemptively as a false flag...yeah I went there...we can't rule anything out anymore.
Lizardqueen
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As people see the vaxxes failing to stop illness they are less and less likely to get boosters. I see that in my circle which is about half "vax enthusiasts" and half "reluctant vaxxers", of which I am the latter.

The reluctant vaxxers are far more likely to say "F*ck that" to the boosters.
There will be a hard core contingent of the enthusiasts that will take shot after shot, but with every subsequent booster that percentage will drop.

A lot of the vaxxed took the shot on the belief that it was sterilizing and life would "get back to normal". With neither belief turning out to be true, that % of the vaxxed are unlikely to keep getting boosters.

IMO we're going to eventually limp toward herd immunity the hard way.

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