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Quik49
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I find it interesting that mister warp speed hasnt got vaccinated.

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Jules
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I find it interesting that mister warp speed hasnt got vaccinated.


Which leads to the next series of question:
Who knew? When did they know? And, what's in it for them?


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Olddad
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So if I understand this and to put it in simple terms, the vaccine creates antibodies that are unique to the vaccine (not the virus). Then a bioweapon is created that looks for the vaccine antibodies and kills anyone with those antibodies. Is that a simple man's way of putting it? Thanks!
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If something like this happens being among the not-hit won't do you a damn bit of good. Yeah, the virus won't get you.

The infrastructure collapse that results, on the other hand, will.

There is NO personal protective action you can take to evade this sort of thing. None.

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@Olddad - Yep.

And as that virus mutates it drifts away from that precise tagging which is why it's viable as a strategy.

For decades bioweapons researchers have investigated the possibility of vaccinating the population (perhaps covertly with something added to the annual flu shot, for example) and then releasing something that OUR population is vaccinated against but nobody else is.

That SOUNDS good but it fails and ends up killing all your people too because over time your "engineered" virus is VERY likely to mutate, and when it does it will evade the vaccine and now you're ****ed.

The entire reason this sort of strategy would work in THIS case and NOT run into that problem is that the mutations make the virus HARMLESS instead.

You always have to remember when thinking about such things that once you let it loose you lose control over it and cannot get it back. Therefore it is utterly essential that whatever you do does not target your people by accident and if there is any material risk of that happening you're INSANE to develop and deploy it in the first place because Mother Nature is a BITCH and if you're wrong you just killed YOUR population as well.

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China, Russia, and the West all have their own versions of the vaccine. The question is how fine they can get the targeting on the weaponized virus and when it gets released into the wild. As if I needed another thing to keep me awake at night.
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Gen, thanks. That being said, how does the article you linked connect to your piece here? I hate to ask stupid questions but I'm not following how to the two are connected, though I seem to understand both in their own right.
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@Olddad - I had assumed but did not have proof that the mRNA shots produced antibodies that were easily distinguished from those produced by natural infection.

What makes it worse is that over the last few months the "**** you" Covid-19 events (e.g. thrombotic problems, etc.) appear to be (not yet proved) linked to at least some part of the spike protein on the virus. I'm reading everything I find on that as I do because it's intriguing both from a medical science point of view and also both due to this potential and also for how you *MIGHT* be able to stop a bioweapon that keys on it.

Israel may have that answer incidentally and it's not vaccine-based but rather stops the dysregulation and thus turns infection into "who cares?" That MIGHT work against a weaponized version as well but until we know more about that it's damn stupid to bet your future on that working.

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Olddad
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I assume the connection is based on this quote from the article, "Williams also had been vaccinated for COVID about a month ago and that testing found the two types of antibodies in his system - one type of antibody that results from a natural COVID infection, and a second type of antibody from the vaccine. Threlkeld also said Williams tested negative for COVID-19 while in the hospital."

OR, more specifically this, ". . . and a second type of antibody from the vaccine."
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Ref: "I had assumed but did not have proof that the mRNA shots produced antibodies that were easily distinguished from those produced by natural infection." Got it, thanks again.
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@Olddad - Exactly.

It is that SECOND type of antibody that's the problem. Actual vaccines do not do that; they produce the SAME antibody as does natural infection and thus do not raise this issue.

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The people who have died to date, mostly the elderly and infirmed, as a result of the "vaccine" were unintended kills. Unfortunate losses resulting from the multiple toxic assaults loaded into the shots. The big prize is the mass death that will inevitably follow six months to a year down the road. Through pathogenic priming an otherwise innocuous but related wild virus or a subsequent shot (Government creeps are already talking about yearly COVID shots.) will be sufficient to push a lot of previously vaccinated people over the edge.
Of course, the die off will be sufficiently removed in time from the initial vaccinations to give room to deniability. Its not the vaccine, Fauci and his clowns will claim. Its some new variant . All the more reason for more vaccinations, they'll say.
Will Americans figure out the scam in time ? Before theyre all dead ?
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Tickerguy wrote..
If something like this happens being among the not-hit won't do you a damn bit of good. Yeah, the virus won't get you.

The infrastructure collapse that results, on the other hand, will.

There is NO personal protective action you can take to evade this sort of thing. None.

perhaps having a totally off-grid redoubt might do the trick or having the ability to live completely at sea.

One must go into the trees and have very effective means of deterring and detecting the few hardy souls who have the ability to approach.

Have no doubt that whatever remains of the hands of the once power structure such as former cops, Nat Guard and govt agents will form their own gangs and target survivors under color of authority and with the advance knowledge of their former positions. As for violent criminal gangs, i expect them to be summarily executed by the people.

Once something like this happens, there is no law and people know it. It will be kill prophylactically.

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smiley Gonna be a wild ride.
smiley Nuclear war is survivable.

Ameri-morons will finally learn when that one last stupid mistake unleashes consequences of compounding the previous mistakes into an epic, salient lesson. http://www.amerika.org/politics/arete-th....
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Well, the good news is we have historical president for mass die offs and what it means for the survivors.

