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2021-03-27 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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  • This virus was newly discovered in January of 2020. FALSE; Judicial watch has now proved that Fauci and the NIH knew that Covid-19 was diagnosed no later than December 2nd 2019 in Wuhan.  This was deliberately concealed under confidentiality agreements between China and the NIH.  In short Dr. Fauci and the NIH knowingly and repeatedly lied about the time of first discovery and diagnosis and it is documented that this was known in February and early March and not disclosed.  We also now know with scientific certainty that the virus was in the US no later than the second week of December of 2019 because antibodies were found in about 1.5% of blood donations from that time.  This, along with the sequencing back-computation I performed in early 2020 places the latest the virus entered the US as sometime in October of 2019 and from the blood bank data it is scientifically proved it had infected about 1.5% of the population, or roughly 4 million people in the US, by the second week of December 2019.  This in turn means that we had widespread disease which was blamed on something else. Indeed we handled all 4 million of those cases just fine up until the hysteria started, didn't we?  You didn't even know those 4 million sick people, and those who died of it, existed prior to the hysteria being ginned up.

  • 15 days will slow the spread"If we all stay home and minimize contact for 15 days -- including closing businesses, schools and not traveling -- Covid will be under control and we can trace infections and stop it."  FALSE and we now know impossible because the virus was already all over the country on an uncontrolled basis by that time and the NIH knew the virus had been circulating for at least a month earlier than they admitted at the time.  It is true that if you immediately slam your borders shut 100% you can trace and quarantine yourself out of a transmissible epidemic -- at the cost of essentially all external trade, travel and tourism.  But Fauci factually knew when we started that this was impossible because the virus had been spreading here for at least two months at the time and we hadn't done a thing about it for those two months.  We were later to learn it was four months and perhaps longer.

  • If you give us 30 more days (remember, this is now six weeks to slow the spread) it'll work. FALSE AGAIN for the same reason; the NIH and Fauci knew there was no possible way to contain the virus when the original 15 days expired as he knew, factually, that the virus had been uncontained for at least three months.

  • But the lockdowns and restrictions worked to save lives! Nope; this is called the "exception fallacy" and now a peer-reviewed journal entry demonstrates it.   We knew this early on too; indeed for five decades we've had "pandemic response plans" that make clear that once you have widespread community dispersion of an infectious agent attempting to lock down people or impose any other sort of non-pharmaceutical intervention is futile and causes harm.  We ignored said decades of hard-won experience -- intentionally.

  • We don't have enough ventilators!  FALSE; not one of the DPA-produced ones was ever needed; NY's Governor lied and had plenty of them, as did everyone else.

  • Ventilators not only are needed they will save lives.  FALSE; they killed nearly everyone put on one then, and still do.  We knew they didn't work in February as they killed 95% of the people put on then in Wuhan and this had been reported out by March.

  • This is mostly a community-spread disease in places like stores, bars, restaurants, churches, concerts and the local city street.  FALSE; the CDC itself documented that more than half of all transmission was happening in homes and the next largest, and only other statistically material spread was occurring in industrial (e.g. meat packing) plants and health care settingsNashville suppressed the fact that they could only trace about one percent of infections to social businesses such as bars and restaurants and now the CDC itself has stated that less than 1% of spread is traceable to such public venues as restaurants and bars.  In other words we knew by late spring of 2020 the restrictions, including business closures, school shutdowns and masks couldn't work as that's not where the virus was spreading; we couldn't shut down the industrial plants without starving the population and destroying both energy production and sanitary services leading to an immediate societal and economic collapse.  Nor could we invade every house and forcibly segment positive-tested people either; we had neither the resources nor would they get away with it without the cops and government goons being turned into swiss cheese.  And when it comes to health care we could have segregated Covid-19 facilities and the people working in care homes but intentionally did not.

  • Asymptomatic transmission is a major risk.  FALSE.  Over millions of contacts traced in China not one was ever proved to be from an asymptomatic person.  There has never been scientific evidence that asymptomatic spread has been material in any pandemic through history and there is no documented evidence of material asymptomatic spread for Covid-19 in the US or anywhere else.  Worse, symptomatic persons least able to afford to call out sick due to lack of paid sick time or even the threat of being fired are those in low-wage and high-contact jobs such as fast food, grocery, meatpacking and other "essential" service industries never mind care home employees who are poorly paid and often moonlight in home health care among extremely vulnerable people.

