You're a lying sack of ****.

Oh, and you're going to Hell.

Medicare Part "D" last year spent $85 billion -- that's drugs, which is your "bill."

Medicare and Medicaid combined spent $1,576 billion dollars.  That is, "drugs" were 5.39% of the whole -- an inconsequential portion of the entirety.

Are drug prices a serious issue?  Yep.  Will "negotiating" do a damn thing in the main to stop the impending collapse?

Nope.

You, Ms. PELOSUCKME, continue to as you have for the last two decades, intentionally, willfully, and criminally ignore the outrageous monopolist set of practices in the medical industry generally and as a direct consequence the people of this nation get ****ed out of $3 trillion a year.  One dollar in five in our economy is extorted through these schemes.

20% of the nation's employment is, approximately, directly related to and profits from this theft.  Those people love it.  The other 80%, which I remind you is a monstrous supermajority, would hang you and everyone else in DC if they had two nickels worth of IQ to rub together and engaged in thirty seconds worth of study of the MTS, which proves I'm right and you're a mendacious, murderous monster unworthy of the air you breathe.

Your continued refusal to demand prosecution of all of these firms and individuals, of which drug companies are only a tiny part, never mind Congress passing laws forbidding people to pack their suitcases with properly-produced and packaged drugs to arbitrage the international price-fixing (which is also illegal under 15 USC, I remind you, and was not exempted by said regulations) is why we face the collapse of our fiscal circumstances within the next five years.

Both you and I, Nancy, will almost-certainly live to see that and I pray every single night that you are held responsible for it when it occurs, both politically and personally because you, along with the rest of the 536 who infest DC, are responsible for what's will happen in just a few short years.

Oh incidentally, Nancy, in the event you think I'm in some way not equally sure Trump and the Republicans in Congress are also all going to Hell for the very same reason and this is a "partisan" issue: You're dead wrong about that.

You all suck.

The laws of mathematics, and specifically exponents, are not suggestions.

No, you think?

Matt, I know you're the lobbyist for all things Trump, and that's fine.  After all, given the field 2020 is pretty-much in the bag -- but that's not on Trump's strengths.  After all the money-tamper game (huge deficits, etc) didn't start under Trump and didn't really accelerate much under him either; it was Barry who did that.  But the master baiter is good at continuing and taking credit for it.

I remind you that the stock market was ramping under Barry too.  After all, the more extraction the better for the top 0.1% of the country, and they own all (statistically-speaking) the stock.

Look at what's "come of age" during that time.  Uber (extraction and repression of workers), Lyft (extraction and repression of workers), Amazon^2 (ditto), WeWork (megaditto, oops, that one blew up already sort-of) and more.  Indeed I challenge you to name just one business that has really taken off and accelerated which isn't extractive, repressive of working-class people, exploiting slave labor (including the government of China that is literally running concentration camps) or some combination of all three.

Then of course there is the entire medical system (federal spending went from $863 billion in FY2008, just before Obama was elected, to $1,576 billion in the fiscal year last completed, almost a clean double.

Remember, we were told that Obamacare would stop that and actually reverse it.  Well, it not only didn't stop it there was exactly zero real rate of change.  Now Trump has had three years in office and despite all the claims he made during the campaign about how he was going to take care of this problem he's done exactly nothing to halt any of those extractive and exploitive practices.

Nor will you do anything about it either, of course, will you Matt?

You were plenty content to lie to my face in a room full of Seniors and soon-to-be-Seniors who are going to take it up the ass in the next few years as a direct result of these exploitive and extractive practices which Trump promised to end and reverse in no fewer than three explicit bullet points on his campaign web site.  All three disappeared literally on election night and have never been seen since.

If you recall you claimed that 15 USC Chapter 1 didn't apply to medical firms, despite my citing not one but two US Supreme Court cases that directly say otherwise.  You promised to look into it and get back to me.  You not only lied about that you've done nothing about it since, including specifically in your district the ram-jobbing that is commonly performed by a couple of specific medical centers here that are strategically located where working people, who can't pay a million bucks for a house or afford $400/hour lawyers to go after people, happen to live is on the list of some of the worst abusers in this regard.

