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Wifi
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This whole Covid bull****, is becoming a massive scam
LA county public health director, is not a medical doctor, her Ph.D in in"Social Welfare"...WTF..This SJW, has LA county locked down indefinitely!



Heh, she has a master's in public health, NOT a doctor, NOT a scientist, she is a SJW
https://bphc.org/aboutus/office-director....

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Ebt
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Why would China be willing to let Covid19 loose?

Due to the one child policy launched 30 years ago, today your average 30 year old Chinese has 1/8 of our wealth, 0 brothers and sisters, and is now responsible for (2) 60+ year old parents. Not a good situation to be in + not at all good for China's future growth and strength.

I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned that.
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" .... our corporations that have production lines in China aided and abetted the Communist Chinese government,...."

If you are saying that the ones to blame are "our corporations" instead of the CCG then I think you got it right.
Its all about the money.
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Ihsmta wrote..
The Chinese do so many things better than the USA; corruption, graft, arrogance, lawless banking, debt issuance, money printing, and malinvestment of capital . . .
The truth of that statement is very much in question, IMO.
Ee4fire wrote..
The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) has no ethics. They believe in the power of the state and not of the people. . . The business leaders who play the game with the CCP are themselves being enriched by the CCP. However, the CCP is also stealing from them but they don't care because they themselves are being enriched.
Replace CCP with Democrat Party or Republican Party and everything quoted is still absolutely true.

IMO, the issue is not simply China and/or the CCP. The real problem is the synergy that exists with China/CCP and the governing system of the US and most other "advanced" nations. (This "governing system" should be seen as the intertwining of politics, business, and money/finance.)

Without the active co-operation and support of other nations, China would barely be simply a regional power. While in some sense, a large population is a source of national strength, China is well beyond the point that it has become a detriment. Without the external economic support it receives, it would have its hands full simply feeding (and thus being able to control) its population. It is economic surplus that allows any nation to successfully extend its economic, political, and/or military reach outside its borders.

It is WE who have enabled China to have such a surplus and thus a wide international reach - a perfect illustration of the paraphrased aphorism spuriously attributed to Lenin: WE have provided (and continue to provide) the rope with which they intend to hang us.

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In the same way the German and Japanese fascists had to be put down for the good of the world, so do the Chinese fascists.


@Augeries, I don't disagree. But maybe we should start in our own backyard first. Corporate control of the US government and politicians is what put us in this position to begin with. We can war all we want on China. But if we don't fix what's broken here, it will just happen again.
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On the issue of China accidentally releasing the Wuhan Corona Virus, Secretary of State Pompeo has confirmed there are intelligence reports that say this is the case. Just like any intelligence reports, an assessment of reliability and credibility must be made, and the DNI has publicly poured cold water on the reporting. Another talking point related to China's CV19 response that is scandalous and provable, is that China actively tried to contain information and facts on the ground regarding CV19, with one goal being to acquire adequate PPE stockpiles. I anticipate there will be additional formal releases of intelligence as well as "leaks", when the administration decides to take action on the issue. I've said before on the forum that in my opinion that severe tariffs or other economic sanctions against China would not be excessive. I think they would have more of a punch if we got the EU to go along, or at least all of the FIVE EYE allies (they joined with us against the threat from Huawei).

An increasingly frequent headline and OPED topic in the last month is that the long predicted cold war between the US and China has arrived (Google: China-US cold war). This is something predicted for decades in books, essays, and analytic reports. The victory of the economic globalists in shaping economic policy undercut the US and helped create the Chinese juggernaut.

The newer MMT proponents are preaching a systemic fraud that can only work if all the major players agree to participate. In large part, running massive deficits and building up huge sovereign debt becomes the sovereign version of the "too big to fail." We know there is no such thing, but the fear or threat of it has an impact on the global system. As Karl often says, you can print more money but you can't print (insert valuable product). Producers of hard assets get squeezed, standards of living get crushed, increased productivity is stolen, and purchasing power is wrecked.

Meanwhile, China continues the rapid expansion of its nuclear arsenal. Last year the DIA Director said he expected China's nuclear arsenal to at least double over the next 10 years. The key weasel words there are "at least." China likely calculates that with their increasing conventional capabilities, that there is a growing risk the US would escalate to nuclear use in a future shooting war. In our own country in recent years, we've been taking steps to modernize our nuclear force, modernize weapon systems, and to build the first new nuclear warheads in decades. Many in government are pleased the current president not only full funded, but over-funded these modernization programs during recent fiscal years.

I think the bigger risk to both US and China is economic collapse, and potentially civil war. I enjoy Karl's projections on this subject, especially related to the parabolic increases in health care costs. Our strategic rivals (also including Russia) will continue to take the opportunity harm our economy and foster divisiveness by promoting bad policies and spreading inflammatory rhetoric. Choose your metaphor, but they will continue stepping on systemic fractures, tipping over dominoes, or lighting the fuse using state funded and controlled information operations, often outsourcing to (enlisting) firms in our own country to do the damage.

