If Karl can understand these (relatively complex) concepts and then explain them in a way that the folks here understand ... I imagine very few of us are MDs or PhDs ... Then what the hell is wrong with these doctors, researchers, scientists?

This has to more than just greed and arrogance. The consequences are simply staggering. And if you didn't know, you would proceed slowly and with great caution. Testing and retesting, questioning and debating all the way.

So what is going to happen with the organizations, businesses and companies that have mandated their employees get the jabb? No military? No hospital systems? No colleges? A greatly reduced population? Revert to the 1800s?

All if this is truly frightening.

@Quantum said:
"@Spaceace: It looks like your management is setting the stage to pit the vaxxed against the unvaxxed. Something like this might follow:

We are going to have to re-institute universal masking. We had hoped to avoid this, but a large minority of employees have refused to be vaccinated to protect themselves, their families, and their co-workers. If you do not enjoy wearing a mask, please encourage your co-workers who are unvaccinated to make an appointment in the occupational health clinic..."

@Tickerguy said:
@Quantum - such an approach is fertile ground for a "hostile work environment" lawsuit. Any firm attempting that is going to get a horse dick up their anus.

Seems to be pretty similar to what the NFL is doing right now. Severe peer pressure on their players to get vaxxed. Blame all outbreaks on the unvaccinated despite the evidence vaccinated can and will spread at the risk of the entire team losing game checks.

I keep wondering why the "vaccines" all rely on the spike protein... Especially the mRNA vaccines could quite easily be "programmed" to produce other virus proteins, no? Like the nucleosid protein; so why didnt anybody do that?

My 2 cents: the spike protein is the one that is exceedingly well researched; indeed the whole "gain of function" affair (i.e. using the spike for future medicinal purposes, of getting molecules into cells) points to this. See the now infamous Daszak quote, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK....

So it was quasi-available, never really worked before, and along came SARS2; perhaps they tried to hoist the virus by its own petard. (Which it wouldnt even have, if it werent for that very research.)

Jolly,

You're not the only one this is taking a toll on. I'm fighting the battle with someone who ought to know and is being willfully ignorant of ADE and the long term effects of the spike proteins. I'm fucking exhausted at this point...

HOMERUN of a ticker. I had this exact discussion with a believer on Saturday. He had no idea what a non-sterilizing vaccine was nor how it would impact mutations. He was pale after our discussion. BTW, he's a pharmacist.

Prophylactic Q:

I'm now on IVM. For prophylactical care, I've read a few different takes. I have the 1% Agro-mectin cattle liquid. I ingested 2 ccs yesterday at lunch. My plan was to take it once a month. Any other suggestions or wisdom on the topic would be appreciated?

As an aside, I've been suffering from lower back pain over the past month. I woke up this morning pain free. Coincidence?

Dr. Bhakdi is nearly begging people to not get additional injections. He is obviously horrified at the potential outcome of doing so.

*Imagine*

An evil group of scientists decides to conquer a planet somewhere in space inhabited by a civilisation of unsuspecting borgs.

Plan of action:
1. Create a dastardly new disease.
2. Release disease in various places.
3. Invent a new, untested miracle cure.
4. Prevent borgs from using their own medicine.
5. Lock them into their homes, stop travel, stop pleasure, until they gratefully accept the scientists' miracle cure.
6. Murder the stragglers who don't want the miracle cure.
7. Order restored, and the borgs enter gleefully into their New Abnormal.

Twist to the tale
The miracle cure could not cure the disease. It killed many within days, and others over a number of years. Borgs could not breed. It was eventually discovered that the cures were in fact a number of different cures given to different borg regions - salt water, different dangerous chemicals, dissolved metals. They were not cures at all.

In the end, the borgs died. The scientists went back to their planet - satisfied after their successful experiment.

@Jollyrogers


Your first clue should have been when TPTB shut down all debate. That really tells you all you need to know.