  • We had no way to stop the nursing home deaths and did the best we could.  FALSE.  I pointed out immediately after Kirkland occurred that isolating the employees from all general public interaction, effectively creating a bubble, would stop nearly all of the transmission into these environments.  We happened to have a lot of empty hotels at the time too.  Yes, we would have had to pay significant bonuses to entice employees to go nowhere other than that hotel room and to work but we could have, and if we did it would have saved nearly 50% of those who died in the first four months.  Not one so-called "expert" demanded or even suggested doing so but I was calling for exactly this in March of 2020.  This, of course leaves aside the various Executive Orders that intentionally seeded the virus into nursing homes in multiple states by multiple Governors.  Indeed even this winter in still-locked-down New York there was still no segregation of employees and residents were killed in size by infection brought into the care home by employees.  Recent small case number spikes have been associated with vaccine distribution.  How's that possible?  There's only one rational explanation: The health care workers are giving the virus to the patients getting the shot!  And yet we are still told that all these people are "heroes" and don't you dare forget it.

  • We didn't -- and don't -- have early treatment options that work.  FALSE; Japan spent their effort on early treatment and keeping people out of hospitals.  They have roughly a third of our population and only 8,000 dead people.  Japan is far more-dense population-wise than us yet did a hell of a lot better despite having a materially older population.  What Japan didn't do, in short, is spread the disease via their health care workers.  In short if you went to the hospital you were likely to die; this has proved out in my own county in Tennessee with a >60% death rate.  Up until we started with the panic porn -- the entire first three months of this outbreak in the US until March of 2020 -- we did fine too despite the virus being literally everywhere for months.   We in fact knew of several early treatment candidate drugs, all cheap and available, in March of 2000 and exactly zero of them were investigated by the NIH, CDC or any of the so-called "public health" institutions such as Vanderbilt, IHME, Johns Hopkins and others.  Those physicians and even hospital systems who did investigate them on their own were derogated, attacked and in some cases even threatened with license suspensions and other sanctions which continue to this day.

  • Age is the primary determinant of risk.  FALSE; obesity and the panoply of health conditions caused and exacerbated by being a fat-ass is the primary determinant of risk.  Nations with lower obesity prevalence have a ten times lower or better risk of death from Covid-19 on a per-100,000 population basis.  Obesity is in each and every instance a lifestyle choice.  This was known very early on in the NY Coroner data which is updated frequently; only six persons 75 and older have died of Covid without one of a relatively short list of underlying conditions -- and over 10,500 died with one or more.  Simply put most of those who died deliberately put themselves in a medically compromised condition through their own lifestyle choices just a person who drinks too much and ruins their liver decided to drink.  Absent those personal lifestyle decisions the death rate from this disease, while certainly not zero, is approximately half as likely as death due to an automobile accident over a year's time.  Read here -- this is exactly what I pointed out one year ago.  Who's been right on this -- and who's been wrong?

  • Existing drugs will not work and we have no existing treatments until you're hospitalized; we must develop new treatments and vaccines.  FALSE.  The data is that ivermectin works, among others.  A trial out of Australia conducted in Britain (they locked everything in and did not have enough people in Australia who were sick) showed Budesonide (a cheap inhaled steroid used for asthma) works if given immediately when someone becomes symptomatic.  The latter trial was stopped because it was ruled unethical to not give the controls the medicine since it prevented ninety percent of hospitalizations.  Ivermectin has worked in every trial run thus far except one recently reported study the authors themselves state cannot prove effectiveness as the necessary deterioration in cases to do so was violated to the downside immediately, possibly due to widespread community use of the drug.  The data on HCQ says it works if used early but appears to be worthless if not used until you're in the hospital.  Remdesivir, which has an EUA, was disproved -- that is, shown worthless in a very large trial called "Solidarity" (along with several other drugs) and yet is still being used as it is on-patent and expensive No drug works 100% of the time nor should it be expected to, but we should damn well not continue to use drugs that are proved worthless just because they cost $3,000 and the FDA issued an EUA for them.  Deliberately not treating people until they're choking to death is monstrous and has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, many if not most of them avoidable at a cost of a few dollars.

  • Masks are the best tool we have to stop the spread and, if you just wear them for a few -- 4, 6, 8 weeks -- we will have Covid under control  Stated under oath before Congress by the CDC's director in September following multiple previous statements over a two month period in the summer by the CDC and NIH which urged (and got) the issuance of mandates.  FALSE and known false as Hawaii took a ten times case rate spike a month after their mandate.  This was known before Redfield perjured himself before Congress.  There are ZERO states which did not take a monstrous spike in the winter despite mandates including California with the most-strict lockdowns and mask mandates in the nation.  Compliance via multiple surveys has been around 90% with no evidence of effectiveness anywhere against non-mandate states and counties next door.  Those states including South Dakota and Florida who repudiated the mandates or refused to issue them in the first place had identical or better outcomes than the states and locales that imposed them.  The CDC has now itself published a MMWR (weekly report) in which they "claim" masks work -- their definition of "work" is a shockingly tiny decrease in death and case rates and this assumes you ignore the confounding elements in their study that could invalidate even that tiny impact.  Their "study" also deliberately did not include the control counties (where there were no mandates); if you did, for example, Blount .v. Sevier, it would be obvious that the curve in fact was worse in the mandate county in many cases.  In other words despite the nearly year-long and continual screaming about masks even the CDC itself now states that out of the 500,000 dead statistically no lives were saved at best, they deliberately ignored the control counties and further, statistically-speaking it is entirely possible zero lives were saved.  REMEMBER, WE WERE TOLD IN THE SUMMER AND EARLY FALL THAT MASKS WOULD ABSOLUTELY CONTROL THE VIRUS -- NOT JUST SLIGHTLY REDUCE CASES -- AND IN FACT THE CDC STATED UNDER OATH THAT MASKS WERE BETTER PROTECTION THAN A VACCINE.  THIS LIE WAS REPEATED FOR MONTHS AND IS STILL BEING REPEATED TODAY.  This wasn't a random statement made "off the cuff" it was made under oath to Congress five months ago and has, over time and by the data, been conclusively proved to be a lie.

