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2024-12-06 07:32 by Karl Denninger
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.... or just travel a lot.

Starlink has their "mini" dish on sale.  You can buy one here and if you use this link you'll get a free month of service (I will too.)

Here's the short form:

  • Latency is very low -- which is really nice.  ~30ms is my usual, which is equal or better than what I get on a landline.

  • Advertised performance is not what might be claimed, but its still in the category of "good"; with a full and clear view of the sky, and aligned per the app's "correct" setting, I'm seeing ~70mbps down and ~30-40 up.  Of note this is ~3x typical cable modem speeds on the upbound side, which is excellent, but not the 100mbps often claimed on the "mini" dish.

  • Jitter is quite good.  Better than I expected, and definitely good enough for remote work and video streaming.  No issues there.

On the physical side the mini dish is roughly the size of a business laptop.  That's the good news; it easily fits in a modest backpack. The included power supply is allegedly USB-C/PD but has a triple-sealed barrel connector so if you want to use something other than 120V power (which you apparently can; I haven't yet for lack of connector which I will take care of) provided it has 20V output, it should work.  Starlink says it must be 20V/5A (or 100W PD output) however it appears that operating power requirements are actually around 25W provided you shut the "snow melt" function off, which (since its a heater) would wildly increase power use if the panel had to use it.  I already have a passel of 65W 12V PD adapters which all have 20V output since they have to in order to work do charge my laptop (and they do.)

Note that POE is not supported; only the "++" version would be expected to have enough power and only with the snow melt function disabled, so I understand why Starlink didn't attempt to do so.  Thus yes, its always two cables if you need a wired connection -- data and power separately.

If you intend to use it truly "off grid" power consumption has to be figured out because while the hardware fits in the backpack with power consumption of about 25W in use that's 2A of 12V power plus conversion inefficiency on the PD adapter, so figure probably in the 3A range off your 12V supply.  That's not trivial -- but it IS much nicer than the amp-sucking power requirement for the "standard-sized" dish.  Power budget matters if you're off-grid and batteries are both heavy and large.  In an RV that matters much less than it does if you intend to actually use it "detached."

There are plenty of claims that if you want to use the wired ethernet you need to use the app to put the panel in "bypass" mode and then connect your own router.  This is not the case if you only need one device; plugging directly into the unit works perfectly well.  But again Elon has gamed it to a degree in that the Ethernet port on the antenna is non-standard sort of.  Its sealed, which makes sense as the actual antenna is likely to be outdoors when in use, but its rather offensive that there's no interface cable included that terminates on a standard connector.  Starlink sells one but again its very long and, for a cable, obscenely expensive.  The aftermarket has come up with a number of answers to this and the best one I've seen so far appears to be one that has the sealed connector on one end and a double-barrel compression gland on the other -- inside of which is a standard RJ45 jack.  A standard Ethernet cable will connect in the on-panel jack but will not lock due to the seal and jack arrangement in the unit, but for "I need to use it right now" type of situations over a wired link yes, you can -- just maneuver the plug in the hole after you remove the seal and be aware if you tug on it the plug will come out.

I have the "Roam 50" plan turned on which gives you 50Gb of data per month for $50 and can be turned on and off without penalty as needed.  That's perfect for either emergency use or if you travel sometimes but not always; 50Gb is pretty good as a data allocation (well beyond what you can buy for similar money on a cellular link from most carriers) and of course it works literally anywhere you can see the sky.  Also, and quite-importantly for people who are intermittently roaming like me you can put the antenna inside a vehicle behind a windshield without a performance hit.  I wouldn't do that in the summer sun in a sitting vehicle, but if you're comfortable (e.g. in an RV when not moving) other than "must face the RV the right direction so you can align it" that's quite a reasonable thing to do given the small size of the panel itself.  With the Gen3 standard -- not so much.

The panel also comes with built in 2.4 and 5Ghz WiFi hotspots (by default they are on one SSID but you can split them) and both work -- the signal on both is quite strong.  During testing with the unit on my back deck I was able to get both downstairs which has exterior between the unit and my phone on 5Ghz and would be expected to completely block the signal -- it didn't, although the quality was fairly crappy.

I would not call this a replacement for terrestrial service, especially if you have fiber available.  Its quite expensive where there are terrestrial alternatives -- but obviously if you travel or live where there aren't any good ones that's an entirely different story.

Provided you pay attention to your use case I like it.  At the original ask for the mini hardware I found it simply too expensive to be worth the spend, but with it currently being $150 off for the hardware I decided to pick one up, check it out and see if I wanted to keep it, and then have it in reserve here at the house if there are outrages along with using it when traveling in my RV.

I'm keeping it.

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