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2021-05-17 14:13 by Karl Denninger
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In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine. Polyclonal antibody responses in vaccinees were robust and comparable to or exceeded those seen after natural infection. However, the ratio of binding to neutralizing antibodies after vaccination was greater than that after natural infection and, at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity.

This is not good.  Now we know why the stabs target very high antibody titers -- several times that of natural infection, and the doses were not adjusted down.

I had wondered about that: It makes exactly no sense to target wildly-higher titers than natural infection with a vaccine, yet all of the shots do exactly that.  The question was why and now we have the answer: A large percentage of the antibodies produced are not neutralizing, so to get enough that are they cranked up the dose.

This is dangerous -- very dangerous -- because the non-neutralizing antibodies can enhance infection.  What we don't know, because we didn't take the time, is whether the decay is linear in both sorts or whether one decays first.  But again, this is data we did not have before we mass-stabbed people -- and unfortunately it explains why dosing was set where it was and that fact, and the potential bad side of all those non-neutralizing antibodies, which could lead to SEVERE ADE and kill you down the road was never discussed nor explained by any of the manufacturers.

Let's contemplate a possibility: The manufacturers know this and in fact knew it during Phase I and II testing; they characterized the antibodies produced and that is why they set the dose where they did; they knew that they had to wildly over-produce to get a high enough titer of the neutralizing antibodies or the shots would not work.

Now think about the game that might have been run:

1. You take the shot.

2. You get both protective (good) and non-protective (neutral) or possibly enhancing (very bad), antibodies.

3. The protective antibodies are enough to prevent you from getting seriously sick or dying.  We all cheer, and all appears to be well in the world.  The results look good -- for a while.

4. Over time the antibody titer wanes.  Now you don't have enough neutralizing antibodies but still have some of the bad ones which, if you get infected, make it materially more-likely the infection will kill you.

5. Then in comes the nice pharma dude who tells you to take this booster shot, which by the way isn't free and for which the price goes up every year, irrespective of the side effects which are real and remain (and might kill or seriously disable, and which risk you must accept every year forever into the future), or you're very likely to die because the virus is still out there and all you have are the bad antibodies that make an infection worse.  While those too will wane over time it may take years before you're back to where you started before the stab in terms of risk.

Is this plausible?  You bet.

They knew damn well that this proportion between neutralizing and non-neutralizing was present right up front.  That's why they set the dosing where they did; they had to in order to get a neutralizing titer that was high enough.  But that also means they knew it would decay and when it did the non-neutralizing antibodies would still be present to some degree.

Why did the companies not work on getting rid of the non-neutralizing titer?  They didn't have to.  The EUA didn't require it and further, if they got away with it long enough to get crap-ton of shots in arms there was nothing that could be done about it.

Take the shot once, buy in forever to whatever price they charge and if you don't, and get Covid-19, you die.

Obamacare was all about forcing you to buy health insurance.  The penalty for non-compliance with the medical monster and government's scheme was money, which Congress eventually got rid of.

But if this problem proves up to be true the penalty, once you buy in originally (and which is conveniently "free") should you try to refuse to continue later on, irrespective of the price the company charges, is death.

Of course this little problem would have been discovered in a full 5 or 10 year trial where you give someone one shot and then follow them.  Inevitably as it wore off a year or two down the road you'd see indications of trouble as some of those people would get the virus naturally and get ridiculously hammered.  But not if you go Warp Speed, as you simply don't wait long enough for the antibody titer to wane.  Oh, and then they lobby for full licensing on an expedited basis (instead of the usual 5 or 10 year cycle) too.  The reason for that is obvious, is it not?

Does this paper prove that?  Nope.  But could it be possible?  You bet.

And these are not quacks folks, or some group of Chinese that might be running a game on us.  This paper came out of Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.

If you took the stab or do now you're literally betting your life that they're wrong.

Now do remember that the pharma companies involved all have legal immunity, even if it is later proved they knew this to be the case before they applied for EUA status.

We also found a co-dominance of mAbs targeting the NTD and RBD of SARS-CoV-2 spike and an original antigenic-sin like backboost to seasonal human coronaviruses OC43 and HKU1.

That's really bad too.  