North Okaloosa, along with New Jersey’s Carepoint Health-Bayonne Hospital, tops the list of the U.S. hospitals with the highest markups for their services, according to a new study in Health Affairs. The study found that, on average, the 50 hospitals with the highest markups charged people 10 times more than what it cost them to provide the treatments in 2012.

Ten times eh?  Gee, that's a great "bargain"; of course I'm sure this is all a matter of free choice.  After all you'll gladly pay $25 a gallon for gasoline when the station across the street is selling it for $2.50.  Right?

Oh by the way, in what immediate area in terms of medical centers is the Okaloosa County Jail and who provided the medical care to inmates in said jail that resulted in a 10% property tax levy increase a couple of years ago?  You know, the ram-job that got shoved up every single resident's ass who lives in your district and which prompted one of our "commissioners" to call me a "fat cat" who could afford said tax increase when I dared challenge them on their quiet acceptance of that rape of the taxpayer in a public meeting?

Perhaps feeling the heat from not only this sort of thing but the impending blow-up in the Federal Budget (after all, Trump does know how to perform middle school arithmetic) the President recently put forward a "price transparency" Executive Order.  It mandates price discovery, or so he claims.

But what is the penalty for non-compliance with his suggestion?  $300, or approximately what you would pay for a speeding ticket in Okaloosa County once fees and costs are totaled up and that assumes you qualify for "traffic school."

I'm sure NOMC will be so worried with their 1,000% mark-up when it comes to paying a $300 fine.  Why they'll have to make their mark-up 1,005% to cover that additional expense!

WHAT A ****ING JOKE THIS PRESIDENT IS WHEN IT COMES TO KEEPING HIS PROMISES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY STOP THE SCREWING OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

But heh, so long as the market keeps going up you can run in 2024 and I bet you got a crack at it too, especially after you scold everyone who doesn't do what Trump wants yet is a Republican.  Never mind that the last time I checked we are supposed to be a federal collection of states, not a nation where a dictator picks Senators.

When did we amend the Constitution to make the President the decider on Senators?

I mean, don't get me wrong -- we really ****ed up when we passed the 17th Amendment.  Prior to that the State Legislature could recall Senators and decided how they were to be chosen in the first place, and frequently did both.  This was a tremendous check and balance in that jackwads like you couldn't go to Congress and cram anything down the State's throats because if the Senate didn't have consent of the state legislatures there would be a crap-ton of vacancies in the Senate shortly thereafter.  Thus that never happened, right up until the 17th Amendment after which it has happened on an unbroken basis.  Worse, the 17th Amendment is the only Amendment that requires a shooting revolution to repeal since there's no possible way the sitting Senators will ever vote themselves out of a job, short of being at least credibly threatened with being shot.

I have long held (for some 30 years now) that when the book on the United States is closed the 17th Amendment will be underlined as the reason the nation and its government failed.  But.... it's water under the dam and since I wasn't alive when it was passed, and am not willing to die tomorrow there's nothing I can do about it.

Except point out when the scold patrol continues to ramble on toward the fiscal cliff which is rapidly approaching -- and should arrive right about the time of the 2024 elections.

We appear to be, quite sadly, on course to discover whether those ballots will be cast with pens or guillotines.

For that, Mr. Gaetz, you can take full and fair credit.

As expected Michael Bloomberg is in the Democrat primary race.

Let's see what we have here.

He made his money off a monopoly business. That's what the Bloomberg terminal basically is.  Oh, you say it's not?  Well show me who else has a similar service and data sources on trading desks.  Uh huh.  How'd that nearly-universal thing happen?  Shall we dig into that?

Second, he thinks, as a function of his wealth and former political power as a mayor, that he knows better than everyone else and worse, is not only qualified he has the right to tell you what you can and cannot eat and drink.  Remember his soda tax and bar on larger cup sizes?  Is obesity a problem?  Yes.  Does this give government the right to impose, under penalty of law, a requirement that you not do something unhealthy?  You want that in the ***** House?

Third, haven't you had enough of billionaires who don't give a **** about the monopolist health care system that is destroying not only your health but this nation?  Why hasn't one of these rat bastards actually done something about it when they have been in a position of political power to do so? 