Second, if you have been following this mass psychosis for the last 18 months....there have been two sides.

Side one (TPTB) have been wrong (consistently) at every turn. Pretty much nothing significant they said turned out to be correct. Predictions utterly wrong. The list is too long to list. People died en mass due to their policies.

Side two (Karl and those that follow actual science instead of "the science") have been correct the entire time. With predictions made last year that have now come to pass. Complete with rationale.

Choose wisely.

Homer, couldn't agree more. Since anyone that works in the field of virology should understand one of the most basic facts pointed out repeatedly here by KD about the idiocy of using a non-sterilizing vaccine on a mass scale, as it will cause what is happening now; the only conclusion that you can come to is that everything that is going on is a planned event. It's so basic that it is the equivalent to 3rd grade math for these so called "scientists". The "vaccine" is part of the plan to assfuck the population. If you break it down to the basics, this is the ONLY explanation. The sooner you realize this the better off you'll be. They aren't stupid, they are just evil. These criminals against humanity know exactly what they're doing. This is a culling of the herd right now by the demons running this clusterfuck. And, big pharma can make assloads of money at the same time!!!! Point, set, match.

Really good read:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/b....

For the fun of it, Dice shows just how stupid the average moron is. Propaganda works on the sheeple masses. I think I'll order one of his arrest Dr. Fraudci shirts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBRLUGMe....

"Surely booster shots will be necessary to extend that protection."

Yes, and it will also extend the microclotting. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll tootsie pop? Probably a fair sight more than it takes for microclots to accumulate into megaclots.

Dingleberry

I worked as a pharma supplier.

Some were great people. But patients are viewed in terms of cash flow. Which makes sense I guess. But there is MASSIVE incentive to NEVER cure a problem.

With our current healthcare system, it is rent seeking at its core.

TG

Question on the hostile work environment.

A lawyer friend, who is looking to retire soon, said "Red, we are living in a post law form of society". He does not believe any lawsuit dealing with covid shots will be allowed to be heard. In short, he does not believe any law protecting people from forced shots that is on the books right now will be followed or even acknowledged. Granted, he is 70 something and pretty much a miserable bastard screaming at the sky (which is why he is hanging it up soon).

Do you think a suit of hostile work environment would be given standing?

"@Jollyrogers - The most-serious problem with "take it, and the boosters" is that the data appears to show some sort of exponential risk (not linear!) with each successive jab when it comes to serious adverse events."

So, if I'm reading this right, the vaccinated are in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" position? Either wean off the vaccine and be exposed to the risk of ADE/OAS until the non-neutralizing antibodies dissipate or take more jabs and risk an adverse effect. Is it certain that ADE and/or OAS will wear off as the non-neutralizing antibodies wane or can it be a more permanent feature?

Tickerguy wrote..

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of "You're fucked, fool."

In a couple of weeks I have to attend a dinner party with a lot of those screaming harpies, at a Chinese restaurant. I will really struggle to not laugh when they start gabbing about their jabs, as they surely will.

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"The higher I go, the crookeder it gets." --Michael Corleone

So is someone who is vaxxed gets a break through delta infection will he now have better immunity to the whole virus?

Then there is this: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cuom....

I would love to see transit employees walk in NY. Not to mention the grocery store scenes.

Smells of mega desperation.

@Redjack -

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Do you think a suit of hostile work environment would be given standing?

It had better be. If it isn't, and it might not be, then contemplate how many people just like this wind up being out there, most of whom are entirely silent, and what percentage of THOSE PEOPLE (1) have no wife (e.g. divorced), (2) have no other kids and (3) know who killed the last thing they had to lose.

Yeah that ain't good. And it's where we're headed very, very rapidly if there is no recourse to the law and this is seen as compulsory rather than a poor personal choice.

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Post Law cuts both ways. They really need to think carefully about that.

