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Abelardlindsey
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With natural infection you ALSO get T-cell recognition. I have NO IDEA if you do with these vaccines. As far as I know they never tested for it, and that's ****ing stupid too, because even without an antibody titer if you DO have T-cell recognition the odds of a severe infection are very, very low.


I was going to ask why the covid-19 tests that are supposed to show that you had the infection before do not test for T-cell recognition in addition to the antibodies. Is the because its hard and expensive to test for T-cell recognition? Or is it simply institutional laziness on their part that they did not consider this important? This seems to me a rather major oversight on their behalf.

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Tickerguy
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It's quite expensive (and slow) compared to an antibody test.

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Purplefang
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It looks to me like they decided from the beginning to get the vaccines out as fast as possible so they devised the test strategy to likely give them green lights. If it produces antibodies that all the proof they needed to say it works. While the many experts have differences over the consequences most agree it was a bad idea to go this fast. People who had great immunity from past exposures will now have an additional antibody which may be better at causing autoimmune issues than stopping the virus.

I wonder if the side effects will get worse with each booster shot. More people will become sensitized to the vaccine components.
Tickerguy
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There's no way to know.

What I DO know is that if this goes sideways given the stupidity with which we've jabbed tens of millions, likely half or more of the nation before the ugly comes, the reprisals will be ridiculous and unstoppable. There has never been ANYTHING like that in America and perhaps never in the world.

There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional nor a SINGLE person who advocated for these jabs will be safe as once some cop's WIFE or KID falls over as a result of ADE and they know they took the jab and thus are next with nothing they can do about it the fragging will start IMMEDIATELY. Oh sure, not all of the people who have that happen to them will blow a fuse but a VERY decent percentage will and there's no way to know WHO will in advance.

Ditto for the military but there it's even worse because they have a hell of a lot "better" than a sidearm.

It will NOT matter if the source is natural mutation or a deliberate release of the "second Covid" from China or elsewhere. The collapse of social order, reason and the economy will be essentially instantaneous and total.

This bull**** is a literal "bet your society" game and they ARE stupid enough to have done it.

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Abelardlindsey
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This is known as the berserker phenomenon.

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Purplefang
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ADE makes all the other concerns seem trivial. Do I still need a vaccine passport?
Fumei
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There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional nor a SINGLE person who advocated for these jabs will be safe

People with the same surnames as the guilty will be in danger, too, even though their last common ancestor may have died more than a couple of centuries ago. These unfortunate innocents would become targets of opportunity if they real target is not available for attack. Friendly or neutral neighbours of the guilty would also be in danger of attack, since they may unwittingly possess information useful for an attack on the guilty.
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There will be exactly ZERO police departments or other agencies that will be functional



I can live with that. In fact, due to the utter stupidity around me (About 99% of the people I'm in contact with around here are getting the Jab) I'm hoping to effectively become Omega Man. (I'm also hoping that enough people in the military have the wit and the time to destroy everything in China that can launch an aircraft, spacecraft, or watercraft.)
Bagbalm
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Not to mention that if there is a huge die-off anyone who looks faintly Asian will be targeted by mobs.
Schnocky
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Just saw an article on CNBS that says "Pfizer said its coronavirus vaccine was 100% effective in preventing Covid-19 in children ages 12 to 15"

So this reduces their chance from 0.001% to 0%?

Am I missing something?
Jack_crabb
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Doubtful. Lamestream media continue their lies. They make Goebbles look like a rank amateur.

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Reformedhippy
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Why does the propaganda machine insist on pushing these hyperbolic narratives that can't possibly be defended as true? And still the plebs don't question it? To rub our noses in the Mockingbird mind **** we live in? 100% safe and effective in adolescents. Most secure election in history with zero evidence of voter fraud. Seriously.
Bodhi
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Why does the propaganda machine insist on pushing these hyperbolic narratives that can't possibly be defended as true?


That's long been one of my peeves, the indiscriminate use of absolute terms. Best, worst, forever, never, greatest, etc. In this life there are no absolutes, but hyperbole is now the rallying cry of the day.

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Mabman
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61-Year-Old Woman Living Near Wuhan Lab May Have Been 'Patient Zero' - Three Weeks Before CCP Claims First Case
BY TYLER DURDEN
MONDAY, MAY 31, 2021 - 07:30 PM


https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/61-ye....
Jesjohn94
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A very detailed post but no one in authority gives a **** about facts and nothing will stop the push to give experimental vaccines to everyone.
Tsherry
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Anecdotal information that is interesting, but no one gives a crap at this point.

They want you injected, sterile, and dead.

Nothing else matters to them.

