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Lemonaid
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Unless those rats have ascorbate knock out genes I woudn't expect to see endothelial damage.

I mean ascorbate is *critical* to hydroxilate lysine and proline to build the walls of blood vessels.




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If you test in rodents you wouldn't see it, but the problem is there.

The opposite scenario is not uncommon either; things show up in rodents that can't be reproduced in humans.

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"Corona Virus will come and go, but government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of everyone's life; to control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table, church pew, and even whether you are allowed to leave your house.
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Yep.

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Research causes cancer in rats

....unless rats have been genetically modified with longer telomires.


You can't make this **** up.

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Is it here?
Dr Eric Figgle Dinky is even more nervous.

92% vax rate of airport employees in Singapore.
Indian variant arrives.
11 vexxed workers ill
3 non vexxed ill


https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/st....

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Tom: Tweet was removed.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
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STT wrote..
92% vax rate of airport employees in Singapore.
Indian variant arrives.
11 vexxed workers ill
3 non vexxed ill
If true, that would tend to support that the vaxx is somewhat effective.

If the vaxx were totally useless, one would expect the fraction of illnesses to be distributed in accordance with the vaxx rate, i.e., of the ill, 92% would have been vaxxed. In this case, the result shows that of the ill (14), only about 80% were vaxxed, thus indicating that the vaxx offered at least some level of protection.

However, the numbers are so small in this case, that it would be foolish to draw any conclusions based on this report.

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It is very hard for the average American to wrap their head around the fact their government is evil and acts against their best interest at almost every level. Going back 70+ years from when we welcomed in the Nazi monsters who conducted horrible atrocities against humanity because we had to fight those "evil Russkies", to the Cold War built by Dulles and the MIC, to the Gulf of Tonken lie, to Iran Contra, Watergate, Vietnam, The Gulf War, 911, Nuclear Testing on the Military, Tuskegee, Polio shots laced with carcinogens, endless wars, etc. etc etc.

So now the Socialists have effectively taken over the Country and the true Patriots are being hunted, ostracized,marginalized, and those of us who refuse to allow an experimental jab of toxic and deadly chemicals be forced on us will have to choose- choose whether we want to keep our jobs, choose where we live, who we can associate with, and can never go back to a Pre Covid life.

I, like many others here, have some serious life choices to be made in the next few months, My employer will want me back in an office building where my health is at risk or lose my job.

I truly pray for our Country as I fear we have crossed the point of no return, and are akin to 1939 Nazi Germany.
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I want everyone attempting to mandate these stabs dead. I would prefer with due process of law first, with them being charged with manslaughter and tried, but I am rapidly reaching the point where it comes some other way I will snicker or even raise a toast.

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Karl, what makes you think they don't want the same thing for us? Biden is already on record stating those of us who refuse to take the jab WANT people to get sick and should be held responsible

"I want everyone attempting to mandate these stabs dead. I would prefer with due process of law first, with them being charged with manslaughter and tried, but I am rapidly reaching the point where it comes some other way I will snicker or even raise a toast."

This is War.
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@Bigdaddy63 - People like Biden who make statements like that in positions of power and authority are playing with matches in a room where someone tossed 20 gallons on the floor.

That's DUMB.

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Nothing to see here folks. See this jab is perfectly Safe

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05....

"ivekh, an Indian actor and health ambassador for the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, died two days after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine dose earlier this month.

The well-known actor and comedian was admitted to a local hospital on April 16 for cardiac arrest after being vaccinated with Covaxin, an Indian coronavirus vaccine, the day prior. The 59-year-old was brought to the hospital unconscious and underwent a coronary angiogram and angioplasty before his death the following morning, GreatGameIndia reported.

The hospital said that Vivekh suffered acute coronary syndrome with cardiogenic shock and 100% blockage of a blood vessel.

The actor had taken his first dose of Covaxin on Thursday at a televised event with the health secretary of Tamil Nadu to encourage vaccination."





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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05....

Can't make this **** up....


ivekh, an Indian actor and health ambassador for the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, died two days after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine dose earlier this month.

The well-known actor and comedian was admitted to a local hospital on April 16 for cardiac arrest after being vaccinated with Covaxin, an Indian coronavirus vaccine, the day prior. The 59-year-old was brought to the hospital unconscious and underwent a coronary angiogram and angioplasty before his death the following morning, GreatGameIndia reported.

The hospital said that Vivekh suffered acute coronary syndrome with cardiogenic shock and 100% blockage of a blood vessel.

The actor had taken his first dose of Covaxin on Thursday at a televised event with the health secretary of Tamil Nadu to encourage vaccination.
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Just passed the once large drive through testing and vaccination location on the East side of Tucson.

All tents are down but one.
There were a dozen with cones separating the lanes.

No cones now either.

Just a huge gravel lot with one tent now.


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Here ya go Tom.
 

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With 10 pages of comments, I doubt Karl will actually see this but I thought it interesting and worth throwing out there. Copied/paste from a comment from a not to be named website of (near) Zero value. Presented for your general enlightenment. Applies to air travel I suspect??


