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Obseedian
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This study neatly explains everything we are seeing.

- Why a number of elderly folks aren't getting hit despite being probably fairly low on Vitamin-D: Due to existing T-cell immunity they acquired when they were much younger (and had more Vitamin-D to activate T-cells)

- Why there is a correlation of COVID with Vit-D deficiency even after age-adjusting: People with low-D did not develop strong T-cell immunity, hence more vulnerable.

- Why the infections and deaths are now fairly low in retirement homes: because they already went through a nasty first wave and if you didn't die you either had T-cell immunity or you did get sick developed it. Having received the vax may not have done all that much extra.

- Why there was a major rise in cases in tandem with vaccination rollout in pretty much every country that started vaxxing: the folks with single vaccination dose but NO T-cell immunity suddenly became a lot more vulnerable. Since they were vaxxed during a pandemic the inevitable happened and they got horse****ed.

There has been an interesting lack of data regarding COVID deaths after only one dose of vax, outside of retirement homes. I'm guessing governments are hiding this data because it is not very flattering. The chart out of Hungary was only for people who got both shots.

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And this is the response I get. A study saying masks are affective. smiley

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014....
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Would a product like T-Detect reflect this cross-immunity? FDA EUA here: https://www.fda.gov/media/146481/downloa....

I imagine it would depend on the calibration of the test levels, which we may not know with certainty, but wondering if it would be worth it given the value of knowing personal t-cell response to covid.

Thanks for this article, Karl! As always, it's much, much appreciated.
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This is war.
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Well, it should be, @Purplefang. But given the sheepish nature of Americants today, I rather doubt it.

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Fauci always said 80% vaccinate immunity stops the spread.
He never mentions natural perfect immunity, mind boggling.

But TG just nailed his ass and all the pols/gov & health bureaucrats

It has to be $$$ money, money, money.

Why is it that the big vaccine companies never step in and tell Fauci to knock the nonsense off with masks and distancing once vaccinated.
They know whats going on, but with billions and billions they will do nothing, with nobody ever going to jail.

They must figure that those that get screwed by the vaccine now or later in life is untraceable. It's all muddled and will never be proven and casting blame will never happen.

Sit in a room with these money evil people and imagine what there talking about, then planning their goal.

Pure human evil, they know they are not accountable so they, their kids, gkids, greatGkids will never have to worry again. With all that money they are protected and will enjoy the best life has to offer for generations.

It's the way life rolls for them.

Bottom line to sum it all up.

"Globalism" full steam ahead and we are are not stopping it, the world (95%) is all in.

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@Txdg00 - Yes, but it's expensive and (comparatively) slow; it thus will NOT be used on a mass basis prior to giving people jabs.

It also won't tell you WHERE the cross-reaction is. There's no way to know whether it matters at present, but the presumption from this paper is that nucleocapsid reaction is where you get the best protection; whether you get effective protection from spike recognition is much less-certain. I would not expect you do, simply because it takes TIME for the immune system to detect and attack a thing, and unfortunately the spike does its job VERY rapidly. Viral replication, on the other hand, requires about 10 hours for a cycle which is plenty of time.

Note that the time required for blood to circulate is approximately one minute (heart -> heart); add to this the enzyme activation and mobilization time once "detection" has occurred before the various defensive mechanisms associated with that (macrophages, etc) are loosed and get to the correct location. 10 hours is a long time and plenty, but the few minutes (if that) required for the spike to penetrate may not be enough. As such I would expect that T-cell recognition to the spike is much less-protective than recognition of the nucleocapsid sections of the virus, simply on the "time in action" during which interdiction can take place.

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whether you get effective protection from spike recognition is much less-certain.

The spike is more likely to evolve especially under vaccine-induced evolutionary pressure, so I would expect T-cell immunity to spike to be less effective as time goes on.

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I'd like to nominate Fraudci as the first person we obliterate from the public sphere. That conflicted POS has no right to be in government, unless as a ward of the state.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/04/vide....
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Early on during a verbal joust with Rand Paul, Fauci said there was no proof that cross-immunity existed (he even mentioned a study that suggested it did not) despite cross-immunity in the virus kingdom having existed since the dawn of time. Fauci added that this was why we needed herd immunity through vaccinations.

MIC DROP! Since cross-immunity DOES FKNG EXIST (at 80% ish), the need for a vaccine is clearly NIL and Fauci's argument falls flat.

Anyone have the clip to this?

It needs to be played and looped everywhere.

KD, once again, a grand slam.
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Pilot wrote..
SO....those of us who have had COVID-19 and were basically asymptomatic ( I lost my sense of taste and smell but was never "sick") have long term, durable T-cell memory/immunity to this disease. My Igb antibodies may wane at some point, but my robust, working natural immune system WILL protect me from any future Coof.

Maybe, but you can't be certain of this. Bottom line is that people -- and their immune systems -- are different. The reason I say this is because we've had at least one and perhaps two long-term members here who've had Coof twice, and the second time was worse than the first.




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Yes.

Nothing is certain. However, odds are odds and further, if you do not get solid protection from natural infection it's extremely unlikely you will get solid protection from PARTIAL protein encoding in a synthetic vaccine -- and worse, if you get rat****ed you're likely to be one of the people who really get hammered as the same impairment that makes your response imperfect has high odds of screwing you via the jab too.

