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2020-06-29 11:41 by Karl Denninger
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The End Of Trump *
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It's over folks.

Oh, I know, Tulsa didn't mean anything and the Trump campaign is "disputing" the Fire Marshal's attendance figures.

Oh, it was Covid fear.

Oh, it was protesters blocking access to metal detectors (and the "much-vaunted" right-side cops didn't clear said protesters?)

Oh, Sleepy Joe.

Oh, socialism.  Oh, Marxism.  Oh, AOC or Ilhan.

Oh, it was this or that.

Yeah, whatever.

It wasn't that roughly four years ago Trump promised to get rid of medical monopoliesthree separate bullet points on his campaign web site.  Three!  Unprecedented for a political campaign, and all three disappeared within 15 minutes of the election being called for him.  I know because I was watching the returns in a Pensacola Bar with my laptop tethered to my phone and saw them disappear.

It wasn't the promise to get rid of chain migration repeated throughout the campaign which also disappeared and nothing has been done.

It wasn't the promise to stop H1b abuse which every single tech company loves (and thus makes their stock price go up), and which of course he also did not do.

It wasn't his promise to get rid of birthright citizenship by whatever means necessary including executive order.

It wasn't his signing of every Democrat spending bill, without exception, including a government shutdown for which he got nothing in return.  It's not like this is the first time for such bullshit either; Reagan, if you recall, got a promise to cut spending out of Tip when he was President in exchange for his tax cuts.  The spending cuts were never even proposed yet Reagan never enforced that bargain.

It wasn't his repeated and outrageously false claim he was going to "build the wall" nor his repeatedly and outrageously false claim about miles built which are in fact nothing more than fence repairs on existing fences, nearly all of which can still be defeated with tools bought at Home Depot.

It wasn't his push for "ventilators" by the tens of thousands, including compulsory construction of them, which factually killed thousands of Americans and which we knew were worthless against Covid-19 in February as that very same device killed damn near everyone that was put on one in Wuhan.  After all, people attend campaign rallies for someone who killed their Grandfather all the time.  If you're stupid enough to believe that you'll believe they'll vote for said people too.

It wasn't Trump's willful and intentional destruction of tens of millions of American jobs over a false set of claims related to Covid-19, nor his willful and intentional refusal to call Fauci and Birx out on their bullshit on national TV.  Never mind Trump's own repeated claims that his actions "saved millions of lives."  Like hell they did.

It wasn't Trump sitting back and letting federal felonies by the score be committed, including willful destruction of federal property, arson and worse after the death of Floyd, including the commission of said federal felonies by self-admitted and avowed Marxists.

It wasn't Trump, after chanting "lock her up" for two years, refusing to demand an AG that will actually bring charges for trivially-proved federal crimes, including willful mishandling of classified information -- crimes that other, non-politically-protected persons have done hard prison time for.  How many of Hillary's crimes have resulted in people being locked up thus far, may I ask?

It wasn't Trump, after railing about how "unfair" tech companies are, also refusing to use the 100+ year old statutes carrying 10 year prison terms to indict said firms and their executives for their blatant, in-your-face rank violations of 15 USC Chapter 1, along with every single hospital and pharmaceutical company executive.

It wasn't Trump putting his socialist relatives Jared and Ivanka effectively in charge of both major parts of foreign and domestic policy.

It wasn't Trump taking a gigantic shit all over the 2nd Amendment with his "bump stock" nonsense.  For the man that claims to "honor" the 2nd Amendment where is the E/O mandating Constitutional Carry nationally, backed up with an order to the FBI to arrest any state or local official who tries to prevent same?  Shall not be infringed isn't clear enough?

It wasn't Trump knowingly, willingly and intentionally abusing The Federal Reserve system to screw every retiree out of the ability to earn a safe return on their nest eggs, destroying their purchasing power and now sowing the seeds of the nation's economic and fiscal destruction, acts that will make the late 1970s trashing look like a cake walk.  Oh, and Trump not only did it he gloated about it too.  At least when Nixon threatened the head of the Federal Reserve he did it behind closed doors.