COVID-19s Impact on Cruise Ships

Its all about toilets, vacuum toilets. Vacuum toilets on ships were introduced by Electrolux Marin in 1970. I knew the inventor Joel Liljendahl and build most of the equipment for installation on ships. Prior to vacuum system, gravity sewage pipes of steel were used and modern cruisers would sink. Today plastic pipes are used and often placed up in the ceiling, no gravity.

Vacuum toilets use air as medium and the sewage is transported as aerosol. In the collecting tanks most of the waste water is separated but some follow the air to the outlet, usually locate high above deck in mast or funnel. As service engineer I saw some misshapes when at general cleaning, personal throw soap water in the toilets. There where soap bubbles all over the whole ship. When the patent expired around 1980, Wersil OY, EVAC AB, JETS AS and others started to make equipment for marine vacuum systems. On their websites you cant find much about exhaust but a lot about environment and green agendas.

Covid-19 is spread via aerosols and longer the 2 meter as WHO says. More than 10% of Covid victims have strong infectious diarrhea and on a ship with 6000 passenger there are a lot of flushing in the morning. Each flush use 100 liter of air, 6000 x 100 = 600 cubic meters of possible infected air. For more see more on YouTube, when Covid hit the fan, Covhitfan.
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@Nashville - Yes, I know they're vacuum-operated; I've been on several cruises. My 45 Hatteras had a Vacuflush head. It's advantage over the "traditional" water-carried flush is that fresh water consumption is MUCH lower (just enough for the bowl and to carry solid waste) and in addition there is little or remaining waste in the pipe between uses plus the entire system is under negative pressure until the vacuum pump. Many "recreational" vessels that don't have those systems use sea water for flush because fresh water is precious on board, but that's got its own set of problems including odor, which the vacuum system avoids entirely since it's sealed except when being flushed and it all goes one way. Never mind that the vacuflush system is MUCH less likely to get clogged and trust me on this -- unclogging a marine head system is a ****ty job, literally.

The vent on a recreational vessel's tank is typically hullside and, since there are only a few people on board, the "blast of ****-odor" is rare. I did not know they vented the cruise ships up the stack, but that does make sense.

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I thought COVAXIN was a more traditional non gene therapy vax??? Using dead virus vice mRNA??? If that guy died from something it probably wasnt that vax, unless they are lying about how it works.


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Wouldn't take that bet @Pilot.

There's still spike protein in there and it still gets into the circulation. That's the problem and one of the many reasons that, until this bull**** started, everyone in the virology world agreed that "you can't vaccinate against coronaviruses."

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Tickerguy citing consensus of virologists wrote..
. . . "you can't vaccinate against coronaviruses."
Don'r quite understand why this would be the case. Could you provide a quick-and-dirty explanation or point to a source of info about why?

It would seem to me that if you use the nucleocapsid itself as the vaccine target instead of playing silly-ass games targeting various ancillary features thereof, in principle at least, developing vaccines against coronaviruses should be not much different from developing vaccines against other virus-caused diseases for which successful vaccines have been able to be developed, e.g., polio, smallpox, etc.

I do understand that coronaviruses tend to mutate which would mean that any vaccine would lose effectiveness over time, but that should be just a complicating factor rather than making it an impossibility.

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@Peterm99 -
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Don'r quite understand why this would be the case. Could you provide a quick-and-dirty explanation or point to a source of info about why?

It has never worked. Attempts have either proved worthless or worse, original sin and pathogenic priming of some sort has shown up and killed or severely injured the animal(s) under test.

RSV is another one; we've tried and had the same thing happen. Ditto for HIV. Why is there no HIV vaccine? Same reason; it doesn't work.

We're nowhere near as smart as we think we are when it comes to these things.

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Tickerguy wrote..
We're nowhere near as smart as we think we are when it comes to these things.
Completely agree. And my previous post was definitely NOT intended to trivialize the issue.

However, "We've not been able to do it so far" does NOT necessarily mean "It can't be done."

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Reason: "previous", not "precious"
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The good news is if you do nothing this covid coronavirus will mutate into something more like the cold.

It won't get more lethal.

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But if you **** with it, an ****load of us die.

So, choose wisely, my young Padowan.

Oh, wait.....
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How do the antibody tests available, for example from Labcorp and others, relate to these findings? They won't give a peptide readout, but they do have both spike protein and nucleocapsid tests. I'm trying to determine if there's a test worth taking to tell me if I previously caught the virus or if I have some level of pre-existing antibody response.

I imagine the nucleocapsid test (164068) https://files.labcorp.com/labcorp-d8/202.... would return positive if you've in fact caught the bug, or you have 4 or more of the 5 matches (80% of the population is cross reactive). Or, is that not quite right?

I'm not sure why the spike protein antibody tests are being marketed other than that's the infection mechanism everyone has been talking about for the last year, and that's what your immune system would target after the vaccines. So, the market is there, but from a natural infection/immunity perspective it seems like the wrong test.
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