Mjsmith wrote..

Make a list of significant civilizations in the entirety of recorded human history that did NOT spiral into a flaming crater of socialism within a handful of generations of giving their women the vote.

Brilliant and I agree.

I was just trying to "thread the needle". Most folks' kneejerk reactions are to list a GOAT when someone challenges orthodoxy. Gaussian distributions aren't exactly mainstream thinking. :)

Other than Cleopatra, I really can't think of a female leader who led her nation-state through an existential crisis. Elizabeth I didn't defeat the Spanish. The Spanish defeated the Spanish. But it's immaterial. For every 1 female "great", irrespective of a crisis, there are at least 100 equal men.

I don't get why the West has become so sissified that it can't acknowledge the self-evident strengths and weaknesses of each sex. I guess Western women and beta men are bound and determined to starve to death.