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Bluto
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I see Vanguard is now offering $1,000 to employees dumb enough to take the shot. Why not $1,000 for those who drop their blood sugar, increase HDL, increase Vitamin D, or increase their deadlift or overhead press??? Those things will improve health, not destroy it.

Anyway, like George Washington said, few men can withstand the highest bidder. A lot of them will be dumb enough to take the shot and will ruin their health in the process.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Biden regime pivot to giving people large checks for providing "proof" of the shots. This would allow them to start a national database of who got the shot, and enable them to push the "stick" part out a couple of months.

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Winder
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Wileycoyote40
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The Biden admin was out cheering (or creating FOMO) today that 70% of adults are either fully vaccinated or have had one shot (The CDC announced late Monday that 180,762,301 people, or 70 percent of American adults, had received at least one dose, while 164,919,666 people, or 49.7 percent of the population, were fully vaccinated against COVID-19).

Now couple this with 35.1M people (probably not all adults, perhaps a majority) who have had a positive test for Covid (source: CDC Stats), and we have to be pushing upwards of 80% vaccinated adults (assuming 2 facts 1. That some people who were Covid positive still chose to get vaxxed and 2. some did not so they do not show up in the vaxxed column).

Additionally, I am not even counting the estimate that for every positive case, there were several unreported/undetected. (1 in 4.2 (95% UI* 3.6 4.9) COVID19 infections were reported, source CDC.) So that 35.1M could actually be another 140M people according to the CDCs own estimate. If I use the CDC estimate, that is (35.1 reported cases * 4.2 and I get 140M. Add in the vaccinated with at least 1 shot 180M which then equals about 320M with either a full vaxx, 1 shot, or natural immunity . Surely we have reached herd immunity if we say the US has roughly 330M people. 320M/330M and that is 96% of the population.

So (rhetorically) why the incessant push for a mandate on the 10M not vaxxed or with natural immunity?
Conventional_wiz
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@ Tickerguy: belated reply but thanks for explanation this AM on proof of non-sterilizing vaccines.

For all, I find it interesting that original vaccine rollout was messaged as:

the vax prevents getting covid and you should get it to protect others, and you are a selfish jerk if you dont!

To now messaging has switched to how it prevents serious disease but still wear masks bc vaxxed people can spread it if they have a breakthrough case (which trust us is teansy weansy super rare, of course!)

seemed like a HUGE switch in messaging to me What do you all think the next switch in messaging will be???

Some signs from Israel are that media is starting to report the vax is garbage.

But nah my guess is the next message is:

Get vaxxed. No, theyre not perfect, but life isnt perfect and the vax is still our best hope. You can totally trust us on that!
Robackrman
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Delta "surge" scare and mandates so far not having much effect on renewed desire for vaccines:
Inline
Themacallan
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For those growing weary from the battle. Saw this shared this evening. Keep the fight going and save as many as you can.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4....

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*Notes on vaxxed mental symptoms*

This is based on personal experience with the original Wuhan strain, and subsequent variant waves.

Cv19 typically produced a migraine-like headache that persisted for around 2-3 weeks. (Also substantiated by colleagues). Muscle/joint aches persisted for around 60-90 days.

(We'll ignore initial short, sharp fever and lung-related issues for now, as these presented in various forms, dependng on wave).

Brain fog presented for around 60 days. To the point of wondering if dementia had set in. Professional life became an hour-by-hour slog.

Eventually, over time, these symptoms gradually lifted. However, repeat bouts do seem to follow either from new viral waves, or long covid. We are not sure yet.

Vaxxed
The spike proteins expressed in their systems will be causing symptoms similar to cv19. They will develop brain fog and neurological symptoms.

The unanswered question is whether their internal spike generators shut down, or persist. If they shut down, then recovery may be possible. If not, then I sincerely doubt a full recovery is possible.

Cv19 is not fun. To have it once, or repeat, is very debilitating. To have it forever due to vax, is unthinkable. Many will commit suicide out of despair.

Be forewarned.