And finally, if you think the media isn't a carved-up monopoly, you should note that the memo sent out by Bloomberg the "news" organization explicitly stated that it is their long-standing policy not to investigate their journalistic rivals.  That one clear and unambiguous statement of collusion between alleged competitors in the memo alone should result in an instantaneous criminal indictment under 15 USC Chapter 1 aimed at not only Bloomberg but also Reuters and CNBC.  If you haven't figured out by now that being an oligopolist is just one small breath removed from being a monopolist, and that all of this is supposed to be illegal but is never prosecuted, and that is how billionaires become and remain same you're not very bright.

Never mind the other obvious conflict -- running for public office while owning a media company reporting on your competition, which it says now it will partially suspend -- against other Democrats, of course, but not Trump.  Yeah, that's a good idea -- can we call that "election interference"?

**** him.

You have to give Andrew Yang credit for being willing to put forward "UBI" -- a $1,000 a month "stipend" that he foolishly calls a "Freedom Dividend" -- with of course a boat-load of fraudulent claims of how he's going to pay for it.

Chief among these is a 10% VAT -- which sounds good, but it's problematic for a whole host of reasons, not the least of which is that it won't raise enough money.

Remember that a VAT exempts government spending, since that's just taxing yourself.  Yang recognizes this and pegs the revenue from a VAT at $800 billion as he also removes groceries, clothing and apparently some other things from it.

He also says he's going to "consolidate" (get rid of) many other welfare programs.  The problem is that the only ones that matter from a budget perspective are health care related.

At the same time Yang wants to expand Medicare to everyone.  The problem is that these two programs are in direct opposition to each other.  He says he'll be able to bring costs under control but Medicare and Medicaid have utterly failed to do so.

In other words Yang is a pie-in-the-sky Democrat protecting and in fact expanding the medical monopolists.

Look folks -- CMS -- Medicare and Medicaid Services, have spent $1.465 trillion through August which is 35% of the federal spending all-in.  The federal budget deficit during that time was $1.067 trillion.

In other words that spending was 137% of the deficit.

If you killed all the medical monopolists and took the "low hanging fruit" as I described in that post you would erase the entire federal deficit, plus some and not one person would be denied medical care.

Further, you'd take roughly another trillion and a half off private forced spending on this alleged "service" since the "service" is 500% overpriced.

This would instantly resolve both the federal debt and all the state and local pension problems -- at once.  It would also eliminate the destruction of personal purchasing power and that of saved funds.

20% of the people in the country -- those who are involved in and require this scheme to make a living -- would hate you.

EVERYONE ELSE WOULD VOTE FOR YOU.

In short this is one of those nearly-impossible to find 80% issues among the electorate.  That's exactly what Trump exploited (a claimed 80% issue that he never actually addressed) to get elected himself -- illegal immigration and displacement of American workers.

He was lying, as we now all know in that instead of resolving any of these problems he has dripped out half-measures where, as the head of the Executive he could have resolved several of them immediately but that sales job is why he's President today.

Yang seems to think that socialism will somehow "work" in health care.  It never has -- in health care or anywhere else.  NHS in Britain is falling apart.  So are the other socialist health care systems.  They're falling apart even though they exist almost-entirely on the back of the 500% overcharge Americans pay in that we effectively fund the R&D and in many cases the reproduction cost of everything they use.  Even with that sort of outrageous transfer and theft they're still fiscally underwater.

Yang could have -- and perhaps, for a very short period of time forward still can -- become a credible candidate.  He needs an 80% issue -- indeed, anyone who intends to try to take on Warren, Bernie or Biden does, just as I've argued for decades that if you want to try to run as a third-party candidate you need to as well.

Remember Ross Perot?  He took up an 80% issue -- the giant sucking sound of "tariff free" trade with Mexico.  Had he not folded his tent he would have likely won too.

There are so many other crackpot ideas on Yang's plate that frankly, I can't take him seriously.  The "vote at 16" idea is one of them.  Representation comes with responsibility, or at least it's supposed to.  Yang is nothing more than pandering with this bull**** -- if my kid can vote at 16 I can eject him or her at 16 and they can go fend for themselves.

There are acts that should define you as an adult in all respects.  Reproduction and Felonious conduct are two of them.  Voting is a third.  Today we refuse to recognize that exercising the most-profound power a human can have -- to reproduce or not -- does not come with the responsibility commensurate with that power.  This must change and since slavery is immoral (never mind illegal) there's only one direction it can that is consistent: Pregnancy, for both sexes, is an automatic and irrevocably emancipating event.  So is a felony conviction.

