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 Science Catches Up -- And Burns You All
Mentalic 27 posts, incept 2009-08-06
2021-04-29 09:20:05

"all full-protein inactivated and thus include the nucleocapsid portion"

KD, have a look at the Indian designed Covaxin vaccine. It's based on a fully inactivated virus vaccine, and as such should give better recognition to more epitopes of the virus apart from just the spike protein. And the technology used is based on a decades old platform that's used for other vaccines like Polio, et al.
Ebt 362 posts, incept 2018-12-22
2021-04-29 09:20:22

Anybody else noticing a massive surge in auto accidents in their areas? We're getting them here - fatalities, fender-benders, median strips. Even a few people literally driving into storefronts. All in lighter-than-usual traffic.

I guess all these vaccinated people are having mini-strokes as they are driving around. Beware!
Rvborgh 5 posts, incept 2020-03-26
2021-04-29 09:20:41

hi Karl,

Thanks for the wonderful post. i've been trying to explain to friends that the body produces anti-bodies against pretty much all the parts of the virus during natural infection and that this is why natural immunity is superior to the spike only immunity but it seems to make no difference. They just go for the mRNA jabs anyways :(

It seems the body itself produces the most antibodies against N by the way.

Please keep up the good work.

PS: what is going to happen to the population of Israel? If this scenario plays out will they have done to themselves what Hitler could only dream of doing?
Goldbrick 7k posts, incept 2008-01-23
2021-04-29 09:20:53

@Zappafan, here's an article from last fall that discusses ADE and coronavirus.

"The higher I go, the crookeder it gets." --Michael Corleone
Tinman 6k posts, incept 2008-02-16
2021-04-29 09:21:06

"The folks with stars on their bellies sneer down at our lack of stars with contempt."

It's worse than that. Apparently there is a push in Louisiana to have another star on your drivers license for the vax. The legislature wants a proactive ban on that. Not normally what you see happen so I guess they see it as a threat they need to stuff out now.
Bluetick 3 posts, incept 2020-12-26
2021-04-29 09:21:09

OK, I agree that nothing short of an N95 respirator will stop aerosols. And N95 repirators will only work if donned correctly which I've yet to see done. I've written news articles on the topic of respirators for the metal trade industry so I know whereof I speak. However, I don't get the thing about the fecal aerosol spread through soil stacks in absence of p-traps. Toilets don't have p-traps. Anywhere in the world. This is because the water always present in a commode's bowl blocks fumes. That is, the entire toilet acts as its own P-trap. However, when you flush, aerosols rise into the room and are hence more likely to be spread through the building's ventilation system (I'm sure that even in China they have fans in their bathrooms).
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2021-04-29 09:21:37

Winesorbet Posted this link backing masks

Only one observational study has directly analyzed the impact of mask use in the community on COVID-19 transmission. The study looked at the reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Beijing households by face mask use (10). It found that face masks were 79% effective in preventing transmission, if they were used by all household members prior to symptoms occurring. The study did not look at the relative risk of different types of mask.

Now, what did Karl post from that study? That around 80% of people had natural immunity?

Why does the flu seem to arise out of the part of the world that wears so many masks, if they are so effective?

The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Steph4liberty 2k posts, incept 2010-10-22
2021-04-29 09:22:03

Our Asshat Gov Cooper held a news conference yesterday. I almost couldn't make it through with all of the lies and propaganda being spewed. I could easily tell they are panicked that the rate of people getting in line to get the jab has slowed wayyyy down. They're now talking about "campaigns" to get people vaccinated. Bitch please. No "campaign" you do will be enough for me to get that toxic, unhealthy shot in my body.

I also shared this ticker on my FB wall... I have 1k+ friends. It got two "laughs" and the following comment:
Idiot FB friend wrote..
The thing is, everyone reacts differently to the virus. Some people are totally fine, and some people, like my dad, are completely consumed by it and pass away. In my opinion, wearing a mask is simply a way of saying, I respect your health as much as I respect my own. Lets take care of each other and get through all of this mess together instead of letting it tear us apart.

My guess is she didn't even bother reading the whole thing, just stopped at the mask discussion. You would think she'd be furious at losing her dad when she didn't have to. I highly doubt he was given ivermectin or budesonide and instead was left to watch his oxygen deplete until he died.