It wasn't Trump sitting back and letting Florida and its Governor shit all over its residents who voted for a Constitutional change to restore the voting rights of felons who had completed all of their sentence, but then watched as that amendment was unconstitutionally modified after being enacted so that anyone who committed a crime and screwed someone financially now gets away with it and can vote anyway.  Election integrity doesn't matter to Trump, despite what he says.

It wasn't Trump who personally all but ordered states to shut down after hyping a very expensive medical device that in fact is at best worthless and likely kills people with severe Covid-19, ventilators, including I remind you literally commandeering an automobile plant to make the very devices that kill those who they are used on in the course of this disease.

It wasn't Trump who did not tell Florida to go suck eggs on the basis of the Commerce Clause when they put up barricades and mandated 14 day quarantines for people from certain other states, an act that is for all intents and purposes identical to an interstate barrier on commerce and is thus unconstitutional on its face, and by sitting back and cheering on DeSatan now has that blowing up in his face with the targets of same turning the tables on Floridians.  Trump cheered on DeSatan in his original act and by doing so he gave Cuomo and the others the means to destroy interstate commerce and thus further destroy the economy, which of course is exactly what they want given that there's an election coming up. This order effectively shuts down business travel between those states and specifically targets businesses in certain statesthe original order was constitutionally impermissible for the same reason but rather than stomp on DeSatan's micropenis and tell him to cut that shit out immediately or he would send the FBI down to the border and arrest everyone running said checkpoint on federal charges and throw them in prison Trump cheered it on -- and is now going to pay for that in spades.  Oh, by the way, Interstate Compacts are illegal too unless explicitly authorized by legislation passed by Congress (and signed by the President or passed over his veto) so that makes two separate constitutional violations in one announcement.  WHERE IS TRUMP ON SENDING THE FBI TO ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION AND WHERE WAS HE ORIGINALLY?

It wasn't Trump's failure to cite the two decades of research on masks in the context of respiratory viruses with multiple random controlled trials, including those of health care workers who are trained in proper procedure, that have found they're worthless.  Instead his very own "task force" shows up with masked people on the podium.

Sure folks, it wasn't any of those reasons (and many more) that made people decide to say "aw, fuck it and fuck you" -- and not show up in Tulsa.

Oh I know, let's blame the "deep state" and "courts." The same courts that just ruled that even a blatantly unlawful E/O cannot be overturned or simply ignored by the next administration.  Given that standard why not just issue a bunch of "unlawful" E/Os and be done with it or tell the courts to screw off and start deporting people?  When challenged on that ask said courts "with what army are you going to attempt to enforce your blatantly unconstitutional order"?  Make them live by their own rules, in short. 

And none of this intentional, willful failure -- not accident, not "deep state", nothing but Trump's lies to his base and intentional destruction of the common man for the benefit of a bunch of rich real-estate, pharmaceutical and banking moguls will result in any of those voters deciding to say "aw, fuck that" and sit at home, drinking a beer, on election day rather than going to the polls and voting -- right?

Mr. "Reality TV", where fantasy and scripted shows are claimed to be "the product of real decisions made by real people and not rigged" tried to bring that sort of deception into the realm of political policy where real people get fucked in the ass on a daily basis and it doesn't end when their hour is up on TeeVee -- it's real and it goes on forever.  How's it feel to be a participant in four years of "Wrestlemania"?  Let me guess -- you believe that someone can get clocked with a table then immediately get up and continue to fight.

May I remind you that Florida came within a hair of voting in a meth-using, male-prostitute-hiring Governor just a couple of years ago and has been on the cusp of that sort of insanity since the year 2000?

May I further remind you that instead of telling all of the mask-wearing idiots at "press conferences" that there are decades of settled science on respiratory viral transmission and all of it concludes that masks do nothing he has instead "gone along" with those who have tried to ram that down your throat too?

May I remind you that the so-called "social distancing" 6' "rule" came out of a 15 year old's science fair project which has never been subjected to any form of scientific study, replication or peer review, Trump's "task force" has repeatedly touted same, and in many areas it has nearly the force of law across the United States?

And may I finally remind you that he just sat back and let DeSATAN shut down bars in Florida again on the back of a case surge in the state which was primarily found in two counties in the SE part of the state THAT HAD NEVER REOPENED THEIR BARS. 