Further, Andrew is a pie-in-the-sky economic bull****ter.  "Saving for retirement", which is one of his planks, is impossible in a nation where the federal government runs a 25%+ fiscal deficit and thus destroys the value of all saved capital.  This has to be stopped -- or those who both promote policies that allow and expand that practice must be removed from the public square by any means necessary.

Fortunately for Andrew there is a way to stop the deficit spending and get the 80% issue and greatly improve health care delivery while slashing cost by 80% or more.

But he hasn't taken it -- just like the rest haven't either.

That's because he doesn't really believe in any of it, just as neither do the others -- including our current President.

Sadly they're all bull****ters and con artists.

Here's what you get if you basically draft me, since I don't fit either the RINO or Communist party profile:

• Wage, environmental, IP theft, government oppression/subsidy and currency manipulation tariffs.  There will be zero incentive for any entity selling to anyone in America to place manufacturing or anything else (assembly, sourcing, etc) in a foreign nation to try to arbitrage poor people, dump poison in their water, into the air or on their land instead of here, etc.  Each class of goods will have the appropriate tariff calculated on a per-nation basis with no exceptions.  Any nation or firm attempting to circumvent this by cross-shipping or falsifying records will lead to an immediate, 100% embargo of all involved goods with them seized and destroyed on entry.  Again -- no exceptions.  Yes, this includes (but certainly isn't limited to) China, Vietnam, India and Mexico.
  
  
• 100% E-Verify now.  All employers have six months to comply for existing employees, all new hires must have it run.  Liability is personal and cannot be thrown off on a staffing company or other scheme.  All 941s (quarterly withholding filings) must include E-Verify control numbers on them.  Congress will receive a bill on my first day in office to upgrade failure to include same on 941s, hiring or paying people without reporting accurately on same, or any other form of evasion by any means to a criminal felony with 5 years in the slam-slam for each person so not-reported or evaded, served consecutively, with no pleas or reductions allowed along with a $50,000 fine per person, per year who is not reported accurately.  That ends the BS.
  
  
• It shall be the policy of this nation that no free trading relationship nor normal customs and immigration relationship shall exist with any nation that permits either their nationals or foreign nationals to travel through or use their border with our nation for the purpose of unlawful entry into the United States, nor shall such a relationship exist with any nation that suborns or permits its nationals to violate our laws whether in regard to people, goods or services.  Mexico in particular shall cut this crap out or the border will be closed -- period.  The National Emergency required to do this has already been issued by Trump and I will execute on that on my first day in office.  This shall also be applied to China as a consequence of its export of fentanyl and precursors intended for unlawful distribution in the United States.
  
  
• H1b visa sponsors shall be required to pay 200% of the prevailing wage in America.  If there is truly a shortage or is being used to import those who are truly exceptional minds, to the point that we simply can't meet the challenge here, so be it -- the cost of doing so compared to the benefit will be tiny.  If this visa is being abused by corporations a wage suppression artifice, and today it is, that's ending.  Right now.
  
  
• As President my first and foremost duty is to protect the integrity of the United States.  This includes physical security at the US border.  If necessary the military will be deployed to defend same against any and all invaders.  Our military exists for the primary purpose of preventing and repelling any attempted invasion of United States territory.  This is not only Constitutionally permitted it is Constitutionally required of the Commander in Chief.  This does not violate The Posse Comitatus Act; the military will not be there to execute a civilian police action, they will be deployed to prevent and turn back invasion.  If you want to come and apply as an immigrant, whether claiming asylum or otherwise, do it lawfully at a port of entry or US Embassy.
  
  
• 100% enforcement of 15 USC Chapter 1.  Amazon is the poster child in the retail space but hardly the only offender.  The entire medical space will also have this enforced against them.  See my model bill for how to fix it entirely.  Until passed I'll be content to throw lots of hospital executives and virtually every pharma company head in the slam-slam and destroy every one of their firms with ruinous fines.  Yes, as the head of the Executive (law enforcement) I can do that without ANY new laws, and will.
  
