Everyone has probably seen this a dozen times, but it bears repeating.

"Politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't."

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=yout....

Voted for Trump reluctantly last time. I just couldn't flesh out whether he was sincere or not. No doubt about that now. If pulling the healthcare agenda was not convincing enough, all you had to do was look at this appointments out of the gate: Preibus as CoS, Mnuchin in Treasury, Kushner as advisor, Sessions as AG, firing Gen Flynn, etc. I have heard the argument that you needed people who understood how Washington works but that is also bullshit because second round was similar (can you say fucking John Bolton.) You don't drain the swamp by appointing swamp creatures to positions in your administration.

I'm not planning to vote at all this go 'round. Doesn't really matter given where I live. Washington will be solid blue due to the population, sorry I meant FSA, disproportionately living in the Seattle-Tacoma metro area.

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An angry man without a country and family.

Karl's view of how voting will occur in the near future (not condoning, just as an example) ...

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We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.

Remember , we have to save the planet! Globalists stand ready to help you , New Green Agenda 21 is on its way !
and that rotten Trump is such a this that and the other thing ! He is standing in the way ! 500 PPM is the END !

This November is being sold by propagandists as being the most important in decades. I believe that this election == jack shit. Trump wins, people start shooting. Biden wins, people start shooting.

Hell, people might start shooting by the end of the summer.

When I turned 18 some 50 odd years ago, I could see clearly that voting at the national level was worthless. I kept that record up until 2000, when the wife somehow convinced me to vote.

It was a failed experiment that just confirmed what I had always known.

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We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I voted for Trump in 2016, will be righting in some random name from the phone book this year. Get sick of the constant excuses why he can't get things done, he has plenty of Constitution power to at least attempt to implement his policies. Worse case, shut down the government until he gets something he wants. The first two years he had the House and Senate and could not implement an immigration changes. What a time to shutdown the government to prove he is a different kind of leader, defying his own political party.

Back in 92, I thought Bush really did not want to win, ran a bad campaign and was sick of getting pilloried no matter what he did. I think Trump is at the same place. As of now, it will be a Blue wave in November.

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'Power, like the reproductive muscle, longs to be exercised, often without judgement or right' - Gerry Spence

There is only one question you must ask yourself. Will my kids be better off if I stay home and do nothing, or will they be better off if I do what needs to be done? When you can answer that question with conviction you will know what to do. Currently I am still on the fence but I do not like what I see ahead.

I found this map to be very useful when finding which areas are safe to live in. http://racialdotmap.demographics.cooperc....

Leaving Michigan is not an option for me. The best I can do is to move to a less woke area. In some places, Michigan is very redneck... 20 years from now, it probably be equivalent to southern Illinois.

@Greenrebellion

How sad are you guys? You would rather turn over the country to full blown marxist than allow Trump to continue to make good on the promises for another 4 yrs?
I mean it's not like he has had an easy 4 yrs. He had congress working against him, special counsel, MSM and ever paper in the world.

JOBS will only come back w/ Trump. Wars will end only with Trump.

China will run us AGAIN if Biden is elected.

Please don't give up yet. He loves this country and is trying to right the ship with against ALL ODDS.

Wait and see what happens before Nov. PLEASE I beg you to not throw Trump out.

Gonewest - One of the few good things about living in WA is the presidential election is in the bag even before our poles close. It truly doesn't matter who you vote for as president and never has.

One of the sad things about living in WA is no matter where you live it is as you just said "I meant FSA, disproportionately living in the Seattle-Tacoma metro area" Sea/Tac voters run our state which is one of the reasons we have dipshit inslee.

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"It's just a shot" - Gates

@Lisa - China is running us now. Trump has not done DICK. He's capitulated to them --- multiple times. And like always, they cheat.

I suspect perhaps you haven't heard -- there's another virus. H1N1 this time, which is a NASTY genome parent. As in 1918.

Oh, and speaking of 1918. We knew in 1918 that masks didn't work. At all. We didn't understand well WHY they didn't work, just like we didn't understand WHY flu wanes in the summer and comes back in the winter, but we knew THEY DID NOT WORK.

Now we know WHY they didn't work then and won't now -- because they can't work. That's physics. And despite the wishcasting of MANY, every single randomly controlled trial trying to prove otherwise has only wound up in the same place: They don't work.

Well, if you know from physics that the Earth is round then ANY legitimate scientific study will, in fact, find that the Earth is round. Physics is like that; it's not a suggestion.