Well, the gal that works with me got the Pfizer jabs about a month or so ago (the 2nd shot, at least). She has 2 people in her household with the 'vid, but she tested negative yesterday. She had Covid first part of this year and got the shot anyways, much to my dismay.

We've got some drivers and plant manager that have tested positive over the weekend/today (plant manager went out of town previous weekend), but not sure if drivers got it from him or elsewhere.

Will be interesting to see how my co-worker (and myself). I took a prophylaxis dose of IVM this AM (previous doses were a little over a week or so ago, but since I knew this was going on, I did another) and took my normal quercetin/zinc, D, C, Selenium and regular multi-vitamin. Tried to space the multi out from dosing with the others thinking it may give my body time to absorb more, but not sure how that really works...just an assumption of mine.

retired veterinarian buddy was still in hospital...getting more info. He was sick since end of June and since he knows what's going on with the medical system, he didn't want to go there. Guess he waited too long. He did get transferred to MUSC and ended up trying to walk out, but a buddy doc of his saw him and took over his care. His O2 levels are the issue, mainly, that I know of. Have not received an update in a few days, though.

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In a couple of weeks I have to attend a dinner party with a lot of those screaming harpies, at a Chinese restaurant. I will really struggle to not laugh when they start gabbing about their jabs, as they surely will.

Also at the new health problems they're experiencing for no absolutely reason at all...

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The learning curve for being dead is steep, but everyone gets it down pat on the first go usually.--Thystra, March 28, 2023

@Redjack said: "A lawyer friend, who is looking to retire soon, said "Red, we are living in a post law form of society". He does not believe any lawsuit dealing with covid shots will be allowed to be heard. In short, he does not believe any law protecting people from forced shots that is on the books right now will be followed or even acknowledged. Granted, he is 70 something and pretty much a miserable bastard screaming at the sky (which is why he is hanging it up soon)."

@Redjack, I am a lawyer also - a small-timer, for sure. I think the key will be where this goes from here and if public perception/emotion swings the other way. If this goes as Karl is predicting, the narratives all break down and people feel lied to, I'd think you'll find legal suits will gain a bunch of traction and there'll be favorable outcomes. Just look at the saga of Colin Kapernick. In the public eye he went from pariah to saint. He was the same person and had the same stance/message the whole time. It was strictly a matter of public perception changing. If this swings around, suits like the Houston Baptist one will likely have a completely different outcome, certainly if unions are involved, and possibly even if employees are deemed "at will" if they recognize this as a form of medical discrimination.

Apparently that leaked cdc deck reported natural immunity fails after 6 months. This sounds like propaganda but there was some other info in that deck that says so do vaccines.

Any thoughts on that?

Karl - taking a moment to thank you for your reporting and running this site. It is an oasis of sanity in a world that has collectively lost its mind. Been a daily reader for over 12 yrs. Thanks also to all the people who comment. Best board on the net.

Just got my sterilizing, durable immunity this past weekend. FLCCC protocol got me through with minimal discomfort. Hold the line, friends...it may be the vaxxed that fight this battle for us if the next couple of months trend as Karl has shown.

@Winesorbet - Meh. The data out of Israel says the jabs are basically worthless after six months in terms of infection.

They MAY retain protection against HX/Death. We don't know, and the reason we don't know is that Israel, like everyone else, jabbed the old people FIRST. So there ARE no young people with six month histories to know if the serious outcome risk remains suppressed in that cohort.

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Saw a second article on the FDA approving the Pfizer jab. The end game of approval being mandatory vaccination.

Does this mean they will be liable for side effects?

Some how I doubt it unless the idea is that Pfizer is not a US company and can somehow escape litigation. Or that Pfizer will be sacrificed to the profit gods.

The idea here is if they do get FDA approval I will wait as long as possible to be rounded up for the jab in hopes that side effect lawsuits ramp up before I can be detained...

Dark times are ahead for sure.

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The spending must continue, until it can't.