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This is going to be a tough slog for many of you folks, but you need to do it.

I will also be using this article as a gauge; its popularity and circulation will directly guide my future decisions.

First, I want you to read this in its entirety, from a Priest.  This isn't really news to many people, myself included, but coming from someone with personal, inside experience you cannot discount or otherwise dismiss it.  It's real.

The lesson found in that missive isn't really on the Catholic Church; if you confine your thinking to it you're making a grave mistake.

No, it's "big data" in general, and it's why we cannot allow it under anything approaching the terms we've permitted thus far.

The article points out that during the process of "formation", that is, when one is seeking to be a priest, it is inherently part of the process for an exhaustive examination of every part of you to be undertaken and documented.  The Church has very good reasons for this, and they have obviously determined that it's not only necessary but "proper", and used properly it likely is.

The problem is that there are evil people everywhere, and once that data is amassed if they can get to it they both can and will use it -- improperly.

The usual refrain from the public is that "I have nothing to hide", so "who cares?"

That's missing the point; such data not only exposes what you've done but where you're vulnerable.

Read that article however many times you must for it to sink in.  If a priest -- or priest-to-be -- didn't have anything the evil people could use to force them to remain in line and silent, or even worse, to cover up for outrageously evil acts they would find some way to create it!  So if they figured out that your "kryptonite" rested in liking women, well, you'd be assigned to work with a group of young, attractive women.  If they figured out you might be a pedarest?  Girl's (or boys!) soccer coach!  And so on.

What you have in that article is documentation of the weaponization of information that stretches back decades, long before we had computers, big data, cheap disks and servers.  This was information divulged in confidence and written down on old-fashioned paper -- and then abused for nefarious, evil, heinous purpose.  It was used for the explicit creation of monsters so you can blackmail said monster to do as you wish.  That kids -- and adults -- get abused in the process is of no consequence to those undertaking this evil!

Spycraft, in the international sense, is mostly about compromising people.  Nobody is iron-clad strong all the time and in all areas.  Nobody.  The classic "spy movie" example is the cute, young woman sent in to seduce the man, frequently with a few drinks, hopefully getting access to whatever she desires by sleeping with him.  This is cliche because it's true, but prior to "big data" determining where the weakness was and how to exploit it either directly or by finding a way to blackmail you later on took quite a lot of work.  This meant that it was only undertaken to target a few, very-interesting people -- and the risk of getting caught while trying to both amass the information and abuse it was quite high too.

This sort of data collection, analysis and abuse no longer requires any work at all, it now applies to everyone, and under current law and regulation it is impossible to not only know what's been collected (everything), how it's been analyzed (in every possible way) and who has or does access it for what purpose.

This must be not just stopped but retroactively forced out into the open with full disclosure in each and every instance to each and every person, along with hard, death penalty level enforcement for future violations.

If we don't do that then you will continue to be targeted.

Just to repeat in case that last sentence didn't sink in: CONTINUE to be targeted.

You already have been targeted and abused and in fact are abused every single day.  For car insurance, homeowners insurance, rate of interest and terms on a credit card or other loan, in housing and employment.  If you ever become "interesting" to people in power (e.g. you want to run for office, even something as simple as a school board) then suddenly it gets far worse in that all of that previously-collected data will be analyzed and used to either discover something with which you can be blackmailed now or, if there isn't anything yet your weaknesses will be analyzed and you will be continually tested until you fail and create the means to blackmail you.

Now you know why "Just-US" Roberts upheld Obamacare.  You may not know what they (the medical industry, to be specific) got him with, but you can be assured they did.  There were rumors of irregularities in his and his wife's adoption of their kids; true or not, who knows.  Obama, same deal.  There were myriad rumors of him being interested in men; these days, so what?  But what if one or more them wasn't 18?  Was that it?  I have no damn clue but this much I'm sure of -- this is what is being done with that data and has been for a long time.

What I can assure you is that this sort of tactic is as old as spying and over the last couple of decades it has become available on a far "cheaper" basis to a whole host of people -- and now is available to be used by anyone of evil intent against virtually anyone in any position where compromising them is of value.

It must be assumed that every single sitting Congressperson, Supreme Court Justice, President (reasonably-recent past and present), Governors and most State legislators along with nearly all decision-making level individuals (such as Judges) at the State and Federal government levels are in fact under active blackmail threat right here, right now, every single day.  This likely also extends to many county, city and local officials.