  • The new strains will cause another spike even worse than the last one FALSE; this was stated originally in the fall and repeated in December through February and yet since then cases have dropped like a stone despite these "new strains" becoming more and more prevalent.  Florida in particular has documented widespread prevalence of one of the "demon strains" that were trumpeted in Fauci's fear porn.  There has been no spike.  Incidentally viruses mutate all the time; within the first few months there were hundreds of distinct viral RNA strains of Covid-19 known and that was only of the infections sequenced -- a tiny minority.  If our actions do lead to new strains (specifically our ridiculously-unsound mass-vaccination campaign) and viral evasion occurs you may well be more screwed if you took the vaccine due to ADE than if you did not!

  • The Super Bowl will cause a huge case, hospitalization and death spike in Florida due to the ridiculously crowded parties and no masks in bars and similar all over the Tampa area.  In fact the mayor threatened to arrest people for exactly this reason (an empty threat as the Governor had banned enforceability of said mandates.)  FALSE; there has been no spike.  Look for yourself; it's been over a month and cases, hospitalizations and deaths are all falling.  Where's the spike?

  • Texas dropping its mask order will lead to mass-disease and death.  FALSE; there has been no spike at all.  Biden called the move "Neanderthal thinking" and predicted disaster, as did California's Newsom among myriad others, both among political leaders and so-called "medical experts" such as Fauci.  Multiple lefties claimed that "there is no limit to how far Republicans will go to kill people."  The truth is that Covid-19 cases fell by 28% in the next two weeks.  The histrionics were, once again, wrong.

  • If we social distance and wear masks we will buy enough time for the vaccines to be developed and approved.  FALSE.  The case and hospitalization rate on a national basis peaked and was falling before the first jab went in the first arm.  That which you do after something happens cannot be the cause.  Simply put the vaccines did not stop any of the death; despite the lack of testing and rushed approvals they came too late.

  • The only people who count for "herd immunity" are those vaccinated.  FALSE; never in history has such a lie been propagated for any disease, ever, anywhere.  The CDC by its own estimates puts the lower boundary of persons infected and recovered at over 1/3rd of the nation and that's their lowest estimate.  By more-reasonable belief the number is over half.  Those people have immunity and absolutely count.  Further, we knew in the first months that a material percentage of the population has pre-existing resistance to some degree, likely due to previous infection with other coronaviruses.  This is why the case rate peaked before fully-vaccinated persons existed in the US; there is no other possible explanation.

  • Even if you've had the disease and recovered you should get vaccinated.  There is zero science behind this claim.  If you've had the measles or Chicken Pox would you take a vaccine against either?  I certainly would not and have not; that would be pointless and stupid.  The claim that there is no durable protection once infected is nothing more than conjecture; note that coronaviruses circulate among us all the time and while immunity may not be perfect (e.g. eventually you may well get it again) the odds are extremely high that if you do it will be a mild case and of no clinical or personal significance.  Suggesting that you take the risk of an experimental vaccine if you were previously infected is wildly inappropriate; there is no such thing as a drug without risk and there is zero scientific evidence that your acquired immunity will not protect you against serious disease.

  • Even if you've been vaccinated or had the disease and recovered you should wear a mask and distance from others.  FALSE, unless you believe the vaccines are worthless.  If you believe the vaccine protects the person who takes it then you no longer need a mask or to distance and since others can choose to take a vaccine or not you have no reason to wear a mask or distance for allegedly protecting others either.  If you do not believe the vaccines are effective protection then why did you take it?  In short you either believe that you gain immunity by vaccination or infection or you do not; if you do then there's no reason for you to take any measures beyond either recovery or completion of the vaccination.  Further, if you don't believe infection and recovery provides meaningful and durable protection then neither will the vaccine so the same scenario applies to both cases and if you do not then believe the shots are protective then you are stupid for accepting them.