So.....

When you have the left seat if the plane crashes you're at fault. It doesn't matter whether you are really or not -- you are.

That's how it works. You're the pilot in command, you're responsible. Period.

And in this case Trump is trying to argue with physics and elements of biology that are million years ago. They're not going to change any more than the Earth will become flat. All he can do is accept it, work with it, OR MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE.

He's chosen the latter.

So here we are.

He's responsible. Period.

We have Covid here today. It is not respiratory-transmitted, for the most part. Oh I'm sure it CAN be, but it isn't majority. Which means locking people in their homes will do nothing. At all. Zero.

Neither will "social distancing." Nor will masks.

What will? Assiduous handwashing -- with soap and water. But even with it -- the virus is going to spread. We keep seeing the same pattern bear out.

That's what virology and physics tell us.

We knew all of this in February and instead of following the science Trump murdered 50,000 Americans by listening to Cuomo and sucking his dick, making manufacturers and hospital executives rich at the same time. For that he should every single day of the rest of his miserable life in a federal prison cell with a serial rapist. What he did was unconscionable but it's water over the dam and thus here we are. Now the question is whether he's going to apply what has been learned or kill another quarter million people this winter when H1N1 shows up, and it looks like it might.

Interestingly, Peru and Brazil are next to each and took exact opposite courses of action. Peru locked down EVERYTHING. Brazil locked down basically..... nothing. In fact, their leadership said "fuck that, this is bullshit."

Guess what?

They have the same death rate count. Really. The two curves are almost exactly the same. Fancy that.

Has Trump learned ANYTHING from this?

No.

Now he's letting Pence run around with a mask on and O'Connell call for UNIVERSAL MASKING. Which will do nothing.

There is only one path that is logical. We must let Covid-19 go now. Right now. Today. Not next week, not next month. If H1N1 comes as a co-infection with Covid-19 I'll bet that combination kills a HUGE percentage of the people who get both at once. You don't want my actual estimate, because you'll probably have a stroke. I've modeled that scenario based on what we know of 1918's pathology and Covid-19s.

Ugly isn't the right word for it.

And H1N1 is coming. It's probably coming this fall, given that it appears we've found it over in... guess where... China. On top of Covid-19. With a crippled economy and destroyed tax base. Which means no money, no teachers, no cops, no schools.

And no HOSPITALS.

Yeah.

And this is what Trump is doing. This is what he's leading the nation into. We're fucked unless he stops it NOW -- and I do mean NOW.

I'm not voting for that.

It's not negotiable. Either he cuts it out, NOW, or else because if he doesn't it will matter not who is in office.

At all.

I have worked tirelessly for more than a DECADE to try to fix the most-pressing of these issues. I knew where the line was, and that we would hit it if we didn't act. Well, we didn't act, and the line is approaching NOW.

Time's up.

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THE BLUE WOULD HAVE NEVER OPENED AT ALL. ALL OF IT IS BULLSHIT ABOUT THE VIRUS, SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THE MASKS. THE RIOTS GOT THIS STARTED, PROBABLY ON PURPOSE. THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CASES AND THE NUMBERS OF DEATHS ARE DOWN.

TRUMP SIGNED TO FORCE PRICE POSTING. I THINK THAT WON IN THE SUPREME COURT THIS MONTH. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON THAT LIST THAT HAVE BEEN BOTTLED UP IN COURT. THE OBVIOUS THING IS WASHINGTON DC HAS THEIR OWN PLANS AND THEY AREN'T IN FAVOR OF US.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith

LeeeeRoooooy Jenkinssss!!

At least I got chicken.

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We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Karl,

Trump would like the victory of winning but he has to be tired. He's 4 years older and his enemies are relentless. Whether or not Trump understands the impossibility of the situation (fiscal, economic & political) he has to sense his chances of politically surviving 4 more years are small.

So I see Trump making those compromises that will lose him Florida & Wisconsin & PA. He's barking at the media and the lunatic left but no one cares. Trump is not winning new voters and too many that chose him over Hillary in 2016 don't care in 2020. They and we know it doesn't matter.

It was great to see Trump fight back against the Democrats. But now we are looking around and those gains were incomplete and temporary. The Supreme Court is still Liberal. The government is still corrupt Corporations are still robbing the American people with impunity.

Covid showed Trump's limitations. Trump is amazing at fighting for himself - that he beat Mueller and Schiff is impressive - but with Covid, Trump needed to fight for scientific integrity. He couldn't do it. It's not who he is.

