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Abelardlindsey
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With natural infection you ALSO get T-cell recognition. I have NO IDEA if you do with these vaccines. As far as I know they never tested for it, and that's ****ing stupid too, because even without an antibody titer if you DO have T-cell recognition the odds of a severe infection are very, very low.


I was going to ask why the covid-19 tests that are supposed to show that you had the infection before do not test for T-cell recognition in addition to the antibodies. Is the because its hard and expensive to test for T-cell recognition? Or is it simply institutional laziness on their part that they did not consider this important? This seems to me a rather major oversight on their behalf.
Tickerguy
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It's quite expensive (and slow) compared to an antibody test.

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Purplefang
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It looks to me like they decided from the beginning to get the vaccines out as fast as possible so they devised the test strategy to likely give them green lights. If it produces antibodies that all the proof they needed to say it works. While the many experts have differences over the consequences most agree it was a bad idea to go this fast. People who had great immunity from past exposures will now have an additional antibody which may be better at causing autoimmune issues than stopping the virus.

I wonder if the side effects will get worse with each booster shot. More people will become sensitized to the vaccine components.
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There's no way to know.

What I DO know is that if this goes sideways given the stupidity with which we've jabbed tens of millions, likely half or more of the nation before the ugly comes, the reprisals will be ridiculous and unstoppable. There has never been ANYTHING like that in America and perhaps never in the world.

There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional nor a SINGLE person who advocated for these jabs will be safe as once some cop's WIFE or KID falls over as a result of ADE and they know they took the jab and thus are next with nothing they can do about it the fragging will start IMMEDIATELY. Oh sure, not all of the people who have that happen to them will blow a fuse but a VERY decent percentage will and there's no way to know WHO will in advance.

Ditto for the military but there it's even worse because they have a hell of a lot "better" than a sidearm.

It will NOT matter if the source is natural mutation or a deliberate release of the "second Covid" from China or elsewhere. The collapse of social order, reason and the economy will be essentially instantaneous and total.

This bull**** is a literal "bet your society" game and they ARE stupid enough to have done it.

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Abelardlindsey
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This is known as the berserker phenomenon.
Purplefang
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ADE makes all the other concerns seem trivial. Do I still need a vaccine passport?
Fumei
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There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional nor a SINGLE person who advocated for these jabs will be safe

People with the same surnames as the guilty will be in danger, too, even though their last common ancestor may have died more than a couple of centuries ago. These unfortunate innocents would become targets of opportunity if they real target is not available for attack. Friendly or neutral neighbours of the guilty would also be in danger of attack, since they may unwittingly possess information useful for an attack on the guilty.
Burya_rubenstein
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There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional



I can live with that. In fact, due to the utter stupidity around me (About 99% of the people I'm in contact with around here are getting the Jab) I'm hoping to effectively become Omega Man. (I'm also hoping that enough people in the military have the wit and the time to destroy everything in China that can launch an aircraft, spacecraft, or watercraft.)
Bagbalm
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Not to mention that if there is a huge die-off anyone who looks faintly Asian will be targeted by mobs.
Schnocky
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Just saw an article on CNBS that says "Pfizer said its coronavirus vaccine was 100% effective in preventing Covid-19 in children ages 12 to 15"

So this reduces their chance from 0.001% to 0%?

Am I missing something?
Jack_crabb
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Doubtful. Lamestream media continue their lies. They make Goebbles look like a rank amateur.

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Reformedhippy
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Why does the propaganda machine insist on pushing these hyperbolic narratives that can't possibly be defended as true? And still the plebs don't question it? To rub our noses in the Mockingbird mind **** we live in? 100% safe and effective in adolescents. Most secure election in history with zero evidence of voter fraud. Seriously.
Bodhi
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Why does the propaganda machine insist on pushing these hyperbolic narratives that can't possibly be defended as true?


That's long been one of my peeves, the indiscriminate use of absolute terms. Best, worst, forever, never, greatest, etc. In this life there are no absolutes, but hyperbole is now the rallying cry of the day.

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