These are the very same people folks -- the NIH, the CDC, State Departments of Health, Fauci, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, IHME, Vanderbilt and many more who now tell you after a solid year of unbroken lies and falsehoods that the vaccines are both safe and effective while at the same time our government has provided a 100% waiver of all liability to the pharmaceutical companies that developed and manufactured them.

I note that unlike the other common vaccines that are safe and effective, and which took 10+ years to so-prove, the mechanism of action of these shots are wildly different; they use only part of the virus and rather than introduce it into your body they hijack your cellular metabolism to produce the spike protein exactly as would a replicating infection with the virus, but since only the "spike" is there rather than the entire virus the hypothesis is that hijacking your cellular metabolism in this fashion will not hurt you.  While for other vaccines the immunity produced is metabolically identical to infection because a killed whole virus that cannot replicate is used in this case the shots deliberately cause replication in your body of only one part of the virus, the spike protein.  This is not identical to the broad immunity provided by natural infection because it can't be with this approach; if the entire virus was used you'd get the disease and it would be systemic in every case instead of localized to your upper respiratory tract.  Further, unlike a killed virus vaccine that cannot replicate in your body at all these shots all cause production of the spike protein by your cells exactly as would an infection and that production is systemic since it is given by injection and thus circulates through the body.

The safety of this approach is unproved and in fact the rate of deaths closely associated with these vaccines is wildly higher than that associated with any of the other routinely given vaccinations including flu and chicken pox.  The intermediate and longer-term effects of this approach including the possibility of long-term or even permanent damage as a result of systemically hijacking your cellular metabolism to produce that foreign protein are unknown.

Unlike a mask you can remove you cannot un-take a shot and the litany of those previous lies killed over 400,000 Americans who otherwise would not have died.

What if their statements are false this time, specifically on safety?  What if viral evasion shows up as did during early trials for a SARS vaccine in animals, trials that were abandoned and not performed for these preparations?  It typically takes ten years to know if a candidate vaccine produces unacceptable side effects including lifetime disability due to immune dysfunction, never mind exactly how effective it is and for how long.  Further, the media and these people continually claim that nobody has been killed by these vaccines yet VAERS, the CDC's own reporting data which is public, shows roughly two thousand associated deaths.  The number of associated deaths with the annual flu shot from last year's flu vaccination which shipped roughly 170 million doses, was twenty-six.

That means the Covid-19 shots are associated thus far with roughly seventy five times (7,500%) as many deaths as last year's entire set of flu vaccines!  Remember that we give flu vaccines to old and morbid people just like the first priority for Covid-19 vaccines, so these should produce similar "associated" rates of bad events if they are similarly safe.

VAERS reporting is voluntary and thus always under-reports vaccine-associated events.  Association does not establish causation but a pattern of 75 times as many deaths as are associated with another commonly-given vaccine in the same population group damn well ought to raise anyone's eyebrows; to claim that such does not represent a "safety signal" is a flat-out lie.

I remind you that the false statements of alleged facts outnumber, by a wild margin, the true ones particularly when it comes to things you were told to do that "would work" to stem the spread of this virus.  Every single one of those claims has been proved false over time.

In short you're now being exhorted to believe a cadre of people and government agencies who are proved repeated liars and to trust them with your life after their previous lies killed your mother.

The facts are that Covid-19 basically burned itself out before the first shot went in the first arm and that none of the mitigating factors prevented net deaths from occurring; in fact all these mitigations, from mask orders to lockdowns to closing businesses and others caused more deaths due to ODs, suicides, avoidable heart attacks and strokes not screened for and other maladies by a wide factor than the mitigations, even using fatally flawed claims taken on faith by these very same agencies, could have possibly saved.  The actions we could have taken to actually reduce death, specifically as regards care home and other medical facilities we deliberately refused to do and we knew those actions would save lives.  Instead of protecting the most-vulnerable while those least-likely to be seriously harmed were naturally infected and built a wall of population immunity we deliberately refused to protect those older and sicker people from infection via the health care system and they died.

Given this record of falsehoods, actions and intentional refusals to act you're willing to bet your life they're telling the truth this time?

Even without full testing there may be reason for certain people to accept the vaccine, particularly those at specifically-high risk who have not had the virus.  However, on the data if you are not specifically morbid in known ways the risk of death from Covid-19, by the CDC's own data along with that of the NY coroner, is approximately 3/100,000.  From the associated deaths in the CDC's own VAERS system it appears the vaccines are approximately as dangerous to materially more dangerous than the disease in non-morbid individuals and that is without having any data on intermediate and longer-term effects which can only add to those risks.  Further, if you've already been infected with Covid-19 you already have broad immunity and there is zero scientific evidence that vaccination can be of any value to you whatsoever.

When do we stop allowing people like Fauci, the CDC, Joe Biden, Donald Trump and Governors along with various health departments to lie through their teeth about virtually everything related to this virus?