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Another ticker puts it all into the daylight for any not blinded by greed, fear-porn, lack of IQ, or plain laziness.

@Redjack said:

Eventually, the numbers will pile up enough someone will have to deal with it.

May eventually become:

Eventually, the numbers will pile up enough and many someones will be dealt with accordingly by victims and/or family members and loved ones.
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two long-term members here who've had Coof twice, and the second time was worse than the first.

That would be indicative of ADE, kind of like Dengue Fever. It happens when you get a mild infection with one serotype, then soon after you get infected by a different variant. This probably increases the need to develop strong nucleocapsid T-cell immunity, and is also another major strike against vaccinating for spike since if we get a new nasty variant those who were vaxed will get horse****ed because they have no T-cell nucleocapsid immnunity to AND have the wrong antibodies! This really would be China's wet dream. They could release a new genetically engineered variant designed explicitly to trigger ADE in vaccinated.


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Karl,

you mentioned some time ago that the real cause of the 2008 financial crash had to do with the medical establishment. Is this documented in your book "How Leverage Will Destroy the World"?

In any case, I propose a new term, the Medical industrial Complex (MIC). This new MIC is just as pernicious as the old MIC (Military Industrial Complex).

Eisenhower warned us about the old MIC. You're warning us about the new MIC.

BTW, I love how Bill Gates is squirming over the "open IP" vaccine proposals being bandied about by the democrats and developing countries such as India. Gates really hasn't changed since his days at Microsoft. Follow the money trail and it tells the story.
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On the radio, the journOlist speaking said that 8 million people skipped their second shot. Then cut to some .gov drone as to why they had to get the second one stat.

Journos are a perfect example of the 'curious incident of the dog that didn't bark in the night-time: what they don't say is often the most important part of the story. So when the press doesn't seem curious as to why 8 mill skipped the second shot, it makes me wonder how many of that cohort said '**** no' after they had a taste of the first.

I don't know if one can claim a single conspiracy, but maybe multiple overlapping venn diagram conspiracies. .gov's quest for power. The press and Dem Inc's need to weaponize covid to get Trump out of office. Big Pharma's quest for $$. Silicon V's quest to stifle dissent. Societal panic. Group think. Marginalization of those that don't toe the universal susceptibility line. People happy to profess covid terror so they can collect easy .gov benefits. Etc.

Covid has burst on the scene almost like the Beatles or the ****ing hoola hoop-- a fad. It is total collective behavior, impulsive, emotional and brings disparate groups together to cause the usual madness of crowd behaviors: panics, fads, fashions, crazes, including people in power who are interested in keeping it all going.

All that being so, then how the **** does India fall into this? I don't know anybody there to get first hand reports, but either everybody is lying about it or there is a covid strain as deadly as Ebola.
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Israel Examines Heart Inflammation Cases After Pfizer Shot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/....
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Israel Examines Heart Inflammation Cases After Pfizer Shot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/....


One rat asks another rat "Did you get your shot yet?". "No" said the other rat."They are testing it on Humans first".
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1. 80% is the same number Vanden Bossche gave

2. Vanden Bossches theory was based on an immune response to the spike protein
acting as a selection pressure , but if the virus is actually acting on
the nucleocapsid , then ,, ?

3. we should be seeing negative vaccine outcomes in Israel, UK and Prince
Rupert BC [ it doesn't matter how prefect your theory is,, Feynman ]

4 . Its too bad you KD can't have a conversation with Bossche
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Karl, how many words per minute do you type?

And the more crazy thing is... it's *technical writing*. smiley

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We are so ****ed, as a human race/civilization.

**** these Satanic **********s to hell.

 

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Regarding masks, specifically their widespread use in China:

My brother, who works for a giant (greedy) global corp, was in Shanghai circa 2009-2016 helping to setup & get operational a new manufacturing plant. He said that although some wore masks due to respiratory disease(s), i.e.H1N1, most however donned them (even while exercising) because the air was so f'n filthy. He said you could almost see the particulate crud wafting in the air there and it made LA's air (daily am smog), by comparison, look crystal clear & clean, which it isn't.

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Another home run, Tickerguy! I've said for a while that I thought this whole plandemic was being used to kill old people, and free up all the money spent on them for commie projects. The fools are going to wind up killing off a lot of young people too. Crazy times we live in.

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I see journolist is busy today. Now they are touting how the vaxxes are 94% successful at reducing hospitalizations.

So I go to the study, and am left scratching my head, until I read their disclaimer, then the nonsense made sense.

"The findings in this report are subject to at least six limitations. First, the CIs for VE estimates were wide because of the small sample size, and the number of participants was too small to assess VE by vaccine product, age group, or underlying conditions. Second, as an interim analysis that included self-reported data, vaccination status might have been misclassified, or participants might have had imperfect recollection of vaccination or illness onset dates. Third, selection bias and residual confounding cannot be excluded. Fourth, although the analysis included hospitalized adults from 14 states, the participants were not geographically representative of the U.S. population. Fifth, the case-control design infers protection based on associations between disease outcome and previous vaccination but cannot establish causation. Finally, duration of VE and VE for nonhospitalized COVID-19 was not assessed."

So just more of the usual propaganda campaign.
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Robodog, although slightly off topic, I was going to mention something about that in one of these threads. I lived in Nepal for a year and wore a cloth mask on the back of a motorbike through Kathmandu every day. Every night I washed it out and the water turned black.
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