As for respecting her health as much as my own... I'd rather wear a damn sticker than a disgustingly unhealthy face diaper. And that should be MY choice, not hers.

"Man will never be free until the last Banker is strangled with the entrails of the last Politician" - unknown

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Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-04-29 09:25:28

@Bluetick - The sinks were not P-trapped. Yes, the commode is by its natural design, but they all were on the same vertical drain stack so when you flushed aerosolized shit got blown out the drains of the sinks on floors below yours. This was what made that situation unique and enabled me to analyze what happened, since there was no other plausible mechanism that people who did not know each other and were separated by several FLOORS had no other reasonable explanation for being able to infect each other, yet NOBODY ELSE in the building got infected -- just those on that same vertical drain stack.

@Mentalic - That doesn't help if the spike is directly pathogenic, and it appears that it is. As I've repeatedly noted we've never been able to successfully vaccinate against coronaviruses before and it's not because we haven't tried.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Sailordeek 811 posts, incept 2011-06-08
2021-04-29 11:39:16

I recently had an antibody test in an attempt to convince wife not to get the shot. I was hoping for a positive result showing natural protection. The test was negative.

From a non-scientific background the question I have is:

If I am part of the 81% who have protection from covid, would I produce antibodies to covid detectable to the antibody test I took?

I hope the question is not "too far out there."

The test was a blood test and is described as "SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) ANTIBODY IGG."

Thank you.
Mohawkman 6 posts, incept 2021-04-28
2021-04-29 11:39:26

@Tickerguy Thanks for all the information. I guess if the new strain potentiates through ADE then the vaccinated population would be hit hardest (but 80% of them would still be okay since their existing cross immunity nuc antibodies would kick in). If this ever gets started, then being unvaccinated, you would want to lock down your vaccinated family / friends 100%, or what other course of protection would they have aside from hoping their in the 80%?

@Heartlander Thanks for the info

@Maudite The ADE discussion mentioned (lock=cell wall) was very helpful. Thanks.
Winesorbet 977 posts, incept 2010-08-23
2021-04-29 11:39:34

Interesting catch Mannfm11 but honestly I don't feel like dying on the mask hill so to speak. As a matter of fact I'm totally burned out trying to get this message across. Winter is Coming and we deserve it.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-04-29 11:44:13

@Sailordeek -
From a non-scientific background the question I have is:

If I am part of the 81% who have protection from covid, would I produce antibodies to covid detectable to the antibody test I took?

MAYBE. But quite-possibly not, at least not in clinically-material amounts, depending on how rapidly your existing resistance identifies the problem and destroys it.

This is also my quandary; I have been exposed myriad times. For a while I was keeping track of known exposures as I EXPECTED after each one to get the virus, but refused to go get tested until and unless I had some sort of symptoms, and in addition I had antibody tests (linear flow, now all used up) so I could self-surveil, which I was doing on 3 month intervals. During the summer and fall here it got to the point that I was literally being exposed weekly and several of those were by people who a day later had clinically-significant disease in addition to a positive test, so that I actually WAS exposed is conclusive.

I've never gotten sick, but I also have never tested positive for antibodies. But I assure you -- I damn sure was exposed (no masks, time "at risk" typically spanning an hour or more indoors, etc.) more than a dozen times, and so I SHOULD HAVE gotten it but, on the scientific evidence, did not.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-04-29 11:47:55

@Mohawkman - With a fecal and aerosol-driven bug it will be nearly impossible to evade it on a durable basis. If we pull the black ball the best you'll be able to do is hit any suspected infection immediately with inhaled steroids (e.g. Budesonide) and antivirals (e.g. Ivermectin) and hope for the best. If said person does not have pre-existing nucleocapsid recognition they're going to be in a LOT of trouble.

What happens in these circumstances is that instead of 1-in-10 or 1-in-100 viral copies released with each cycle getting into a cell the rate is wildly potentiated, frequently by double or more, and the resulting inflammatory response fucks you immediately and VERY hard since it's wildly beyond what your immune system normally is expected to deal with.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Kikknback 1k posts, incept 2020-03-17
2021-04-29 12:08:44

Kikknback wrote..
The Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex(CMIC)(tm) has transformed itself into Hyper-Weaponized Nazis(tm) to exterminate human life, polar opposite from their Hippocratic Oath they vowed to follow, "First, Do No Harm".