Is not your dead Grandmother enough reason to put a stop to this horseshit -- and all who support it?

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Mjc1960 358 posts, incept 2015-02-28
2021-03-27 08:55:20

A tour de force Karl

I suspected for a while that I had COVID back in Dec 2019. Now I am more convinced.

I was worried about COVID early on, but by spring of 2020 I reversed on that.
Thanks to you and other truth seekers I have tried to live my life normally while the rest of the world cowered. It's not easy when everyone around you is buying the propaganda.

I think this is almost over, if the vaccine doesn't make things worse.
Chromehill 1k posts, incept 2010-03-03
2021-03-27 09:17:33

Where are the media and various congress critters calling out the great Fauci on his non-disclosure? The little shit lied and knew all demands to lockdown could not work since the bug had been in the USA for 4 to 6 months, yet he urged their implementation.

Well we know where the media is, the Democrats and Swamp's back pocket judging from the farce of a Biden press conference when he had all the questions.

Rand Paul, why don't you hit Fauci with these facts.

Grear summation of the scam Ticker Guy.

'Power, like the reproductive muscle, longs to be exercised, often without judgement or right' - Gerry Spence

"Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers
Njca 274 posts, incept 2018-10-16
2021-03-27 09:17:48

Where is Susan Powter when you need her?

Let's think about the insanity in this fear porn article:

"A clinical vaccine trial in South Africa showed that people in the placebo group who had previously been infected with one strain had no immunity against its mutated descendant and became reinfected."
(Andreas Kluth - ass wipe. We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic.

First, dead men make poor placebo groups. The obvious fact is that these previously infected placebo group study participants survived an earlier COVID19 infection just fine, without an mRNA vaccination. In fact, assuming that they lacked cross-reactive immunity from a common cold virus, or even if they did have it, their immune systems did what it always does - recognized the virus and controlled it. Their bodies did not know what strain the virus was. And so if they are infected with a new strain, whether they have cross-reactive immunity or not from previous exposure, their immune systems will control the virus. If not, we'd all be dead by now.

Second the method used in the cited study was the so-called viral neutralization assay, which delivers incomplete data on immune responsiveness, but which nonetheless allows for the propagation of irresponsible alarmist fear porn, seemingly based upon hard scientific data.

Viral neutralization assays - You incubate the plasma from a naturally (so-called convalescent plasma) or vaccine immunized individual with virus of interest, and you assay whether the antibodies in the serum block the virus from infecting a model cell line, in vitro, usually in a microwell plate of similar format. All that is determined is the antibodies' ability to block infectivity. This is only one way that the immune response works, and so it is a facile, artificial, dare I say lazy way to test vaccine "efficacy." It is archaic methodology. It misses the cellular immune response to the virus, both antibody-independent and also antibody-dependent.

Antibody-independent cellular immune response - front-line natural immunity is provided by natural killer cells, which can recognize foreign invaders and take steps to neutralize them. Prior exposure not required. If not, a new pathogen would have wiped out humanity. It is an evolutionary adaptation.

Antibody-dependent cellular immune response - Antibodies, whether natural immunity IgM antibodies that exist before having encountered a novel pathogen, else we'd have been wiped out long ago, or IgG and IgM antibodies developed in response to the encounter of a novel pathogen, so-called adaptive immunity, bind the virus infected cells. Other cells, like macrophages (big eaters), see the tail end of the antibody which is bound to the virally infected cells, and gobble up these cells, preventing the virus from completing the replication cycle and releasing its spawn. This is known as ADCC, antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity. Or NK cells, via a receptor that binds to the tail end of the antibody, and kill the virally infected cells. Or naturally occurring proteins, called complement, bind to the tail end of the antibody, causing lysis of the cells. CDC - complement-dependent cytotoxicity.

Neither the antibody-independent immune response, nor the antibody-dependent cellular immune response are assayed in these lazy-ass neutralization assays. GIGO. And so all they predict is neutralization, but nothing else.

In reality, if humanity lacked robust natural immunity, or effective adaptive immunity, we would not be here today.
Invisiblesun 883 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2021-03-27 09:19:29

Amen, Karl, Amen

The duplicity, deceit & crininality of the politicians, bureaucrats, media & "health professionals" is undeniable. Just take the issue of spread. As you documented & as the data shows the risk of community spread has been exaggerated. Furthermore, the risk of the disease to the general population has been greatly exaggerated.

Yet despite this reality, the "experts" have fostered panic & paranoia. They have deliberately done this to justify their policies and to disrupt society.

And of even greater bewilderment, Just about every institution has gone along with this deceit! Why? I can understand some bought into the fear & delusion. Yet they all went along with it and persist in going along with it!

Peer pressure is real, but it can't explain this uniformity. Not for 12 months! What incentive do corporate & institutional leaders have to "not rock the narrative"? It has to be money. But how was this message conveyed of "comply with the narrative, if you know what's good for you." Did it bubble through insurance companies? Through legal counsel?