So Trump tried to play the political game with Covid. He, as expected, played it great at first. In March Trump dominated. But now it is summer and where is Trump on Covid? Oh, he wants to move on but he's stuck. For he told the lie himself that millions would die. He told the lie that lockdowns were necessary. What does he believe? Who knows?

The Democrats are going to use Covid as a political weapon all the way to November. And thus far it doesn't seem Trump has an answer.

I would also add that the Dems have not really lost anything - they get just about everything and more from Trump. I will admit I did enjoy the tax cut and the change to the biz environment as well as the increases in my 401k.

But he has pretty much caved. He could have kicked some serious azz - but he soft stepped everything. And we lost the rule of law - justice really a joke at this point.

Both my sister and I had the "swine flu" H1N1 in 2009. I've never been so sick in my life. I was in good shape and healthy, but could not get up off the couch other than to pee and drink water for at least two days. If we (as a country) allow the Covid to stick around due to all the phony social distancing and shutdowns, COVID + H1N1 sounds like a deadly combination to many folks...

@TG I'm just looking at places where there's few people (esp those that cause many of the problems in this country), more remote areas to avoid the cities imploding in riots, relatively low taxes... basically somewhere I could get away from most everyone and be left alone. There's at least 40 States I wouldn't even consider moving to and of the last 10, most I can weed out for various reasons.

CO was very nice but it's been overrun by CA idiots now. When I left there in 2002 it was still somewhat sane.

Reflection of our past is a window to our future. Never forget, never surrender.

André Gide wrote..

Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.

Samual Adams, Aug 1st 1776 wrote..

Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom - go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Henry David Thoreau wrote..

I do not wish to kill nor to be killed, but I can foresee circumstances in which both these things would be by me unavoidable.

God Bless America! The time is here and now to make a stand. Good vs Evil.

Martin Niemölle wrote..

First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies

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This November is being sold by propagandists as being the most important in decades. I believe that this election == jack shit.

I agree 100%.

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Trump has not done DICK. He's capitulated to gone down on them --- multiple times.

There, I fixed it for you.
It now mirrors how I feel about trump and the rest of our so-called leaders.

Flap

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave

@Ticker Guy

"and the voting won't take place in booths."

Pray tell WHERE!

Most of the posters here are either going to stay home on election day or write in someone in protest it seems. That is your right.

I'm with Lisa. Not because Trump's the perfect answer but because he hasn't been given a fair shot from day one. That he wasn't impeached was a miracle and the energy and focus has he lost fighting the constant attacks in incalculable.

To me, its a lesser of two evils choice. Red (mostly fucked up) vs Blue (Totally fucked up). Not much of a choice but it is the hand I am dealt.

The Deep State, Washington Establishment and National Press are pulling out all stops to try to put the final nail into his coffin. A vote for Trump is at least a way that I can stick it back to those bastards. They want me to stay home or write in Gumbi.

In the meantime I will continue to prepare and plan to take care of the family when it all heads south.

@Ticker Guy

"they have stepped outside the boundary of a "Republican Form of Government" (that is, one in which Statutes and Constitution control the boundaries of one's actions) and since there is a Constitutional DUTY for the Federal Government to enforce same that can be done using the lawful police powers and force of the Federal Government."

EXCEPT all that is a inferior authority and duty (lower case INTENTIONAL used) for the SUPERIOR AUTHORITY and DUTY lies here:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Then, there following is IDENTIFIED to whom the SUPERIOR AUTHORITY and DUTY is ultimately HELD:

"it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

These were not written looking into the yonder thru a WINDOW, they were written looking into a MIRROR!

My first Question asked (inferred) the question and this identifies the ONLY ANSWER!

The only action which is the answer to my first query is fulfilled by those in the LOOKING GLASS!

If your response to the about is HUH? What the ...? Then all that follows, you will deserve!

@Greenacr

Yeah, I think I stand with you on that one.

But at the end of the day, I realize the world government people are going to win, simply because the current crop of young people are not capable of running the country they inherited. Sure, some of them are. But not enough of them. I think maybe a generation of smart phones, texts, and tweets have resulted in underdevelopment of the left sides of their brains.

H1N1 is what a lot of people thought was covid-19 this past winter.

We (my family) all had it. It sucked. My daughter ran a temp for a week straight. Son was 6 days. I did for even longer.

If that's what's running around when flu season starts this year... I don't look forward to it.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.