Note that in the linked article one of the "defensive measures" the creeps used, along with their enablers, is to explicitly target priests they cannot seduce to violate their vows and intentionally go to confession before them, thereby sealing their ability to speak.  What do you think politicians and others in power do now with attorneys?  Same thing -- they go "hire" one and suddenly -- bang, can't talk because of attorney-client privilege.  If you can't seduce them (but they'll try that first -- and you can bet on that as that's a much more powerful tool) then find a means of stuffing a sock in their mouth via some privileged relationship.

There is utterly nobody who is safe from this.

Ever.

Nor can you be made safe from it.

Nobody is God, and nobody is Superman.

The only means to stop it is to make abuse of such information a capital felony and force into the open all who abuse it so they can be executed, making it your absolute civil right to know of all such data collection, distribution and sale along with all aggregations of same and the purpose for which it is done in every single case -- and to make concealment of the collection, sale, or purpose for which such data is used from you in any form proof of evil intent equivalent to any other capital offense.

Simply put anyone collecting and using said data must be forced, under penalty of capital felony conviction and death, to disclose each time said data is used, by whom, exactly how it is used, for what purpose and where the data was and is sent, with such being a positive duty for anyone holding same.

When you get an insurance quote, for example, the company must tell you not just that it used a "consumer report" (which they do) but exactly what data they obtained, from who they obtained it and the specifics of all the data they obtained, analyzed and how they did so to arrive at whatever result was obtained, in detail, sufficient for you to recreate in person their "scoring" and reach the same result.

In short that data must be yours -- your property and thus your right to know how, when, why and by whom it was used -- by virtue of being about and generated by your actions -- always.

It must be explicitly unlawful to collect, sell, collate or "work" this data for any purpose other than those explicitly disclosed and agreed to, in advance and all collectors and sellers of such data must be held equally responsible for any violation later on, including through their own negligence as if it was intentional conduct.

Violations must result in everyone involved being personally and criminally liable and upon conviction being executed, with any company involved being instantly dissolved.  No ifs, ands or buts.

No exceptions can be permitted other than for US Government actions aimed at foreign nationals who are not protected under US Law and yes, this includes government agencies that collect and abuse information now -- all of them.

This must happen now.  Period.

If it doesn't you can literally kiss our nation -- and anything approaching "freedom" -- goodbye.

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It must be assumed that every single sitting Congressperson, Supreme Court Justice, President (reasonably-recent past and present), Governors and most State legislators along with nearly all decision-making level individuals (such as Judges) at the State and Federal government levels are in fact under active blackmail threat right here, right now, every single day. This likely also extends to many county, city and local officials.

This a very measured and well written post. We are divided between the apathetic and the blackmailed.

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If the politicians, judges, and such are all, or even a majority, captive by the very people who are collecting/analyzing data... I can only come up with one way to stop it and it's definitely not a pretty option.

I love your idea, but I see no way I can personally do anything about it without risking my life, and even more importantly, my kids lives. Probably a false hope, but maybe somebody can come up with something I don't see.

As you've said in other articles - it's young adults that need convincing.

A first step being that you "own" your own medical records? *Shrug* I still think the best way to start a medical cost revolution is if somebody with more money than god starts setting up local doc offices all over the country using the same scheme the surgery center of oklahoma uses.

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This was information divulged in confidence and written down on old-fashioned paper -- and then abused for nefarious, evil, heinous purpose. It was used for the explicit creation of monsters so you can blackmail said monster to do as you wish.


Just last night I was reading a blog post where the writer mentions that he's researching whether the Watergate break-in was in fact an operation to retrieve information such as this. Said that the DNC may have had a list of compromised Washington insiders. Here's the link. He mentions it halfway down the page:

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/08/10/no....

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I read the article that you linked to a few days back. As a practicing Roman Catholic, and one that is very aware of the current schism in the Church, I found it enlightening. There can be no doubt that two churches now exist in the same space, the traditional and ancient Catholic Church and the corrupt and morally compromised church of Rome, centered in the Vatican.

Comparing the illegitimate use of data in the church to the way our digital lives are being used against us, and more importantly, against those that rule over us, is brilliant.

In both cases, the only real solution probably lies in an act of God. The web of control is too deep and to well established for any individual to act against, at least in an overt fashion.

In my opinion, the best solution for most of us lies in a bedrock concept in Catholic social teaching, one that has been roundly ignored for years by the Vatican - subsidiarity.

Go small and stay local. As much as one can, deal only with people and businesses that can be seen and judged fairly. Regarding the Church, focus on the local parish and don't send any money to the larger institution.

I can't fight a global power or war. I can fight the battle in my home and neighborhood.