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@ Pete Chinese have ~600 ICBMs too. Then Russia about 2500 ICBMs will not take too kindly to seeing radars light up over the poles. It would be totally on. Amageddon. In nuclear doctrine you use them or lose them no time wait and see or such thing as a limited nuclear war..
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Jeepguy: Best bet would be to upload it to youtube, then post it here.

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Colorado is changing its tune.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/....

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Found this, origins of the lockdown strategy, brought to you by the Bush Administration in 2006, guess he devised this crap after not finding the WMDs. It was developed by an oncologist, ER Doc and a key component was a high school science project put together by a 14 year old. The strategy was panned by pandemic experts at the time including one who led the effort to eradicate small pox.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-2006-or....

Another reason to hate that moron. Presidents, the gift that keeps on giving.

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"The real problem is the synergy that exists with China/CCP and the governing system of the US and most other "advanced" nations."

The real problem is that Western politicians are cheap, and eager to sell out their countries for a pittance. In no small part because so many of them consider themselves 'citizens of the world' and couldn't care less what happens to the country they grew up in.

It's much cheaper to destroy a Western country by buying up its politicians than by fighting a war. Australia, for example, is now a sitting duck for Chinese occupation once the US is unable or unwilling to protect it any longer; lots of lovely resources, a minimal ability to fight off invasion, and a large Chinese population already there.

Oh, and Canada too, though I suspect the US will be more eager to try to prevent a Chinese colony right on their border.
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@Smanning:

What's your point? That innocent Americans would die in a nuclear war with China? That's on the head of the Chinese.

The Israeli nuclear deterrent is designed to ensure that the next attempt at a Holocaust is the last.

If the heathens will not accept the right of the Jews to exist, the Jews are prepared to see that the heathens will die with them---by wiping Moscow and St. Petersburg off the map, and letting the Soviet arsenal finish the job of destroying the heathen world, starting with its (even today breathtakingly anti-Semitic) ruling class.

If the Chinese do not accept the right of the blue-eyed devils to live in freedom, then the Chinese should be prepared to die with us. Simple as that.

We, the people's of North America and Europe, built industrial civilization, and everything on earth worth preserving. If we are not to be permitted to enjoy the fruits if our labour, far better that they be destroyed with us than that it fall into the enemy's hands.

Oh, and by the way---most of the Chinese ICBM's are aimed at Russia. Only a few have sufficient range to hit a few Mexifornian cities that needed demolishing anyway. If you're in Las Vegas, you might get to see Hollywood blown to kingdom come if you have good enough binoculars. Nothing of value will be lost.

Me? I live near the centre of the shambles that passes for the capital of the Chinese puppet state I'm ashamed to inhabit. I'll be one of the first to go in a global nuclear war. I have no wife and no children. I have no future in a world ruled by the Chinese. Bring it on.
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@Peterm99

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Without the active co-operation and support of other nations, China would barely be simply a regional power.


Starting with G.H.W. Bush we started giving the CCP that power. It accelerated under Clinton and his approval to allow China into the WTO. That giant sucking sound was our jobs and industries be shipped to China and even out of Mexico. Clinton allowed the sale of our missile technology through Loral Systems and his buddy Bernie Schwartz. I am sure the Clintons made a few million off of that deal, which was essentially treason. GW Bush kept it going and Obama was kissing Xi ass.

Trump is the first president that has actually said publicly said we need to stop this ****. He has started the change, but he has too many CCP operative in Congress. Which is why he is vilified. I hope his does more, but not holding my breath. Nancy Antoinette Pelosi, Chucky Schammer, Mitch "The Turtle" McConnell, Mittens Romney and many more who are all on the CCP payroll.

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I think people here are missing my point. The fact that the intelligence is out there, means it is likely serving as justification for action whatever that might. It's accuracy is irrelevant. Two, yes pulling back manufacturing from China would hurt them and is the logical solution or choice. Do you honestly believe that the ccp will just allow its own demise? Seriously.? That's not historically supported. They will react i. Some form or fashion.
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1. Freeze all treasuries held by the PRC & PRC's Belgium (and other) proxies.

2. All interest due on the treasuries get paid into a CFTW fund (China f#cked the world fund) used to stabilize the US/ROW economies.

3. Withdraw from the WHO & UN immediately and permanently.

4. Order the UN out of the United States. The building will transfer to the CFTW.org

5. Withdraw from the WTO immediately and permanently. No MFN status for China in other trade deals. Hong Kong no longer has special trade status.

6. Establish an official American embassy in Taiwan. A new $240 million embassy building was just built, so easy to do. (This one is tricky as the USA may have to defend Taiwan if China tries anything). American FAA agrees/allows China Airlines (Taiwan) to Change its name to Taiwan Airlines.