Why does Disney persist in requiring & enforcing masks? Why do they openly embrace the false religion & hoax science of masks? Why not give consumers the choice and present the data showing the ineffectiveness of mask mandates? Why do they pick the wrong side? What do they gain by this?

They gain keeping the mafia on their side. They signal they are with the mafia. That seems to be where we are at in the country and world. There is no rule of law, but rule by organized criminal activity.

Purplefang 717 posts, incept 2010-03-28
2021-03-27 09:19:50

THANKS for compiling this damning evidence here.

These people are sick. All the politicians at this point are directly responsible by their failure to stop this. This is a deliberate terrorism and warfare conducted against the people by the government. The cooperation of the corporate media by spreading lies and censoring the truth is totally fascist.
Augeries 436 posts, incept 2019-09-26
2021-03-27 09:20:02

The fact that there is now mathematical proof that the vaccines are as deadly as Covid, if not worse, should be enough to kill these vaccination programs overnight. If only people would do some research. Then again, if people did their own research we wouldn't be dealing with any of these problems because DC would have been turned into a pane of glass decades ago.

The World is Quiet Here.
Purplefang 717 posts, incept 2010-03-28
2021-03-27 10:05:26

@Mjc1960 - It's never over. This is a deliberate act of war. The virus is not the enemy. The virus is just one of many weapons being used against us. Even the vaccine looks more like a weapon than a cure. The enemy most likely already has more bioweapons sitting on the shelf just waiting for the next assault.

Other weapons being used against us are right in our face. The phones and social media companies are delivering your private information right to the enemy. The enemy has opened the border to a flood of ILLEGAL immigration. The enemy has been deliberating promoting racism to divide us. The enemy has been encouraging mob behavior to terrorize us. The enemy has been deliberately letting criminals escape justice to terrorize us. I could find more examples, but I have made my point. This is war.
Mjc1960 358 posts, incept 2015-02-28
2021-03-27 10:05:34

The effectiveness of the mind control impressive.
Virus and immunology is complex and poorly understood.
Perfect tool to coerce by fear.

There are no investigative journalists anywhere in the MSM.
MSM is full of well paid liars. Most people incredulously believe it all.
Few go looking for there own information.

The few that speak truth get smeared and decertified which enforces the smear.
All very neatly done. Down the memory hole it goes.

If they arise again, that's the person who lost their license.

Family has spent 10 days at Disney campground every other year for 40 years.
Canceled reservation this year, damned if I'm walking around in a mask with grandchildren in masks. Going to the beaches instead.
Obseedian 16k posts, incept 2007-07-26
2021-03-27 10:06:30

Also add that it is now almost a certainty that not only was this virus engineered in a Chinese lab, they also tried to create a vaccine for it. And they tried to cover it up by falsifying the data given to other scientists to hide the artificial genomic sequences.

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. - Joseph Stalin
Bigbuzzle 144 posts, incept 2020-03-10
2021-03-27 10:28:03

Great summation of the lies spewed by the "Central Leading Group for Propaganda and Ideology" of the "Party".

A little anecdote to add to the pile: My daughter (19) works as a CNA at a local nursing home. Of the 23 nurses who work there, only three chose to take the vaccine. And there is zero talk about staff having immunity from a previous infection, or antibody tests to determine that. Absolute insanity that these institutions have zero interest in actually preventing the spread via any method other than spending big money on PPE and vaccines. And obviously the health care workers of this country have their own "Mafia Group" aka "Party" aka "Union" who is obviously looking out for the best interest of it's members and nobody else.

Karl, are you following the AstraZeneca debacle? "The Party" is deliberately spreading BS daily, throwing that vaccine under the bus. You'd swear Donald Trump owned that vaccine. I'm pretty sure it's because it only costs a fraction of the other ones, $2 vs. $26 per dose.
Nadavegan 976 posts, incept 2017-05-03
2021-03-27 10:29:17

I heard rumor last night that licensing for the "vaccines" is slated for on or around May 1st. This means that employers and businesses can begin to deny access, since the shot is then deemed "safe".

Curious what people here are planning to do if and when that happens?
Tonythetiger 1k posts, incept 2019-01-27
2021-03-27 10:52:56

Great overview of the ever-compounding lies and stupidity double-downs emanating from our so-called "Leaders". As mentioned previously it is primarily a money game, secondarily a control game for those in positions of power.

As an example of how profitable this is for those who play along ...

I recently came across the 'standard' price list of a local hospital that I downloaded from their website.

That list showed the price of a 3 mg Ivermectin tablet was $61.

So I did a bit of quick math to compare that to a commercial cost of the same drug via our well known horse paste.