  
• 100% legalization and regulation of marijuana immediately by de-scheduling.  The DEA is under the DOJ, and as the head of the Executive I'm their boss.  THC will be de-scheduled immediately.  Period.  In addition a full review of the medical and scientific evidence will be undertaken for every drug currently on said schedule and they shall be adjusted accordingly.  No ifs, ands or buts.  States can do what they wish but on a federal level it's done on Day #1 and I will fire as many people as necessary and replace on an interim basis until it happens.
  
  
• BEA and BLS will be directed to remove all "hedonic" and similar adjustments immediately and permanently.  As they are under the Department of Commerce and Labor, respectively, they too are under the Executive.  Therefore said order will be issued on Day #1.  Inflation numbers shall have all hedonic adjustments removed immediately and on a forward basis, and in addition productivity shall be removed from inflation numbers as well.  That is, inflation is inflation and we're going to stop lying about it.
  
  
• The Fed will either adjust policy to meet its mandate of stable prices over the medium term or I will do whatever I must to destroy and replace it.  Period.  They do not have the privilege of re-writing legislation and "stable" means unchanging, not 2% "doctored and fraudulent" inflation.  Specifically they will control money and credit aggregates to reverse the scam of the false inflation numbers via hedonics and productivity that were unlawfully applied over the last 30+ years.  I understand doing this in a week can't happen, but it will happen and they will run policy commensurate with their Congressional mandate or I will find a way to remove them by whatever means it takes.  Cue President Jackson on this one, if it comes to it; Treasury can be directed to butt**** The Fed under Executive power, that's already obvious and actually not even slightly difficult given the will and I will do so.
  
  
• A National Emergency will be declared on the first day of my Administration relating to the Internet and threat to our Republic that the current abuse of same both foreign and domestic has incurred.  The specific demands for reform will include separation of utility and application functionality with the former being absolutely barred from discrimination in sales of like kind and quantity for any firm with more than $100 million a year in revenue worldwide.  Any firm that refuses will have all foreign transactions blocked in accordance with the 1970s NEA powers and all dollar-denominated transactions and assets frozen.  Further any coordinated action to ban particular political perspectives, points of view or publishers shall bring instant prosecution under 15 USC carrying felony criminal penalties.  I will perp-walk every single major social media, transport, cloud and DNS company executive straight into federal prison if I must. The bullcrap we're dealing with now will stop or the firms doing it will be destroyed with their executives asset-stripped to their underwear.
  
  
• The 2nd Amendment shall be restored.  I shall seek declaratory judgment from the Supreme Court on the fraud in Miller's instance and, once having secured same shall move to have the entire body of existing "gun control", other than actual commerce between states which does remain a federal power, declared void.  In addition the 14th Amendment guarantees incorporation against State Laws on matters of civil rights.  Any state or local government official who disagrees will find themselves in the federal slam-slam facing 18 USC 242 charges.  Until that is accomplished the DOJ shall be directed to ignore that blatantly unconstitutional set of laws and if they or any other federal agency refuses I shall issue pardons to anyone they arrest on any non-violent firearms offense.  If you want to make, own and carry a firearm, suppressor or whatever -- have at it.  If some federal agency cop shows up and tries to bust you the next morning you'll be pardoned.  I don't care if I wear out 1,000 pens signing pardons.  This bull**** will stop -- right now.
  
  
• The 4th Amendment shall be restored.  The entire "policing for profit" revenue share model on civil forfeiture is rankly unconstitutional and the entirety of that program will be scrapped by Executive Order on my first day in office.  Any state, county or local official who continues it beyond that day shall be subject to arrest and indictment by the federal government under 18 USC 242 which explicitly prohibits the violation of Constitutional Rights under color of law or authority.  That is a criminal statute and I will be more than happy to put 50,000 local cops and county sheriffs in the federal slam-slam if I must.  We'll have plenty of room with all the weed violations that will be released.  This crap will stop; if some copshop claims that money or property is the fruit of an illegal act before they can seize and attempt to forfeit it they must obtain a felony criminal conviction on the underlying offense and prove the connection beyond a reasonable doubt.  Period.
  
  
• The Glo-bull warming scam will be stopped dead.  All federally funded research and data, past, present and future shall be declared as public domain.  Mann and his cohorts will be forced to disgorge same or be charged with theft (or destruction, if they try to evade it via tampering) of government property.  Enough.
  