While those counties are indeed heavily "blue" how many votes will go "Red" among the servers, owners and other employees who just got thrown out of work AGAIN across the state?  I remind you that a Presidential contest totals votes across the entire state; county results mean nothing.

What are Trump's odds of winning when, not if, he loses Florida in November?


There will be no cheating or ballot games required.  The Democrats could run a chimpanzee slinging its own scat at voters waiting in line and win.  Donald J Trump has delivered nothing of what he said he would -- not on health care, immigration, illegal invaders, demanding the return of American manufacturing or anything else.  He has refused to stand up and tell the truth when it comes to Covid-19 as well; that the science says this is mostly a manually transmitted virus and not primarily aerosol which is why we're not having a material impact on transmission rates.  In addition what Trump has done is commandeer an American company to make machines for the purpose of killing your grandmother along with signing every Democrat dream-and-spend bill; at that he had actual success.

Put a fork in Trump folks, like it or not.


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Zappafan 6k posts, incept 2007-11-30
2020-06-29 11:53:25

Minor point of contention - technically Trump finally did do something about H1-b visas, ending them completely but only for this year (through December 31st, 2020.) The tech companies did squeal like stuck pigs about it. I am sure their lobbyists are already talking to Biden's camp about reviving them next year.

That is kind of like saying that the captain of the Titanic did shine his shoes properly. So it has no bearing on the overall direction and fate of his Presidency, which is as you say, basically a spit roasted turkey.

The big question is what reason then do we have to vote at all in November? We know what pudding-for-brains will bring. The mother of all "can kicks." He will fill (or realistically, whomever is making decisions for him will fill) his administration with neo-cons, deep state deep throaters and all the retreads from the Obama administration, perhaps even Hillary in some kind of role.

Trump must face the music for his own failure that you documented, but why do these assholes who have failed for 30+ years always get a pass?

Redjack 2k posts, incept 2018-01-29
2020-06-29 11:55:55

And we are next.

Team blue is having dreams of death camps. Of course team red is also.

At this point, the election is for amusement. No one will accept the results, and the genie of political violence is pretty much out. Team red is showing some hesitant signs of fighting back, and of course the police are screaming, but if I was on the jury for the guy in St Louis, I would vote to acquit.

Trump was toast before this. Next step will be the interesting one.
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2020-06-29 11:56:31


The sad part is that the next election has a high probability of taking place in weeks or months rather than years, and the voting won't take place in booths.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."

Nadavegan 983 posts, incept 2017-05-03
2020-06-29 12:00:23

I think Trump wins, only based on voter "enthusiasm". No one is raring to go vote for Biden. In fact, I predict that Biden sets the record for low turnout. His big hope, and not a bad one is that mail in ballots allow the "meh" voters to participate.

Redjack 2k posts, incept 2018-01-29
2020-06-29 12:09:40


I am not sure that creepy Joe will be the nominee. It almost HAS to be a trans minority.

I hear Mrs. Obama is rested and ready.

Greenrebellion 914 posts, incept 2009-01-03
2020-06-29 12:09:49

@nadavegan - Trump has ZERO chance of winning.

I voted for him in 2016 but there's no chance I'm voting for him in 2020, and believe me I'm far from alone.

Now the question is, what kind of clownfest is the Biden presidency going to be?
Greenacr 993 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2020-06-29 12:10:01

Don't like the premise the Trump will lose. However, it's looking increasing unlikely that Trump will win as he can't seem to keep from stepping in it.

As Zappafan notes "why do these assholes who have failed always get a pass?"

If Team Blue sweeps it is going to be interesting. Not sure I buy into this Death camp stuff, fire arms confiscation or any of this other tin foil stuff. Don't see most of law enforcement or the military supporting such moves. You can overturn the 2nd amendment, but with 300+ million firearms out there, the genie is out of the bottle and that remains the single biggest deterrent to this tinfoil stuff.

I just see Team Blue hastening the inevitable collapse. Perhaps a depression would serve the same function as a forest fire...... clean out all the deadwood and allow things to restart anew.
Mangymutt 1k posts, incept 2015-05-03
2020-06-29 12:10:28

Your very long list of "It wasn't" almost makes it sound like trump hasn't done anything meaningful for America in over three years.