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Erroldo
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PFE jab looks like a foregone conclusion by labor day. The media is already forecasting full authorization. I have no faith in this government or any of its agencies.
This can't end well. How can you bring an experiment to market and pretty much force everyone to take a jab of it? Is this what USSA has come to? While they are not kicking down the door and jabbing the remnants, denying us unvaxxed food or means top pay the bill is just and bad as bringing the gestapo to hold us down and jabbing us.
I see mandates for the jab in turbo charged V8 overdrive since last week. Every sectors is now mandating the jab within the next two months. Only a massive bad outcome among the vaxxed is going to derail this.
They got us by the balls in controlling the paychecks for existence. They are squeezing hard so we dont have any other option. Jab or starve. Criminals!
Erroldo
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Abelardlindsey: the mandate is approaching my field of employment. MSFT mandating this is just bad. The infestation is growing. If I get a mandate I will let them fire me, but not taking it. 27 years as an engineer for the same tech company, I can afford to walk, but will not. I like what I do now in technology so not giving it up, unless the company take it away from me.
Most of my colleagues took the jab, so very few of us remain unjabbed. As such these companies may not hurt if the unjabbed walk. There are more jabbed engineers to take our place.
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Time to start offering jobs to those not jabbed.

Last man standing.

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@Kareninca
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As of August 2nd, 78.2 percent of the population of the county (age 12 and over) have been fully vaccinated (84.3 percent with one shot)


WHAT?! Why on earth are KIDS being vaccinated? Kids, whose chances of dying from Covid are practically non-existent, but whose chances of death or permanent damage (including permanent infertility) from the vax are terrifyingly high.

I can't even begin to get my head around this.

CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Rowdypeasant
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Seeking some counsel.

It is day 8 of the delta variant infection. I still have constant fever, chills, body aches, and a very dry hacking cough. Using the little finger thing my oxygen sat is 94-95 and heartrate mid 90's. I have currently taken the ivermectin paste, vitamin D, zinc, and vitamin C. I am also taking NAC and accemanan (aloe). I just started taking Guaiphenesin as an expectorant to try to remove some of the congestion in my lungs. I am coughing so much I cant sleep and my ribs are starting to hurt like the dickens. I also go outside 30 minutes a day right around noon with my shirt off to further stimulate vitamin D production.

Anybody got any suggestions? I am not so sick I need to go to the hospital but man I am truly ready to get better and get back to work soon.

Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions.
Quantum
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@Hobbled: Thomas Rentz, the lawyer with the EUA lawsuit and the 45,000 death CMS whistleblower, said in an interview last week that he thinks the vaccination rate is actually around 30%, but did not explain why.

CDC reports 'doses administered and reported' and uses that to get their percentage vaccinated--but it'd take more spelunking on the site to see exactly how that's getting reported. Is it possible some doses shipped are counted before being used? I doubt that is a big factor.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker....

FWIW, another CDC page shows that most of the vaccination action in the last couple of weeks is in people < 40 years old (at 56%). And in the race/ethnicity chart, Hispanics have been leading the way in the last couple of weeks.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker....
Neonsignal
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@tickerguy

I came across this paper that presents an interesting idea about why repeated jabs might have increasing effects. The idea is that S1 cleaved off the spike protein doesn't get eliminated properly but just permanently housed in monocytes?

Persistence of SARS CoV-2 S1 Protein in CD16+ Monocytes in Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) Up to 15 Months Post-Infection


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/....
Boughtthefarm
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@wileycoyote40
If we started this whole thing with something like 80% natural immunity how many of that 80% had their immunity destroyed by taking the vax? Being vax'ed does not contribute to herd immunity. Seems we're just getting farther away from herd immunity.
Tickerguy
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@Dnomsed - Meh. I know LOTS of people who got Covid; damn near everyone I hang out with, for one. Zero wound up in the hospital and a couple were down for a few days. Ala "bad flu" -- or less.

First week of Jan 2020 before we knew what this thing was I got hammered with some sort of respiratory virus. It was BAD and ****ed me up for a couple of weeks. The hacking was the worst of it and it was definitely in the lungs proper.

Now are there people who really get hammered? Yep. This much I can tell you for sure -- if I was medically compromised in January of 2020 I'd have been dead. No question whatsover -- I would not be writing this.