You people around the world think I was lying with my above statement?

Well, here's the firsthand eyewitness evidence the Criminal Medical-Industrial Complex (CMIC)(tm) did in fact transform itself into Hyper-Weaponized Nazis (tm) and MURDER human beings.

COVID nurse explains becoming a whistleblower: 'I recorded them murdering patients'

'The very first day [at Elmhurst] I was shocked. It was something I've never seen before. Patients were alone in the rooms on ventilators [with] no family allowed in [to advocate for them]. People were just dying from gross negligence, medical malpractice, [and] mismanagement.'

"For me, that was really difficult to swallow. Everything made sense to me at that moment of why there were so many deaths in New York," she said.

Following a good cry back in her hotel room, she eventually contacted an attorney in New York, secured a "pair of spyglasses" and began to document what she saw in the hospital.

"I recorded them murdering patients. I recorded just the complete and absolute disregard for human life," she said.

Mohawkman 6 posts, incept 2021-04-28
2021-04-29 15:32:18

@Tickerguy Thanks for the response. For the Budesonide: will the nasal spray (no prescription needed) work for this purpose or does it need to be in an inhaler form?
Jw. 698 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2021-04-29 15:32:33


Toilets have p-traps, they are built into the base and it is what makes the sucking sound when you flush. If it wasn't for the p-trap you would not have water in the bowl and you would smell sewer/septic gasses all the time in the bathroom.

The spending must continue, until it can't.
615obo 53 posts, incept 2020-08-10
2021-04-29 15:32:44

Local Fox turning the fear dial up to 11:

It's pretty obvious that there is panic that people, particularly the young aren't getting vaccinated. What I find odd is why there's suddenly a surge of young people getting hit. I wonder what the reality behind that could be?
Franco 311 posts, incept 2009-10-06
2021-04-29 15:32:51

Is it possible to buy an inexpensive budesonide inhaler in the USA? Is that prescription only? I dont think it would be since the nasal spray version is OTC.
Purplefang 717 posts, incept 2010-03-28
2021-04-29 15:33:03

@Sailordeek - from what I understand antibodies not really desirable. Antibodies could lead to ADE and worse infection.

I would only recommend these injections if you want to die or you just like to visit doctors because of chronic illness. The spike protein is toxic and you manufacture it all over your body after the injections. The extent of the possible damage is not even known yet. Many of the entries in the VAERS database are horrific.
Heartlander 3k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2021-04-30 08:03:08

The injections are endangering EVERYONE, both the injected and the non-injected. It's called evolutionary pressure, and if it is not stopped, we are all in for a global nightmare that will make 2020 look like a picnic:
Supertruckertom 7k posts, incept 2010-11-07
2021-04-30 08:03:32

Two Budesonide forms you need.
Liquid for nebulizers
Pulmacort inhaler.
I used my Cigna telephone consultant option.
$57 copay for 2 boxes of Nebulizer 30 treatments per box
1 Pulmacort 180 mcg per dose inhaler.
There is also a 90 mcg per dose inhaler.

May need GoodRX coupon as the inhaler alone can be $300 without insurance.


Local Dr wrote me a scrip for the Ivermectin but I also have enough Pony Paste for a herd of Stallions put back.


I consider having these stockpiles as important as loaded ammunition or moreso.

Preparing to go Hunting.
Lamarth 1k posts, incept 2008-03-15
2021-04-30 09:29:39

Two SinoPharm vaccines and CoronaVac are inactivated. But CanSino's Convidecia is viral vector/recombinant, is also known as AD5-nCOV, and targets the S protein.


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Mmmtang 16 posts, incept 2014-11-26
2021-04-30 11:40:27
What a coincidence. 712 confirmed cases out of 3700 people on the boat. 712/3700 = 19.2%. I wanted to see the numbers, and damned if they don't come out exactly on point.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-04-30 11:40:36

Ain't that amazing...

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
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