"It's just a shot" - Gates
Ocdawg 573 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2020-06-29 12:16:16

The End is nigh....

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."- George Carlin
GO DAWGS!!! Quietly reloading.....
Smitty 253 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2020-06-29 12:16:25

Damn I'm glad to be retired, and old...

Dad is more fortunate to be much older, 90+, and may luck out and not see the end of this country, though the end may have already occurred...

We have-and continue to, right up to this very minute-brought all this on ourselves, stacking and piling up assets and material things while being entertained 24/7, meanwhile, everything...every-fucking-thing gradually creeped along towards total thorough corruption.

We eagerly accepted critical thinking-any actual thinking-being replaced with emotionalism.

Now it looks like we are in eat-the-consequences-time now, and it's a real shit sandwich...

It may not matter *who* is elected/selected in November to pilot this Titanic of a country...

There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.

-Soren Kierkegaard
Meowingforu 3 posts, incept 2020-06-02
2020-06-29 12:16:52

Valid points albeit 2 additional ones:

1. Like Mish Talk, preferred political projections at this timeline from November is nothing more than amusement.

2. The Bilderberg Group, Rothschilds, et al will determine out political course. Not November 4th.

Voting Apophis Asteroid-2020? You'll have to wait another 9 years.
Aquapura 4k posts, incept 2012-04-19
2020-06-29 12:17:08

You should've numbered each grievance for easy reference, not that I disagree with a single one. For a hot second in 2016 I thought Trump might be different because he wasn't one of them but in 2020 it's quite clear he always was.

I have had passing thoughts it might be worth it to let the Dem's have 2020 so they're holding the bag when it all goes to shit. At this point I don't give a wet crap who wins as both parties are corrupted and need to be taken to the trash heap, throw in the Libertarians and Greens too.

Aquapura 4k posts, incept 2012-04-19
2020-06-29 12:23:59

@Ocdawg - I clicked the YouTube link and it started with a Joe Biden fundraising ad. God help me.
Zappafan 6k posts, incept 2007-11-30
2020-06-29 13:04:45

This is not a defense of Trump, but more of an observation. He initially caught the deep state off guard, however, they adapted. I knew he had been "had" when all his efforts to get us out of Syria were thwarted. To this day we still have troops in Eastern Syria doing God knows what other than being targets. Ostensibly they are there to "protect the oil" which does not belong to us but rather does belong to the legitimate Assad government and the Syrian people.

I think his instincts were right (Trump) but he never was able to fully seize control and steer the ship away from trouble. Half measures like finally doing something about H1B's (and only temporarily, and under cover of COVID) are nice but don't change the overall failure to do what it takes. He's up against a nasty set of war pigs and Wall St. criminals and you don't let up on those folks until they're literally dead or in prison.
Ocdawg 573 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2020-06-29 13:04:48

AQUA- your post cost me a clean screen...

And no surprise... Grandpa even stutters in his own political ad....

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."- George Carlin
GO DAWGS!!! Quietly reloading.....
Luke8929 184 posts, incept 2008-10-13
2020-06-29 13:05:01

I know the secret service has code names for all current and ex Presidents, you know Thunderball cool names like that. I wonder what Trump's is 180', U-Turn, Backup. Actually I think Creeper would be good you know that thing heavy duty mechanics use to get under the Bus which is where most of candidate Trump supporters have ended up.
Nadavegan 983 posts, incept 2017-05-03
2020-06-29 13:05:25

@greenacr, there willnever be gun confiscation. What there will be is loss of livelihood. As in, your employer gets a list of gun owners who work there, and the At Will employment you voted for means they shitcan you for no stated reason. Or, your bank account or credit card gets turned off for some mysterious reason. Or, your child gets denied his or her college application. Or, your wife's breast cancer removal keeps getting bumped to the bottom of the list.

We are not living in a martial society anymore. This is a data society. You and I will be conquered by data, not arms. Your guns will continue to collect dust while your livelihood is destroyed bit by bit.
Raftermanfmj 5k posts, incept 2010-09-06
2020-06-29 13:05:39

Now THIS Ticker is why I keep coming back here - excellent!! Although from day one Ive said it was Trumps factions goal to destroy the USD as world reserve and devalue it by 70-80%, hes done nothing of value for the average American.