By the way, this collapse of the institutional church comes as no surprise to many of us that have followed prophecy in the Catholic world. It's a harbinger of a larger collapse and reform, the coming of a new era.

So, buckle up. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.
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Incredible article by that Catholic Priest. "Wolves in sheeps clothing" sure describes the Homosexual Agents in the Catholic Church. I guess what fries me the most is that supposed penance or confession by the HA gets them a pass on exposure of their horrific behavior. I've heard of client confidentiality in pastor/laity, doctor/patient, attorney/client relationships but doesn't sexual abuse of underage children rise to a level where the moral, legal, correct and REQUIRED course of action would be to report said behavior to the authorities?

Regarding the data mining... you are spot on Karl. No man or woman on the planet lives a sinless or mistake free life. Used to be that your private life was fairly private. Not anymore. Everyone can be compromised to some degree based on what extensive data mining can find out and how hard the folks that want to compromise you are willing to search. I do what I can... flip phone, no social media accounts ever, cell phone off when I travel, cash for all purchases other than car rentals or motels, etc etc but even any privacy that offers is rapidly being eroded. And a huge percentage of 'Mericans have their head up their ass and are blindly ignorant and complacent regarding what's being collected and stored for perhaps "future use" against that person.

I could go on and on about the folks I see using a chipped credit card to buy a six pack or case of beer, or a grocery cart full of utter HFCS garbage, or some candy bars at the grocery store, just to get their 1% cash back! Don't think law enforcement or the medical industry wouldn't like to know, in detail, your purchases? I don't have an easy answer, I've almost gotten to the point where I will take care of my wife and family and the hell with the rest. It seems that privacy is being steamrolled into oblivion.
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Part Two of the linked blog is available under the August archives. Ill be following it.

If everyone is compromised, that means our voting choices are forever poisoned. Isnt it futile then to try to effect change with our votes?

An example of this insidious web of data collection. I have to renew my drivers license. If I dont want an AB60 license which is what the DMV automatically gives you (same thing an illegal gets here- sigh, another topic), I have to apply electronically for a RealID using a third party called ID.it to verify my identity. They are partnered with DMV. I will have to cough up my SSN, passport number and all sorts of personal info that they will process through the vast data repositories they
have access to, in order to verify that I am a legal citizen of the US and resident of CA. Upon reading the terms of their service agreement and the privacy policies, I discover that I will also be the lucky recipient of their cash rewards deals they have with various merchants. If and when I purchase from these merchants, they will conveniently pre-fill all the pertinent data the merchant needs to fill my order. I about **** when I read that. Oh, and the next available appointment at the local DMV to obtain a RealID is October 15, two months after my license expires. I have to go in and see if I can do a handwritten application instead. If youre wondering why I want a RealID, DOJ here is requiring it for gun purchases. When the ammo rules go into effect next January, it will apply to ammo too.

Im thinking the best we can do is withdraw as much as humanly possible from the electronic world, and wait for the tipping point. If anyone has any other ideas, Id love to hear them.
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This is the reason we don't see the actions we expect and get pushed off about when those in power...at any level don't do anything about a corrupt situation.

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Karl, that was an excellent article sadly. I never thought about the homosexual priest problem from that point of view but it totally makes since. I have heard in Australia that they were thinking about making the priest report crimes that were disclosed during confession. I thought that was a terrible idea but now I at least understand they way they are thinking.

I am pretty much in the camp of Ann Barnhardt that it will be nothing short of divine intervention that corrects this problem. And like I have stated in other post they are all blackmailable. All of them.
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Im thinking the best we can do is withdraw as much as humanly possible from the electronic world, and wait for the tipping point. If anyone has any other ideas, Id love to hear them.

What leads you to believe this will in ANY way be effective?

Hint: It isn't as soon as you become "interesting" for some reason.

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If anyone's data can be hijacked and used for blackmail, why would anyone want to be a politician? or judge, or lawyer, or doctor, or any career.
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Most don't realize it until they've already chosen that particular profession or path.

Go ask Kerry Bentivolio what the **** happened to him. He's never told me, but that he WAS compromised was instantly obvious LITERALLY the day he won the election.

