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Rottenmilk2go
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@Chromehill

If people want to wear masks thats fine. I honestly do not really care...alot of people discovered there allergies went away when they started wearing masks and i personally have kept mine on all through this and i feel so much better now that i do.

Its not a big deal for me, its a choice...I will probably wear a mask indefinitely regardless of what laws are made. Its just healthier for me than taking anti-histamines.
Supertruckertom
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Rotten, I keep my P100 with me for Desert dust storms.

It really makes a difference.

I have been running East to West Coast for just over two years now.

East of Dallas my lungs start choking up after they had a chance to clear themselves out West.

Dust storms are not a common thing.

Humid muggy air and pollen and spores are a constant East of the Mississippi River.


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Traz
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Shouldn't we have started seeing this "uptick" in ADE responses or at least more severe cases in the Southern hemisphere starting in March as they entered their Fall / Winter season? I realize the only real populated country completely in the SH is Australia but you would think it would have been measureable.
Lemonaid
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6 months have passed and now Israel is getting hit.

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The next 4 years will be hell

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Swiftly
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Australia has very limited exposure to actual disease. They have a sixth of pop vaccinated. We will see if cold season is bad or if quarantine breakthrough occurs. Vaccination did get a late start
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Doesn't matter; vaccination is worthless now as Covid-19 has mutated into a moderate seasonal flu.

Thus says the data.

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I think it's hilarious that they keep saying the delta variant avoids the vaccine, but you should go get your vaccine because the delta variant is more dangerous.

The ridiculousness of this **** keeps getting worse.

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Delta is more dangerous IF you have had the shot. Yeah, it avoids it all right -- it appears the jabs potentiate it. Not good. The good news is that the CFR is low anyway, so tripling the risk is still pretty low, but that's dog****.

I'll take 0.1% CFR over 0.3% eh? Yeah.

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Rottenmilk2go
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"Doesn't matter; vaccination is worthless now as Covid-19 has mutated into a moderate seasonal flu.

Thus says the data."


The data definitely does not say that with those who have been Vaccinated Karl... The problem is supposedly the NHS just cant cope with any of this. So lockdowns in the UK are back on the table. Covid restrictions seems to speak more about a broken healthcare system...than actual severity of the virus

Today's numbers were even worse. That's extremely problematic for half the population. We need more data on this. This maybe a catastrophe in the making.


Also what's with all the studies saying Covid is reducing brain matter in even Asymptomatic people? How's that even possible? If the Vaccine cannot Sterilized, millions of people are walking around with low levels of ****ing virus still getting the supposed "Long Covid" and unknowingly reducing grey matter

The Vaccines dont protect against that ****. This is all a ****ing **** show.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/article....



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Tickerguy
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If you took the shot sucks to be you.

Not my problem if you were stupid.

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Rottenmilk2go
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"If you took the shot sucks to be you.

Not my problem if you were stupid."

I didn't

Problem is if you think the collective scientific community and Political elite is going to own up to this mistake you would be most mistaken. They will spin it against the unvaccinated and just develop more and more potent vaccinations to perpetuate the apparent start of Antibody Dependant Enhancement cycle into a more and more lethal cycle.

This is only the start. There is no owning up or admitting for them...they will blame it on YOU

Tickerguy
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Let them try.

And stop projecting. Bad idea on this forum.

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Bagbalm
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Would deliberately getting OC43 provide some protection? Yeah, I know, how?
Tickerguy
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Likely @Bagbalm, but be aware that OC43 was likely the 1890s pandemic virus. While MOST people get a cold or mild flu the same is true for Covid-19, so....

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Rickylc
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I can tell you some antibodies produced are the same or similar.

I had antibody run this weekend and there was a note on the results that stated:

" Positive results could also be due to past or present infection with non-SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus strains, such as coronavirus HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E"

so it looks like you have 4 alternates to choose from, lol. You could probably check the tracking site as to what is going around, someone posted a link a while back but I don't have it handy.
Obseedian
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Bagbalm...there is still an outbreak of OC43 going on. You can try licking some doorknobs.

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Lemonaid
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How much you want to bet the PCR test conflate all these:

HKU1, NL63, OC43, or 229E

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Wasn't OC43 supposed to be the boogey man in the ADE equation?
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Rick, what antibody test did you use?

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Either ADE or OAS for OC43 and HKU1.

ADE is when the same virus comes back stronger.

OAS is where other viruses are stronger because the immune system loses its adaptability.

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ok, well, at least in the midwest OC43 appears to be a nothing burger at this point. It has been going around here for over a month, and I see no mass die-off or hospital over crowding.

@Wakeupcall, not sure what you mean by which test did I use. The one where you go to the doc and they draw a vial of blood and send it off to a lab. The specific brand name for the test is not identified anywhere, only lab results from said test given in IgG AU/ml

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My son-in-law has none of the comorbidities, but is having a really tough time with Covid (in hospital, got ivermectin, zpack, inhaled budesonide, statin for clotting?, steroids, O2, now getting plasma antibodies), while our daughter has a mild cold. BUT, my other family members are panicked and their resistance to the jab is crumbling, they are scared. My wife (in medical field) is now thinking that the J&J as a viral vector vs. Pfizer/Moderna mRNA is "safe" and will protect her. Do you have evidence to the contrary? The rest of my family finally listened to me and started C, D3, Zinc and Quercetin, but they are falling prey to fear porn. We even have ivermectin which my wife could take as prophylaxis, but no she plans to get the jab, driving me nuts! help!
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@Spanky -
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My wife (in medical field) is now thinking that the J&J as a viral vector vs. Pfizer/Moderna mRNA is "safe" and will protect her. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

ALL of the jabs induce systemic production of the spike and if it gets in the wrong places you're ****ed. The same is true if Covid gets them in the wrong places too. The problem isn't necessarily the means of introduction, it's that controlling where produced S1 spike subunit goes, which is what causes the problem in the first place, is not possible.

If you get nailed with the clotting problems you're in deep **** and that appears to be where most of the serious adverse effects are coming from. There is NO WAY to predict if you will or won't as far as I've been able to determine. Further, its entirely possible that MOST people *ARE* getting hit but its sub-clinical. Whether it stays that way is unknown. There is SOME evidence that widespread d-Dimer elevation occurs in people who get jabbed -- I've seen anecdotes of a quarter or MORE of all people show that, but they're small samples and impossible to run down and put a quality metric on, and so far there's no follow-up either so whether this is transient or will be with someone for a long time (or forever!) is not known.

There's no ******ned way I'd take those shots. You're NOT guaranteed to get Covid, you might have already had it and not know and you also might have N-protein cross-reaction and thus be at very low risk of anything more than the sniffles. The latter is impossible to test for at reasonable cost. AT MINUMUM go get checked for antibodies FIRST; why in the hell ANYONE who take the jab if they already HAVE antibodies is beyond my comprehension.

Trying to get ACCURATE data on the relative risk at present is impossible as adverse events are being deliberately ignored, even EXTREME ones like the kid who showed up to testify before Congress. SHE and her parents were told it was a result of "anxiety"; BULL ****ING ****.

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Spanky
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Karl, thanks for your info!!! I'm trying to battle emotions with facts, not easy. My son-in-law is not generating antibodies to Covid, so I don't see how a vax would have worked. They gave him plasma antibodies, seems to be working. Thanks again.
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