> I am not sure that creepy Joe will be the nominee. It almost HAS to be a trans minority.

Nah, but Id not be surprised if Cuomo was tasked with the job instead of sleepy Joe

And I voted for Trump - the first time Ive voted in 20 years and I wont be voting again. Fool me once n at...

I am not sure that creepy Joe will be the nominee. It almost HAS to be a trans minority.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel. - Horace Walpole

The universe is not only stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we can imagine. - Haldane's Law
Little_eddie 3k posts, incept 2009-04-30
2020-06-29 13:05:49

It don't matter any more which one of them, whoever is on the ballot, wins. The die is cast and we're on the road to hell.

imo, everybody wants their free shit and we don't have any free shit left. In fact we don't even have enough shit left to keep this shittin country working as it is today.

Do you really think they are going to cut off the $600 a week come the end of July? Fuck no, just print up another trillion or two or come August we're going to see what a real riot looks like.

Get ready for shortages, everybody I know is losing money. It's going to be a long winter

Life is way to short, enjoy every day of it.

Avatar:from the deck of my boat, Bimini, Bahamas 1999

Reason: spelling
Ingar 761 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2020-06-29 13:06:08

Karl, The Trumpster did keep one of his campaign promises.........he moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, This is sure to corral some of the people who confuse Israel worship with Christianity into the Trump stall. I can't see that Trump made any effort to accomplish any of the promises that he made. Enoch Powell said that an elected official's duty was to address the problems that a country faced, not to ignore them. Trump is merely a bullshitting blowhard. Our country will sort itself out only after a lot of violence and bloodshed as happened in the former republic of Yugoslavia. This will end with two or three new countries birthed from the rotting carcass of our present multi-culti experiment.
The movement toward our breakup has a life of its own that may only be interrupted by one of the duopoly parties coming to power, but not stopped.
Whenever the approaching calamity arrives, we will all be wishing that we were in a demographically favorable place like east Tennessee.
Smacktle 8k posts, incept 2009-01-20
2020-06-29 13:06:14

This is why I quit voting. No point in it.

Use your Ticker Balls
Flappingeagle 5k posts, incept 2011-04-14
2020-06-29 13:06:17

I voted for him in 2016 but there's no chance I'm voting for him in 2020, and believe me I'm far from alone.



2024. One of Trump or Biden will not be on the ballot in November.
A housing crash will occur.
Interest rates will NOT be lowered more than 1% in total unless a housing crash occurs.
Erroldo 691 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2020-06-29 13:06:35

@Zappafan: Yes, I give him credit for the H1B. As a migrant here myself, I came through the proper channel and follow the alien card process to education and citizenship. I work in semiconductor and I can tell you, MOST entry level hires with masters in either Comp eng, or ELEE: ASIA, mainly India. These are 6 figure jobs and I can't tell when I saw substantial American(a few did get hired) get hired. I started to wonder if Americans stop studying math and engineering.
The truth is the high tech field will land you within top 5% of all wage earners in this country after 10-20 years in thew field, if you stick with it and give it your best effort. With these outcomes, I was expecting to see more US citizens in this path. The US citizens on this track now are those of foreign born parents. My son is one of them and most of his peers are of Asian parents, many of who came here for masters and remain on H1B.

Since Trump seems to be a 1 term POTUS, his H1B will likely last until December.
Jfms99 552 posts, incept 2009-10-06
2020-06-29 13:30:49

While I concur with some of your points what is the alternative?

My expectations of Trump were not very high to begin with, at best he was a temporary holding action against the Left and their tyranny.

So our choice is Trump or a man suffering from serious Cognitive Issues and oncoming Senile Dementia. His choice of VP will be critical and right now he may be poised to name the most Leftist person we have ever seen. Make no mistake a Blue Wave Win November will be totally catastrophic for this nation. Nothing to stop every far Left Idea that was ever thought. The entire country will become just like California.

If there was ever a time this country was a a critical crossroads this is it. I'd vote for Jack Kennedy or FDR before I would vote for Biden.
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