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Hell, Karl. Im probably already interesting since I read this site.
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I agree with what you propose, but I hate to say it, the Jennie is out of the bottle already. Justice Roberts back flip opinion on Obama care is so obviously compromised it proves your point in my mind. To do something about this would require Congress to take action. Isn't it obvious that Congress doesn't work in the public's interest Already? Congress initially got bought and paid for by campaign contributions, now add blackmail, and there is zero chance the changes you suggest will ever happen. How easy is it to pretend any public outcry is just non-existent? If the public went on strike until it was passed sure, we have the power to force the change. But realistically the people wielding this data power control the social media, and would realize the threat if a movement started forming and vole the messaging would be shadow banned. A movement would never get off the ground. Preventing this would have required foresight ahead of the power being amassed. What really sucks, is our intelligence community seems to be the first kid on the block blackmail wise, but now Google and Facebook have this power as well.
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According to an article in our local paper today:

"The grand jury report exposing decades of clergy sexual abuse within six Roman Catholic dioceses throughout Pennsylvania is expected to be released early next week.

At close to 900 pages in length, the document is believed to provide details about how the Allentown, Scranton, Erie, Pittsburgh, Greensburg and Harrisburg dioceses allegedly covered up abuse by at least 300 priests and other religious leaders."

I'll do my best to find the doc and post a link this coming week ...

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I used to tell people that it wasn't pedophilia, it was homosexuality. I was met by shock or contempt or indifference. When I described the homosexual mafia withing the church, it was worse. Nothing has changed.

I stopped using facebook a long time ago. I get some hope in that I know a few people who have seen the light and stopped using it too. But facebook is effective for promotion of everything down to your dog walking business.

I have little time and no money. I cannot physically protest. I can only write emails and actual letters to my congressional representatives. And of course vote. I do these things to make myself feel better. I have in illusions to their effectiveness.

I do discuss big data, big corporations, big government, big media, big judiciary with people I know. Their spouses are completely disinterested and won't allow my friends to spend anytime on fighting this. The spouses are worried about their economic future and it is that they want my friends to concentrate on.

It is an uphill battle. I will join and pay a membership fee to an organization that is fighting this battle. Does anyone know of any such organization? Individual action is futile. This has to be fought through organized lobbying.
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Very interesting article ... I understand why elements of the Catholic church need to examine a priests entire life history, including every dark corner to try and determine suitability for a life devoted to the Church, but once that information gets compiled and recorded it is inevitably fodder for blackmail. At least in the Catholic Church it is somewhat limited to within the walls of that institution, but evil exists and I am sure the examples given in the article happen.

I get the larger analogy. Our lives are increasingly being recorded whether we want them to be or not. The level of effort you have to go to to maintain even some shred of privacy these days is off the charts. Well, unless you go Amish.

What does the constitution say about our right to privacy? It isn't absolute. Most of the bill of rights talks about protection from unreasonable searches by the government, not private actors. There is no way the founders could have foreseen a situation where a large majority of the population would involuntarily hand over enough personal information to Facebook, Google and other companies to create large, searchable "blackmail" databases.

Most of the cases in the sixties and seventies protected individuals from the government coming into their own homes and prosecuting them for private activity between consensual adults. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_v.....

Griswold v. Connecticut

40+ years later I can't find much in the way of federal law protecting the individual from embarrassing disclosures of private acts. There may be some civil laws though in some states.

I think you can make a strong legal case that since the NSA, CIA and others are harvesting the same databases that private actors like FB and Google have compiled, the right to privacy needs to be extended to include penalties for private actors as well as forbidding governmental actors such as the police from unauthorized searches.

Going back to your solution, I think what needs to happen is the right to privacy needs to be extended from the private home to the cloud. Any digital interaction between a person and a web site should be default private, and any information derived from transactions, including web server logs, databases or digital fingerprints off limits from third parties. Consumers should have to "opt in" to share their data with a digitally signed artifact verifiable by a trusted third party before anything they do online can be sold, shared or disclosed to a third party.

I'll leave the penalties for violating this proposed act to debate. I'd probably stop short of capital punishment but serious jail time would be must.

The real problem and why this won't happen is the government is in bed with Google, FB, etc. Pass this law and Google and FB instantly see a large part of their market cap vaporized. The NSA would have to work harder. They'd still spy on us but it would be more costly and they'd have to get a judge to sign off on any search with probable cause.

We would need to throw out all the bums and pass a new amendment to the Bill of Rights, IMO.

The real tragedy is most Americans don't care about their privacy. Your point that we're being targeted is correct. 99% of us (even the digitally savvy) cannot keep up with the technological changes that enable these evil bastards.
You think the average person who orders something risque online has any idea HOW they're being tracked, and where that information ends up?

I'd argue they don't and thus the need for new laws.