AKA Black Death

The surviver's value and wages increase as they're desperately needed to plug holes in needed supply chains... every. ****ing. place.

So no, *Absolutely not* is the answer non vaxers will be targeted in a mass die off.

Although as Karl says. Systems will be broken *everywhere*.

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At this point, there is a lot that is unknown. But as the victim had already been vaccinated with COVID naturally, from a past infection, and then given the experimental MRNA vaccine, it is possible that the unnatural mRNA method may have jacked up an already primed immune system, casuing the hyper inflammatory syndrome.

The SinoPharm vaccine uses inactived virus, exposing the recipient to the entire viral antigen load, in a more natural way than an mRNA vaccine. Another danger of the mRNA vaccine is that the breadth of antigen load is too limited, just the spike protein. By mutating the spike protein, the virus can escape the immune system. The odds are less if the immune system were primed to the entire virus. The virus would have to mutate a lot more than just the spike protein.

There are parallels to targeting cancer. Cancer can evade a targeted therapy by losing expression of the target. The odds of losing the expression of multiple targets is rarer, and so therapies are being developed that target multiple targets simultaneously. In this case, the therapeutic is an antibody or antigen specific T cell, that is infused into the patient. In the case of the virus, the patient makes the antibodies and T cells, and if the target source, i.e. vaccine, is too limited, the virus escapes, just like the cancer cells.
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These companies and our own DOD have very smart scientists. Probably they are not allowed to talk. They know the dangers and it's possible creating a "real" pandemic is the goal. The psychopath Bill Gates said the next one will get our attention like he already knows it is planned. Given the relatively low fatality rate of covid-19 rushing this vaccine makes no sense. Unless the whole reason for skipping testing is that they know the vaccine would fail. Given all the billions being flushed they could easily being doing animal studies. How long does it take to jab some cats with the vaccine?
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Every time I go to search for feline coronavirus it's tainted by all the normal CV19 garbage.

Ugh. All sorts of fact checking and click bait sites... Even pubmed is dominated by the CV19 garbage.
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This answers my earlier question regarding a preference for the adenovirus tech of J&J's jab over the hyper tech of mRNA.

Lots of lines of speculation into the managed not so great reset, who knows what and why, and the discarding of populations for the next version of wealth in the 4th industrial revolution.
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Best articles I've come up to so far...

https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en....

Referencing:



Addie D, Belk S, Boucraut-Baralon C, et al. Feline infectious peritonitis. ABCD guidelines on prevention and management. Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery. 2009 Jul;11(7):594-604. DOI: 10.1016/j.jfms.2009.05.008.

Takano T, Kawakami C, Yamada S, Satoh R, Hohdatsu T. Antibody-dependent enhancement occurs upon re-infection with the identical serotype virus in feline infectious peritonitis virus infection. The Journal of Veterinary Medical Science. 2008 Dec;70(12):1315-1321. DOI: 10.1292/jvms.70.1315.

Vennema H, de Groot RJ, Harbour DA, et al. Early death after feline infectious peritonitis virus challenge due to recombinant vaccinia virus immunization. Journal of Virology. 1990 Mar;64(3):1407-1409.

Olsen CW. A review of feline infectious peritonitis virus: molecular biology, immunopathogenesis, clinical aspects, and vaccination. Veterinary Microbiology. 1993 Jul;36(1-2):1-37. DOI: 10.1016/0378-1135(93)90126-R.


I have not read any of these yet.

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@tickerguy Is it false to state the vaccine will not work at all because it produces a different antibody?
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No it likely does work but as the virus mutates it has a narrower evasion requirement to get around it.

The reason they did this is that traditional inactivated vaccines against coronaviruses have repeatedly failed in trials.

Coronaviruses are odd little ****ers.

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I've noticed over the past few days national news outlets pushing headlines that the virus was most certainly NOT an accidental lab release but did in fact leap form bats to humans.

I was curious why the origin was suddenly of interest when it hadn't really been for a year.

Smokescreen?
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Because it certainly was release from a lab.

Whatever they are pounding you with is a lie. 180 degrees off, more or less, lies the truth.

As for me, this basement-crafted Blood Orange Manhattan is as a better vaccine than the **** they put into your arm.

I think I'll have another.
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Ckaminski....I no longer use google as a search engine. I use duckduckgo. I also use Dissenter as my browser. I found several articles about feline covid.



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and sheeple are crazy!
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Scottj175 wrote..
I've noticed over the past few days national news outlets pushing headlines that the virus was most certainly NOT an accidental lab release but did in fact leap form bats to humans.

I was curious why the origin was suddenly of interest when it hadn't really been for a year.

Smokescreen?


Bret Weinstein has been talking about this on his podcast. He thinks it's way too early to declare that it is not an accidental lab release.

He tweeted a few days ago: "For those not convinced the matter is settled, this analysis is worth a look." and linked to this paper that pokes holes in COVID being of natural zoonotic origin.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2102/....

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While a natural origin is still possible and the search for a potential host in nature should continue, the amount of peculiar genetic features identified in SARS-CoV-2s genome does not rule out a possible gain-of-function origin, which should be therefore discussed in an open scientific debate.
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