  
• I shall demand of Congress that the current law permitting International Cartels to operate in facial violation of 15 USC Chapter 1 be repealed.  This is an outrage passed in the 1970s in response to the Arab Oil Embargo.  Congress shall be called upon to repeal it on their first day in session.  Period.  Until they do I shall tariff all cartel-controlled products, including oil, sufficiently to make them non-economic for import and sale in the United States.  We can be oil-independent today and until Congress puts a stop to the OPEC rape-job one way or another we shall be.
  
  
• I shall demand of Congress an immediate rescission of (1) all federal funding of student loans and (2) immediate removal of the "privileged" status of such debt on a forward basis from bankruptcy discharge.  All such lending on a forward basis shall be private and shall be subject to the risk of bankruptcy discharge.  This will instantly collapse the cost of college to something you can afford to attend and engage in by working at Starbucks.
  
  
• It shall be the national energy policy of the United States to explore and, if justified, develop LFTR-based nuclear energy, including using coal as the Thorium feedstock, so as to become entirely energy independent through its use and CTL technology within 20 years.  The math and basis for this is found in this post from 2011, or if you prefer in my book Leverage.  This is achievable given the technology of today and we shall do it as a nation so as to never again be able to be held hostage for electricity, transportation or war-fighting fuels.
  
  
• It shall be the foreign policy of the United States that unless (1) an American or (2) a piece of American property, including a flagged vessel, aircraft, embassy or other item is damaged or destroyed it is not a matter for our military.  The United States shall respect the sovereign power of all nations.  However, no nation shall enjoy a free and open trading relationship nor shall the ownership and control of any US property whether physical, intellectual or otherwise be recognized on an equal and unimpaired basis by any of their firms or nationals if said nation does not afford all of its citizens on a substantially equal basis the freedoms guaranteed by the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments to the US Constitution along with substantially equal rights without regard to sex, race, color and creed.
  
  
• It shall be the goal of my administration to fire half of all Federal Employees within my first term and shrink both the Federal Statute Books and CFRs by 50%.  I think I can do better, but that's the goal for the first 4 years.  We'll see.
  
  
• I shall neither submit or sign any budget that runs a deficit except in a time of declared war and in fact shall sign no budget that does not run a surplus as a percentage of GDP equal to the previous 12 months productivity gain or more if same is positive.  End of discussion, full stop.  Whatever the government wishes to do it will pay for, and all such shall include the room for whatever supplemental appropriations may arise including disasters.  No exceptions.  Disasters are not known in advance but that they happen every year is.  Further the government shall not steal the natural improvement in purchasing power that belongs to the citizens as a consequence of their improvement in productivity either.
  
  
• No, I will not stop using "colorful language" when it is appropriate.  Running a nation is an adult job.  Children do not have a seat at the table -- not because they aren't respected but because they lack the experience, wisdom, impulse control and judgment to be considered an appropriate resource in such matters.  If you're incapable of dealing with adult matters then feel free to go hide in your "safe space" and let the adults do what has to be done -- including, occasionally, erecting a well-earned middle finger.
  
  
• No, I will not publish my tax returns.  The requirements to run for President are in the Constitution.  Tax returns are confidential, period, end of discussion.  Incidentally, so are medical records (HIPPA) so no, I won't be taking any public medical exams either.  However, you're welcome to peruse my running time records in races where I publicly appear and there is a publicly-visible clock, and draw from that whatever conclusions you wish.

To the extent any of this requires Congressional approval I will veto at my discretion every single bill that comes across my desk until the necessary statutes are enacted or repealed.  This specifically includes but is not limited to all spending bills.  In addition to the extent spending is constrained by said vetos I will direct that the first cuts are to all security, maintenance, utility and other facilities and programs that benefit any member of Congress or their staff.  They will either do their damn job or they'll take the brunt of their refusal, unlike Barry Soetero who punished ordinary Americans when Congress didn't do what he wanted.

There's plenty more but this will be a good start for my platform.

I'm available for public debate on any or all of this platform against anyone else who believes they have better ideas and wishes to take the left seat.  As noted, since I'm aware of no party interested in these positions one of them will have to draft me....

As for electors and the state filings for same we'll cross that bridge if there's enough to be worth doing what has to be done to make that happen.

This page is subject to update but no commitment above shall be materially weakened or changed to the detriment of the people of this nation, and if challenged on same I will produce the entire audit log of this page back to the original posting of this message. -- Karl