OC43 and HKU1 are betacoronaviruses that produce colds and flus in humans; they're considered mild annoyances these days.  But one of them, OC43, is believed to have been a serious pandemic flu in the 1890 timeframe.  We can't prove it but sequencing, simple time analysis and reports from that time of people dying in the same sort of way as Covid-19 killed people are in the literature.  Between those it is a reasonable hypothesis that OC43 was the cause of that, and it was real.

But that means that if there's a boost to the virulence of OC43 it has a proved capacity to kill -- and might again, being potentiated by getting the jabs.

Again: This is one paper, it's a pre-print and not proved.   But it is science and not crack-potted assumption.

Shouldn't we have done all of this science before we jabbed a hundred million+ Americans with something that they are now stuck with and, if it proves up to be what's suggested in this study, may well be worse, on balance, than accepting a Covid-19 infection and using cheap drugs to treat it?

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Obseedian 16k posts, incept 2007-07-26
2021-05-17 15:42:37

This paper is out of Mount Sinai New York, a prestigious teaching hospital with top researchers, not some Mickey Mouse outfit. This one is going to be tough to ignore, even if it's a preprint.

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. - Joseph Stalin
Kikknback 1k posts, incept 2020-03-17
2021-05-17 15:42:47

Karl Denninger wrote..
Now do remember that the pharma companies involved all have legal immunity, even if it is later proved they knew this to be the case before they applied for EUA status.

They do not have legal immunity from the Nuremberg Code, which they have violated, and that is what will fry them all in the end.
Janiem 11 posts, incept 2020-04-04
2021-05-17 15:42:55

Thank you Karl, very helpful. It is so silly to me that the Vazis say "Look at the millions of vaccinated and they are all doing fine and cases are going away"
Uh huh, there are NO long term studies on it yet. You are the study.
It's like watching someone jump off the roof of a skyscraper and pat themselves on the back for not hitting bottom yet as they pass the 50th floor.
Goldbrick 7k posts, incept 2008-01-23
2021-05-17 16:40:42

These Big Pharma execs are infinitely worse drug pushers than the typical urban hood rat. They deserve to die in a fire.

"The higher I go, the crookeder it gets." --Michael Corleone
Krzelune 17k posts, incept 2007-10-08
2021-05-17 18:11:34

So not only do we have to rent photoshop from adobe, now they want us all to rent our lives from the pharmaceutical companies.

Maudite 1k posts, incept 2009-01-21
2021-05-17 18:11:43

Premeditated Pathogenic Priming if this proves to be true. The only question is if this was accidental or deliberate. At this point what can those who already took the shot do to stave off ADE and death.

It's been a bad year the next one will probably be worse.
Is there not one thing in your life that is worth losing everything for?
Well if that don't beat the bugs 'afightn.
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-05-17 18:11:52

What is the time frame when the above mentioned research is either proven or disproved? This coming Fall/Winter? A couple of years from now? Any idea as to when people will begin dropping like flies? Is there any idea as to the percentage impacted by ADE? Is it 100 percent like the ferret and cat SARS COV 1 studies? Or a lesser percentage? Or does no one know? Unchartered territory?
Punch_rockgroin 4k posts, incept 2008-12-31
2021-05-17 18:12:05

Mount Sinai New York

Isn't that where the fuckstick from the Tucker interview who wanted mandatory vaccines for certain employees worked?

I want to see teeth flying as someone is beaten with a cast iron dildo hidden in a sock.
Jwm_in_sb 7k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-05-17 18:12:10

So wouldn't there be a cumulative effect of the neutral and bad antibodies every successive jab? They'll obfuscate the mrna vaccines if people start dying before they get a successive jab. Then there's the cumulative damage the manufactured spike proteins are creating in blood vessels. Jesus...this can't be willfull ignorance.
Mightymosin 191 posts, incept 2020-04-01
2021-05-17 18:12:15

So many people fear mongered into the hysteria, masks, distancing, and finally the jab. It's never been so clear to me, how stupid so many people are.

I trust my immune response and was naturally skeptical of anything developed so fast with no long term trials. Remember, it's the pioneers that get the arrows in the back. Or the arm in this case.

I hope the worst cases of this don't come true as I don't want to see that kind of death go on. On the other hand, many gullible would be wiped from the gene pool.