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Poer
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lpp

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Damn Karl! That is a lot of writing. I'm going to respond to the early part.

The whole story, by Fauci and his band of NAZI's. This was an intentional mess, not a pandemic. The idea 4 million people have immunity, by December 2019 tells a big story of fraud and outright murder.

Take yourself back to the beginning, of the effort. Seems the death rate against cases was running around 5%. We already know that many of the cases were false positives, so they were actually killing a higher percentage. If 4 million people had it by December, how many had it by March? It would stand to reason, another 20 million or so.

Let's drop the later figure and look at the former. One of the things I did in 2020 was look at annual death figures to get an idea how large the death toll really was. 2019 was a low death year. Where are the fatalities you would expect from 4 million cases? Based on results, where there was treatment, we should have had a minimum, of 200,000 deaths show up, another 15,000 a week, for the last quarter. If you look at the death figures, they are not there. Nor are they there, for January or February 2020.

They had a planning for pandemic meeting, with Gates and company, in NYC, in October 2019, to plan their response, complete, with a plan, for propaganda. The list, of these people need to be acquired and a Grand Jury needs to be set up to gather data and indict every one, of them, for conspiring to run a terror campaign, racketeering and genocide. This thing was clearly to subdue the population of the Western world and bilk trillions of future income from the general population.

The December data tells me 2 things. One is, this wasn't any more deadly virus than the flu and the hospital protocols were designed to inflate the death toll be a large multiple. How could both of these fact not be true, in light, of the fact that there were 4 million unnoticed infections and recoveries, without a death spike. From what I understand, this is nearly a scientific impossibly.

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Mannfm11
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I'm going to double down, on the above, since I was in a restaurant, eating and using my phone, with no access to data. This is a smoking gun Karl, if the 4 million estimate is even close to the ballpark, where are the deaths? They aren't, in the data. Since there was a bad flu going around, people would have never known, unless the flu and CV19 produced the same antibodies. I had theorized early that something contagious could travel around airports, in mass, before we knew it. A fool would know they couldn't put this genie back, in the bottle.

These are the death figures for the last 13 weeks of 2017 and 2019 respectively. I used 2017, because the fall/winter of 2018 had a light death toll. Deaths, for the last quarter of 2017 were 762,898. The last quarter of 2019, 774,977. The difference can be fitted into demographic aging and not statistically different. If you include the first 9 weeks, of the following year. the tallies are 1,320,302, for 2017-2018 and 1,308,113, for 2019-2020.

There were actually more deaths, in 2017-2018, than 2019-2020, despite the H1N1 and CV19. Isn't there something wrong with this picture? I think there is plenty wrong with it, even is reality is there was only .75% of the population infected, instead, of 1.5%

When did people start dying? When the government brought in the protocols and hospitals started treating, for CV19. I think this is a smoking gun. Where are the deaths, between Oct 2019 and early March, 2020? Why has the death toll been so high, in the USA, compared to somewhere, like Singapore, which at one point posted 50 deaths out of 50,000 cases. One out of 1000 versus 1 out of 50 or less? There can only be 3 reasons, medical treatment, or the cases, in Singapore were inflated or they were more selective, in counting deaths, not labelling every death a CV19 casualty.

There are differences between Singapore and US society. Society, in Singapore was already highly controlled. Not so much, in the USA. It is against the law of the land to treat Americans in the fashion people, in Singapore might be treated. Is this the goal? To usurp, through voluntary compliance, American freedom?

This still doesn't create the hammer, used to achieve compliance. Deaths create the hammer, and the more the merrier. WHERE ARE THE DEATHS, FOR 4 MILLION CASES, PRIOR TO JANUARY 2020? The deaths are missing, unlike the next 13 weeks, when deaths, for the earlier year were 700,828 against 861,947. Shouldn't we have seen a substantial fraction, of the 180,000 additional deaths, in the prior 22 weeks?

Isn't there something wrong with a picture, where deaths only appeared, once they started treating the disease? Maybe John Cullen's story it has been H1N1 all along, but those deaths are contained in the earlier figures as well.

There are 3 things I gather from everything I have seen. One, this disease, if it kills anyone, kills the already sick, in some fashion. Two, it is harder to catch than promoted, for most people, where it gets one extremely sick, especially, if they have no comorbidities. Third, the real death toll was created, by the hospitals and the CDC treatment protocols. Why else did the deaths not show up, until the CV19 specific treatments start? Despite this, the CDC has never changed its protocols. There is zero evidence it was killing anyone prior to the second week, in March 2020.

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Mjeff87
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Nope.....nothing to see here. We'll just make a little mention about this, because we have to. Pay no attention to it.

(apologies for the Yahoo! (TM) source in advance)

Jeff

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