Tube of Horse Paste = $3.50

Tube treats 1,250 lb of horse at 0.2 mg/kg, so the tube contains:

1,250 / 2.2 * 0.2 = 113.6 mg of Ivermectin in total

113.6 mg is = 38 pills of 3 mg each

So the hospital bill for one tube-worth of Ivermectin would be:

38 x $61 = $2,318.00

Hospital charge: $2.318.00

Tractor Supply charge: $3.50

You can literally buy 662 tubes of Ivermectin paste for the same cost as one tube-worth of pills from the hospital. (Not that the hospital would ever use Ivermectin, but you get the point.)

Medicine in general has become nothing more than a life extending extortion racket in this day and age. The exceptions to that observation exist, but they are hard to find and becoming more so as time goes by. This has also been well documented by TG in numerous posts regarding the mathematically certain implosion of medicaid/medicare in the not-too-distant future.

The only thing likely to change that is a complete implosion of the current medical/political structure to the point where everything has to start over. Until competence becomes the underlying basis of cost, there is no way to return to sanity. The beatings will increase until morale improves.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin

You can vote your way into Communism, but you have to
Ajkalian 239 posts, incept 2015-09-16
2021-03-27 10:55:28

In order for masks to be "effective", you need to follow a specific set of protocols.
1:) The mask need to be at least N95 and without a valve.
2.) The mask is only to be used daily then must be discarded
3.) If the mask is removed it must be discarded
4.) Immediately after the mask i remove through hand washing is required.

How many of these are followed by the people walking into Home Depot or Walmart? I'll tell you. None of them are followed. And that makes masks by and large useless .

Here's a question I posed to some of my mask wearing friends....
Say you are at a bus stop waiting for a bus and it begins to rain. The person next to you opens up their umbrella to protect them from the rain. You have a had and rain gear so you don't bother. The guy next to you demands that you open up your umbrella. Huh? You ask him why? He says to protect him from getting wet.

That's how nuts the mask wearing mandate is. If they protect you against transmission and getting it, why do you care whether or not I wear a mask.

Another big omission by the MSM is perspective. They say the vaccines are 95% effective, but none of them go into any detail as to how they arrived at that figure.

Another thing the MSM doesn't point out is that the infection rate as well as the death rate are much lower if you do nothing. It would be even less had the Cycle Threshold be a more realistic 25 instead of 40. And Florida was the first to realize the distortion a large CT caused and mandated that it be reported.

See attached for the breakdown by state, of infections and death, expressed as a percentage of the population. Not just the raw numbers as reported by the MSM>

Mjc1960 358 posts, incept 2015-02-28
2021-03-27 10:59:49

@ Nadavegan
Approval of vaccine will remove the experimental stigma.

Only mass civil disobedience will make a difference.
But too many people are begging for the vaccine.
Many over a debt barrel working for big corp.

Susan Wiki of Youtube brags that they have removed over 8 million videos.
Countering the narrative is an uphill battle.

So many social battles going on right now. Confusion reigns.

I think the most important thing to defend is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. HR-1 is unconstitutional on it's face.
We need an assertion of the 10th amendment by the states.

Where are the lawyers defending the people from the government overreach?
The bar association is a corrupt system of control.

Saw some interesting videos on people asserting common law rights opposing the current legal systems authority. Curious to see how this turns out.

So many people just seem to get in line when they see one. Most people voluntarily give up their rights because they don't understand that they have any. Too many order followers getting in line to commit another atrocity.

Tonythetiger 1k posts, incept 2019-01-27
2021-03-27 11:00:27


Phase 3 Safety trials don't conclude until January 2023. Successfully passing the Phase 3 trials is required before the vaccine can be licensed per statutory and regulatory requirements.

Of course those statutes and regulations can be changed by Congress at any time, but for the moment it appears that 2023 is the earliest to expect a licensing decision, and only then if the data show no safety concerns.,%20bl.... short flyer version longer legalese version

Interstingly, the flyer linked above says that ongoing review of VAERS data is part of the safety process. We'll see how the bureaucrats manage to overlook the significantly higher number of adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines compared to the already approved flu shots when the time comes to decide on licensing.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin

You can vote your way into Communism, but you have to
Drifter 2k posts, incept 2016-02-11
2021-03-27 12:53:56

I doubt we will ever know if the vax makes a difference anyway. .gov and their propaganda arm, the msm, are too invested, too corrupt, and too brainwashed and too cowardly to report anything other than the approved party line.

