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2015-10-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Oh this is terribly rich -- and funny.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Two years ago, Augustus Sol Invictus walked from central Florida to the Mojave Desert and spent a week fasting and praying, at times thinking he wouldn't survive. In a pagan ritual to give thanks when he returned home, he killed a goat and drank its blood.

Now that he's a candidate for U.S. Senate, the story is coming back to bite him.

The chairman of the Libertarian Party of Florida has resigned to call attention to Invictus' candidacy in hopes that other party leaders will denounce him. Adrian Wyllie, who was the Libertarian candidate for governor last year, says Invictus wants to lead a civil war, is trying to recruit neo-Nazis to the party and brutally and sadistically dismembered a goat.

It's an awkward situation for the small party that's trying to gain clout.

Hahahaha.... oh that's why Adrian resigned eh?  C'mon Adrian, cut the crap.

This is the well-justified comeuppance for a party that lost its view of what it really stood for quite some time ago.  I ought to know -- I was part of it for a while and resigned in disgust after the state party endorsed Gary Johnson for President, a man who wasn't very Libertarian and who famously stated nobody committed any crimes when it came to the financial crisis.

Oh really, nobody committed any crimes eh?  At the time I put forward a scrolling list of crimes.

Of course the so-called Libertarian Johnson did more than just that.  He also refused to engage on the medical monopoly issue, despite the fact that there are even more crimes found there!

It may be true that the Republicans and Democrats have no principles that matter; they simply run whatever puppet is convenient.  But the Libertarians try to claim they're different; sadly, they're not.

What Sol Invictus has done is thrown this in the party's face in such an outrageous and blatant fashion that it exceeded any thinking individual's tolerance.  But the seed of this disease in the Florida Libertarian Party goes back a hell of a long time, far longer in point of fact, it appears, than the 2012 campaign.

I left the party after attempting to put a stop to this crap by insisting that the party live to its principles and failing to carry the day in that regard.  Adrian himself got involved in his own little game of not really Libertarian, in my opinion, with his driver license screed in which he "refused" to renew his license over Real IDinstead of arguing that he had a right to travel and one cannot force licensing of a right.  There's actually case law precedent on this point, albeit very old case law, but to my knowledge it has never been cited and then overturned.

Instead Adrian did the politician thing and argued that it is "unjust" (e.g. unconstitutional) to be forced to positively identify oneself to obtain said "license."  As I pointed out to Adrian at the time this was a stupid line of attack because if one accepts that the government may license travel by the means common in the present day for non-commercial personal conveyance of one's person and effects, in other words that is not a right but a privilege that the government may grant (because it owns that right and thus may delegate it as it sees fit), then you lose instantly because there is a compelling state interest in being able to prove that only persons eligible to exercise said privilege are granted said license!

In short as I've argued many times a right cannot be subject to license or permit; the two are polar opposites.  You are granted a license or permit to do a thing otherwise prohibited.

The Libertarians have utterly failed in this regard in that their statement of principles and alleged party platform are clear yet they use mealy-mouth words such as "should" instead of "must" and "shall."  This in turn gives rise to the sort of twisted argument-by-expedience, and thus a refusal to demand that candidates adhere to the party principles or be disavowed.

It is a fact of law that one has only one means by which you can prevent someone from running on a given party ballot in this state, and that is to primary said person and beat them.  If you cannot manage to muster enough people, enough money and enough support to do that then anyone can show up on your ballot whether you like it or not, and that's exactly what happened.

The party got what it had coming to it in the form of Sol Invictus; sometimes it takes a while for the cosmic wheel of karma to come around, but it nearly always, given enough time, does.

Goodnight Gracie.

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Sleepycpa 828 posts, incept 2010-04-01
2015-10-07 11:19:54

Damn man, you pulling quotes from the Onion now?

I was a member of Oregon's Libertarian party for a while.

Basically, they were the party of "Legalize Dope".

While I've got no problem with that (and Dope IS legal here now) that really was the only issue the "Party leaders" would discuss.

Fortunately, Oregon allows voters to register as "unaffiliated" so I do vote. I know my vote is irrelevant at the Federal level, but there are still some local issues and candidates who win or lose by very slim margins.

What the hell is in the water down there? Drinking blood after walking to the Mojave? At least you guys get some entertainment value of it!

When you have to ask permission, it becomes a privilege, not a right.
Uwe 10k posts, incept 2009-01-03
2015-10-07 11:43:24

KD wrote..
the Libertarians try to claim they're different; sadly, they're not.

There's a small difference in degree, but none in kind.

Quite a few people have argued that "Libertarian Party" is an oxymoron; that you can't actually BE a libertarian (i.e adhere to the non-aggression principle) while actively participating in the political process, because the process itself has the underlying assumption that the initiation of aggression is OK as long has the the voters have approved of it.


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Ducarius 314 posts, incept 2010-08-25
2015-10-07 11:51:23

Anyone who has their name changed to Augustus Sol Invictus is not mentally firing on all cylinders and that name alone should have kept him out of any position in the party.
Captainkidd 2k posts, incept 2010-05-25
2015-10-07 12:05:54

The libertarian party reminds me of The Army of the 12 Monkeys sometimes.....

But all of the political parties disgust me, so why should this one be any different.

A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo

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Risingcream 4k posts, incept 2007-09-07
2015-10-07 16:19:42

Politicians are the most unfit to govern.

Civilization...ancient and wicked. --Subotai

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Fedwatcher 1k posts, incept 2009-04-07
2015-10-09 07:54:23

Libertarian as an economic theory has prospered.
Libertarian as a political philosophy has made progress.
Libertarian as a political party has never made the cut.

So the Florida Libertarian Party implodes, no big deal as the Libertarian Party has never made as much progress as its economic and political philosophies have.

The problem is that while many see the long term sustainable benefits, very few are willing to endure the short term pain required. This in politics is a death sentence.

It is a wonder that the Libertarian Party "brand" has lasted this long.

{Fedwatcher is not a Libertarian as I find too many holes in their "dogma". But then all political and economic dogmas have many "holes".}
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