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Don't tell me to join the ACLU. I was an outside accountant for the LA branch a long time ago. During that time, the chief legal adviser, a liberal, quit over the insane policies that were adopted under Ramona Ripston. The ACLU is worse than ever.
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almost worse is when a regular friend / family association becomes "interesting" - you are the fish caught in the net trying to catch a dolphin, and they'll still keep that data "just in case"

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I don't doubt a word of that article, based on the higher ups at my \catholic all boys high school putting a pedophile that had to bail out of Canada for **** he did in the 50's and made him Dean of \Discipline. In addition \I had the \'opportunity" to work as a contractor for the archdiocese of Chicago. The lay staff was overwhelming male and majority gay, some could start a campfire by touch alone.

The priests were a little more circumspect and could hide their personality affectations as being spiritual and lovers of mankind
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Earlier this week Market-Ticker published an article http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?single.... about FB wanting to connect not just the purchase we made at a store, but also what was in that purchase to our bank accounts. Of course many people will go along with it as they falsely believe "I have nothing to hide". Yet every single one of those people will not want to share that exact same information, with their husband/wives, children, mom/dad or co-worker. Why?

They will answer "There is no reason for those people to know."

The truth of the matter is the vast majority of people will perceive letting an anonymous source have access to that data is less harmful to them than letting someone close to them know their daily routines.

This article about the Catholic church is just one more example of the mis-justice being forced upon us by those who have stolen from us their power and enslaved us in their system. Most of us will not have had or even personally know a child that is being abused by these perverts, but every time that happens and we allow it, the system enslaves us just a little bit more.

Every time we post on FB, use our debit/credit card sign up for 23&me we give the system just ".." that much more control over who we are.

Although I chose to believe in creation and a God, I have also for years, (decades actually) refused to participate in any form of organized religion. This has lead me to conflicts within my own belief system, and recently I asked if one believes there is a God, yet refuses to put up with the corruption man imposes on that belief, how does one reconcile the difference? I was told "You don't"

However when the church sets up a system that by design harms innocent people, especially when those innocents are children, it makes it easier for me to reconcile what I need to do.
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If you ever get into the system your in trouble. Ask the single father who had child protective services called on him. They clear you but never forget.
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Thank you for writing this mornings article. You said it very well.

Something that was once said to me, Right now people hear you. The problems for you will start when they begin to listen. Prepare yourself and your family accordingly.

I have often wondered about something once said to me by an influential person that people like me are not able to advance as easily or get certain positions due to the fact that we are so vanilla. Often I joked that I should pretend to have a vice (with the online world, perhaps quite easy) or do something nasty dirty and then try to get into the right places. Self-employment does have its advantages.

On another note, occasionally I express my animus to the Catholic system for the justifiable reason that I have seen the control files and profiling of youth from very young age and how it follows them. Additionally I have seen how persons in positions of authority, teachers and administrators, lorded over students that they could say things about them in secret from letters of recommendation to disciplinary files. The laity seemed to be the most virulent as they staged their coup a while back selling themselves as the solution to the priest immorality crisis. Often they have their own issues, at minimum ego. The Catholic church is in many aspects a large business out of necessity, consequently there are people there for employment only and include the myriad ways that people are evil in other jobs with similar opportunities, like corporate big data. The wonderful nuns that I knew and respected closed their academy for the things that they saw and experienced. Once the good are driven out, evil fills the void.

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Whitehat
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Incept: 2017-06-27

The People's Republic of New York
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the question is are you willing to sacrifice all that you are to keep all that you have.

i do not know where i heard this. it is the single most accurate assessment of our situation.

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There are two ways to be rich: One is by acquiring much, and the other is by desiring little.
snow, seasons, distance and dirt roads: SSDD
"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7)
Bagbalm
Posts: 5478
Incept: 2009-03-19

Just North of Detroit
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I believe that we will see more prosecutions of religious figures simply because the church(s) aren't as useful as they used to be to gather votes and excuse government actions.
Calling somebody out can be risky because you never know what somebody knows about YOU.
Story - In high school I got called into the office and the principal - assistant principal - and lady counselor were all there to dress me down for something. They chewed on me awhile and then the assistant principal said I had no morals. I'd been ignoring it all because I really didn't give a damn what they thought of me. But this guy was single - strikingly handsome and drove a powder blue T-bird convertible.
I finally spoke up and told him YOU don't talk to me about morals. I live in the apartment building on Chester Avenue where you visit the ***** upstairs twice a week like clockwork, and we hear her CB turned up loud all the way over while she tells you everything she is going to do for you. Then the ceiling just about comes down when you get there. You got no room to talk about my morals at all.
That kind up broke the love fest up.
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