The vax will be a success if you don't get covid after the jab. The vax will be a success if you get covid after the jab and don't die. The vax will be a success if you get the jab and die-- from the jab or from covid. The vax is a success comrade, now get in line.
Indianarube 1k posts, incept 2020-03-22
2021-03-27 12:54:12

Excellent ticker today. Thanks for the facts Karl. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, once folks are brainwashed, I am not certain it's possible to reverse. Obviously once the decision is make to take "the jab", that, and any consequences from that are a done deal. It's hard to fathom a third of the population dieing from ADE or VADE when China has another "accident" at a research facility. It will be an interesting rest of the decade. Roaring twenties indeed.
Weezie 8k posts, incept 2008-05-19
2021-03-27 12:54:17

Great video:

HIGHLY recommend watching.

jihad pressure cooker tea party guns Constitution Bill of Rights play doh squiggly line prepper home garden clusterfuck
Asimov 150k posts, incept 2007-08-26
2021-03-27 12:54:28

I suspected for a while that I had COVID back in Dec 2019. Now I am more convinced

The odds of you having had covid that early are miniscule, lottery winning small. Possible, yes, but almost certainly not.

However, the H1N1 flu variant was all over the place at that time. My family had it and it was very, very nasty, definitely in the top 2 or 3 worst illnesses I've ever had. It replicated most of the symptoms of covid quite well too. This was confirmed by testing.

I've also had covid now, but without the respiratory symptoms, I was lucky. The only way I can confirm this was the total loss of smell that was due to covid. Not stuffy nose "I can't smell good" but clear nose/sinuses and there were simply no odors at all. It was very, vey weird and entirely unmistakable for anything else.

I also had another unusual symptom. While my sense of smell was gone, I was constantly smelling cigarette smoke that wasn't there. I quit smoking 2.5 years ago and there was no actual smoke there - this was neurological. When my sense of smell started coming back about a week later, this went away.

It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Scottj175 635 posts, incept 2010-09-06
2021-03-27 12:54:57

Great review of the past year. Kicked off my own personal remembrances. I recall internet and talk radio traffic of some new mystery disease out of Wuhan as early as November 2019. I remember thinking then that it needed to be watched because we could trust nothing out of the CCP. It might have been a nothing burger or it might have been an extinction-level event.

So once it clearly got into our borders (I was unaware of the blood serum stuff at the time) in early January concern rose. As spread continued the lockdown/distancing thing in early March made sense to me to give time to study what we were actually up against. I figured some politics would be played but at the time I had no idea just how badly true science on this was going to be ignored. I'd come to expect it with things like the climate but figured perhaps there'd be a little more honesty in the realm of health because of the "own goal" potential damage of lying. I was very wrong.

As March wore into April I had slowly started to become skeptical that this was anything other than an abject conspiracy and by late May when my Church resumed in-person Sunday services I was very skeptical and figured the narrative would unravel by the end of Summer.

A real turning point for me was this sermon delivered by John MacArthur as he and Grace Community Church decided to stand in defiance of orders in CA:

Unfortunately the groundswell I hoped for never came. The narrative never unraveled and the panic porn was used as a major factor to throw the election to some of the worst totalitarians I have seen hold the levers of power in this country over my 52 years.

So now we do sit on the cusp of a potential extinction-level event but not directly due to the virus but rather the politicized response to it.
Captainkidd 2k posts, incept 2010-05-25
2021-03-27 12:55:40

Of course those statutes and regulations can be changed by Congress at any time, but for the moment it appears that 2023 is the earliest to expect a licensing decision,

2022 mid terms will be over by then.
The Constitution will be so much confetti...
The narrative firmly established...
The sheep bleating whatever they're told to...
The last vestiges of the republic in ashes...maybe literally...
There will be no need to license anything.

A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did,
Radiosity 2k posts, incept 2009-03-05
2021-03-27 12:55:47


"Where are the lawyers defending the people from the government overreach?"

Working for the government, since they can afford the exorbitant fees.

"Most people voluntarily give up their rights because they don't understand that they have any."

It's worse than that. They believe government GRANTS them their rights. Gotta love those decades of commie propaganda in schools.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Jfms99 550 posts, incept 2009-10-06
2021-03-27 13:20:21


Back in January I bought from India 10 Zivedo COVID-19 treatment packs, each pack contained 36 mg of Invermectin , total 360 mg for about $20. Unreal
Wayiwalk 1k posts, incept 2016-11-09
2021-03-27 13:20:38

In this era of total BS flies, in NJ the phantom of the opera face governor announced, "all public schools will be back full time/normal in Fall 2021"

Thanks, Phildo. Scared of getting Cuomo'd? One of the four govs who sent the COVID +'s into the nursing homes. Who gave you the order to give the order?

With the same amount of science as behind all of the lockdowns, is an announcement that suddenly, "i can see clearly now....." without a thought to share as to why the change of perspective, not that I care.

Jabs for the teachers? Jabs for the children?

Oh, yeah, and in this moronstate, Rutgers announced that jabs will be necessary in order to attend school in the fall (baring religious or medical waivers). I hope they see a massive loss of acceptances from freshman for the fall, and transfers. But some folks can't afford that, either.

I hate these people.

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!

Let's Go Brandon!
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