7. Cancel all China immigration visas if family is CCP.

8. Cancel all China student visas if family is CCP.

9. Order that all American companies that still do business in China will have a special import tax. Additionally, any other country that still does business with China can not trade with the USA. (Thailand - rice/Germany - cars/high tech/etc.)

10. Allow Australians, Japanese & Indians to have better/longer visas and student access to the USA.

11. All USA assets of PRC CCP members seized and the money goes into the CFTW fund.

12. Any joint space/life science/P3-P4 labs/other cooperation voided.

13. When the CCP is out of power and a new rule of law government takes over, all above declarations can be open to discussion. Step one would be to create an organization to monitor viruses from China more closely (because its a sh#thole and bound to happen again)
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That's a start off the top of my head (main purpose is to destroy the CCP) ~ Maybe have another type of banking agreement for global use of USD as currency ~ (more dollars printed, but inflation is checked by more countries using USD?). What to do about the need for primary dealers (NYFED/JPM) to buy treasuries/avoid nirp i don't have any ideas about besides forcing bankrupted banks to fail. TBOAIFMEETA too big of an issue for me to even think about)

Interesting read (also, note that the 56/58 Asian flu morphed into the HK flu 10 years later, if you didn't know already): https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/why-life-w....
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The EU should have followed Trump and closing off China.


@Mannfm11 Fully agree. But the EU "leaders" are kowtowing to China and WHO and saying something critical about Tedros whatshisname or China would be considered extremely racist. Bashing Trump is extremely popular here. This resolution by 60 countries including those of the EU is a big charade from the part of the EU imhop.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/39....

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The CCP has the ability to exploit a wide range of vulnerabilities right now. Regardless of economic sanctions. When they get desperate enough, they will do something. Release another virus, on accident of course, or maybe a Cyber attack on critical infrastructure., or maybe they just try to take over Vancouver? There are lots of things they can do if they get desperate enough.
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Depression2020 wrote..
Another talking point related to China's CV19 response that is scandalous and provable, is that China actively tried to contain information and facts on the ground regarding CV19, with one goal being to acquire adequate PPE stockpiles.


Maybe not quite what you are saying but this made me think of a customer who came in to my Janitor supply store a few days ago. He had been in a few months ago (when the virus was only reported in China), asking for dust masks. I told him that a girl who appeared to be Chinese had come in a few days earlier and bought all I had. I thought it was funny at the time because I didn't realize how much they were going to be in demand.

He told me that after he had been in my store, he went to several paint stores and Home Depot looking for masks because he needed them for his job. Many of them had the same story as I did. A Chinese person had recently come in and cleaned them out, in some cases buying pallets full of product.
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addendum:

14. Chinese firms listed on NYSE/MSCI must fully compile to USA financial auditing rules.

15. No USA pensions funds allowed to invest in China.

16. Smithfield farms temporarily nationalized. Tyson not allowed to ship products to China. No Chinese food exports allowed into USA.

17. Port of Long Beach temporarily nationalize. Chinese ownership on freeze.

18. Any Chinese ships that transit the Panama Canal will have 1000% import tax until Panama does away with Chinese ownership of both ends of canal.
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He told me that after he had been in my store, he went to several paint stores and Home Depot looking for masks because he needed them for his job. Many of them had the same story as I did. A Chinese person had recently come in and cleaned them out, in some cases buying pallets full of product.


I don't think there's anything nefarious going on there. I work with several Chinese Nationals (we hire them when the graduate from Duke). Most openly denounce the CCP but who really knows? Anyway, back in January they were actively looking for masks to send back to their families and loved ones in China. We may hate the CCP but people are people and want to look after their own and you can't fault them for that.
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Many things don't add up to me. We blame China, China blames us, nobody pays a price at the top. The people of every country are taking a blow to liberty and prosperity. It doesn't look like a pandemic to me. It looks like a terrorist attack and the terrorists are government officials and billionaires.

I don't quite get why Trump is bringing the military in on this. Certainly the military is not needed at all to distribute vaccines.
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Purplefang wrote..
Certainly the military is not needed at all to distribute vaccines.
They certainly are if the intention is to force it on everyone at the point of a gun.

Would they succeed? I highly doubt it, but based on recent history, I believe that the folks infesting our gov't are stupid enough to give it a try. I expect there would be a lot of bloodshed, on both sides.

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Certainly the military is not needed at all to distribute vaccines.
But he claims that the vaccine won't be mandatory.

Forward to 26:22 ...


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There is no doubt in my mind they plan to make it virtually mandatory. Yes, you don't have to take it, but it will be required for air travel, cruises, sporting events, school, college, and what ever more they can think of. And there is no way it will be a one time vaccine, there will have to be vaccine updates all the time.
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@Goforbroke:

I can't even begin to count all the things that Trump (and everyone else in gov't) has/have claimed that have turned out to be outright lies.

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