@Boughtthefarm - We do not know. But it is very likely that we did indeed do that. We now know that natural infection has a near-perfect record of preventing a second round of nasty. The problem is that a HUGE number of people HAD that first round and didn't know it. We did not test for that before jabbing them, so I can't run the data on it because we have no data on purpose. But, to be getting these "breakthrough" situations STRONGLY implies that indeed the jabs are ruining, to at least some extent, pre-existing immune response.

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Susanlauren
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@Rowdypeasant. I would talk to my doctor about possible nebulizer treatments,or an inhaler, steroids and antibiotics to prevent secondary bacterial pneumonia.

As a side note (this is not medical advice), if it were me, I would do the hydrogen peroxide and iodine nebulizer protocol. Research it.
Dnomsed
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@Rowdypeasant
You have a few online doctors in the US. Check with links on the FLCCC website. They also have useful treatment protocols.

Also check Dr Sankara Chetty - interviews on Vejon on YouTube. He discusses the 8th day phenomenon and the bi-phasal nature of cv19.

Sincerely hope this helps.

Msheff
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"It was thus expected that prior infection would lead to durable (years to decades) of resistance and indeed that's exactly what we have found thus far." Those being vaxxed should therefore be getting tested first, then. Are they? What is the test to see if one has already been infected and recovered (or never got sick)?
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MANY viral infections are bi-phase. The not-funny part of this is how many people in so-called "public health" try to ignore that.

Polio was. Influenza is, with the second phase usually being bacterial. There are many other examples; Varicella of course is with the second being shingles.

How the **** can someone claim this is a "new thing"?

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Quantum
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@Rowdypeasant: I'm sorry you're having a hard time and hope you start to improve soon. I linked a friend who had it recently to the outpatient (I-MASK+) protocol, which includes 0.2-0.4 mg/kg of ivermectin per day. He had a rough couple of days when first starting it, and I was concerned as his pulse ox dropped a bit. He was taking a little bit over 0.2 because he's around 170 lb and just went to the next-highest weight dose of 200.

There's also an inpatient(MATH+) protocol that may be worth reviewing.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19....
Dnomsed
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@Tickerguy
*In terms of cv19 symptoms*

We received the first wave out of Wuhan - literally. We are hours travel distance from Wuhan. People poured over the border in their droves from Sept to early Dec 19. Symptomatically, this wave was closer to a very, very rough flu. It was speculated to be an influenza A strain by the WHO rep.

A second major wave landed towards the end of Jan 20. This brought severe headaches (migraines), stomach/bowel issues, fever, longlasting body aches. This behaved with symptoms now described for cv19.

I suspect that the strains that hit the US in early Jan 20, were already milder/mutated forms than what we experienced here, in the early days.

Over here, we typically experience flu from June, July, onwards - during the rainy season. China produces all kinds of junk, as a matter of routine.

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@Msheff - Around here you can walk into a Kroger and for $30 they'll finger-stick you and see if you have antibodies.

That's not dispositive, since you could have T-cell recognition and not have a detectable titer on their test (THAT test is expensive) but if you DO have IgG antibodies on that screen then you're presumptively immune. Doesn't mean you can't get it, but it certainly does mean, in an un-jabbed person, that you absolutely DID have it.

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Rowdy (I am not a doctor and can not advise as one)

If it were me, I would ask myself the following questions.

Am I taking Quinine? I should be adding that with the zinc.
Did I take the paste only once? I should doing that daily for 2 to 4 days.

I would Call my doc NOW and get a abrutal inhaler prescribed and going.
My doc may also wish to start an antibiotic.
Also be sure I am taking a daily famotidine (pepcid)
Additional antihistamine may be warranted based on what my doc suggests.

Once I've addressed those items above, it should take 3 more days for improvements to show themselves. I would monitor oxy and heard levels and if no real change continue at home treatment as discussed with my doc, perhaps adding supplemental oxygen could be discussed.

My doc should be concerned about pneumonia at this point, more so than covid.

Finally, I would explore some melatonin gummy's before bed to help with getting a sound nights sleep. I would mentally prepare myself that I must rest at home for a couple more weeks EVEN IF I am suddenly better tomorrow, my goal of "return to work" is no longer my immediate goal. My thought process is one of rest and recovery only.


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