Were never going to learn how safe the vaccine is unless we start giving it, and thats just the way it goes.
Dr. Eric Rubin, Harvard University
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-05-17 18:12:54

@Susanlauren - We should know this coming winter.

They won't be able to hide it.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Jwm_in_sb 7k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-05-17 18:44:21

Are you sure Karl? They've managed to hide or dissemble so much over the past year that I just don't know anymore.
Ricker74 2 posts, incept 2021-04-01
2021-05-17 18:44:29

Is the frantic all out push to get people vaccinated partly driven to obscure these effects when they come around later this year? Eliminate the control group as someone else said?
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-05-17 19:01:14

Karl, thank you. Your answer is along the lines of what I have been thinking. I can't tell you how many people (i.e., friends, neighbors and acquainces) who have signed up for the death jab. I am the "crazy one" for questioning. I tell people I have allergies and the death jab would cause a life-threatening allergic reaction. (It would.) I had one woman so brainwashed that she responded, "That's too bad." Idiots all. I have tried to rescue some folks and it is a fool's errand. "We are so afraid that logic, reasoning, critical thinking and information cannot penetrate." This website is a sanctuary for me because I think I would go crazy otherwise. We are dealing with professional gaslighting and high level psychologic manipulation. I don't think they will be able to hide the numbers this fall and it will be a public health catastrophe. I am doing everything in my power to be prepared for teotwawki. It is coming. God help us.
Eleua 23k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2021-05-17 19:04:19

So not only do we have to rent photoshop from adobe, now they want us all to rent our lives from the pharmaceutical companies.

In the future, you will own nothing and like it.

Diversity + proximity = WAR

-The facts do not care about your narrative. The "GREAT NOTICING" continues apace.
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2021-05-17 19:35:40

Rent our lives from the pharmaceutical companies ... Yes, exactly. Count me out. Sons of a bitch ... You killed my country and I want my country back. We are all indigo montago from the princess bride. None of the this will end well. Bastards.
Obseedian 16k posts, incept 2007-07-26
2021-05-17 20:32:51

Maybe they already are trying to hide it, in the CDC's "Symptoms, signs and abnormal clinical findings" column of the mortality data that Karl has posted before.

Assuming no games are being played with PCR cycle thresholds to make Biden look good by lowering COVID numbers and shuffling those COVID-negative deaths here, there are a couple of possibilities: direct vaccine-induced deaths, or indirect vaccine deaths due to ADE with OC43.

By the way, I found out what is included in that "other" category. It's basically all ICD-10 codes from R00 to R99. You're going to shit yourself:

- Coma
- Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome
- Acute Stroke
- Nervous system issues
- Various cardiac issues
- Fever of other and unknown origin
- Circulatory system issues

Gee, I wonder what could cause an excess of that? Seems like a convenient place to hide vaccine injury, although technically they should be coding them as T50. Unless of course, you don't want to do that for political reasons.

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. - Joseph Stalin
Asimov 150k posts, incept 2007-08-26
2021-05-17 20:33:21

Eleua: How are you coming along? Feeling any better?

It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Jwm_in_sb 7k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-05-17 20:33:28


I understand your frustration. I've become thoroughly convinced that CW2 won't be about the 2A or antifa / blm riots, but rather the Flashpoint will be related to mandatory vaccinations.
Jwm_in_sb 7k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2021-05-17 20:33:33

My wife the pharmacist took the jab a couple of months ago. No immediate effects but she is very healthy and fit. What do I need to watch for?
Winesorbet 1k posts, incept 2010-08-23
2021-05-17 20:33:38

Actually Karl, I quite enjoy when you are right smiley

If there was only some alternative to vaccines that was safe and effective and cheap. Oh wait there is...fuckers
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-05-17 20:33:58

@Obseedian - Why do you think I picked on that column? smiley

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Obseedian 16k posts, incept 2007-07-26
2021-05-17 20:52:25

We need the detailed data set broken down by the actual codes but they don't offer them like the weekly data. But I can already guess which codes are contributing to the increase. Maybe have to use the API or something.

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. - Joseph Stalin
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-05-17 20:53:02

Yeah, if I gave enough of a shit I'd put some time into writing some code to yank it. I'm not sure I've got the motivation to do that.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
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