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Tienkou
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Wanna really******off the CCP, talk to Taiwan and see if they want us to recognize them as the One True China.

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Chromehill
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@Purplefang, I believe that was a subject in a Brad Thor book. Some good releases a super deadly virus on the world with the goal to depopulate the earth, particularly of the undesirables. They put the cure to the virus in the annual flu vaccine.

Would not surprise me if like that eventually happens.

Good luck getting to the truths regarding WuFlu, a whole lot of political squawking right now so everyone looks good, meanwhile behind the scenes China is telling everyone to not push it too much else they spill the beans on all the foreign research poured into the Wuhan Lab that could not be legally done in the USA or Europe ...paging Dr Fauci.

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How do you eliminate a threat? Make it irrelevant. Here's the thing...war should be the last resort and we are not at this point. We can impact China more by bringing back our production in China to the US. Likewise we should stop buying chinese made goods. The economic impact alone will hit China where they live. Likewise, if you really want to screw with China we should arm Japan and Taiwan with Nukes. Finally, we MUST dominate the high ground...aka Space. We do these three things and China is toast.
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The Chinese do so many things better than the USA; corruption, graft, arrogance, lawless banking, debt issuance, money printing, and malinvestment of capital - to name a few.

I stand by my prediction that one day we will wake up to the breaking news that China is imploding. It will either be a political or economic crisis, maybe even all out civil war.

I hope they hold off so that it is not a distraction from our own problems.

As long as we were humming along with the facade of a roaring economy with much money to be made, we capitalists turned a blind eye to the CCP shenanigans.

Analogy warning! Slowly and reluctantly the world is waking up with a severe hangover, rolling over, and squinting one open bloodshot eye to take a good look at the extremely awful person we spent a night of drunken passion with.

"Good Lord! What have I done? I hope nobody finds out..."

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Aaugusti
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Here is a peer reviewed paper that says the idea that the virus went bat>pangolin> human is bull****. Its time for the world to collectively ramrod the CCP and all who support them.

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/....
Ebt
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It's a designer virus. Takes out the old and sick, and mostly leaves the young and healthy alone.
Whitehat
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Contra-2 -- yep, and would add that Detroit as beautiful as it once was should have been abandoned. The population was too screwed up and beholden to the politicos, hence the GM bailout.

The kind of fix that we propose can only occur where there is some semblance of American values, not a giant welfare and union corruption zit on the face of the earth.

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As part of my work I get regular updates from the CSC like this one:

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2020/Sterno....

The vast majority of these recalls are products from China. It shows me two things we import way too much stuff from China and they make cheap crap. Every thing from electrical appliances that can shock or catch fire to children's toys with lead paint.

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) has no ethics. They believe in the power of the state and not of the people. The leaders of the CCP are enriching themselves with the money of the countries they send their cheap crap exports. The business leaders who play the game with the CCP are themselves being enriched by the CCP. However, the CCP is also stealing from them but they don't care because they themselves are being enriched. The rest of us can fend for ourselves and be happy with the cheap crap they provide to us from China.

The majority of politicians in this country who are supposed to work for US, are being enriched by the CCP. The money is too good to turn down. So if US citizens are out of work we can just pay the current citizens by borrowing money against future generations of US citizens. They don't answer to the future generations. Many of the current generations have stopped understanding the principles of the founding of the US. As long as the gravy train of borrowed money gets in their pocket who cares. Just look at the $3 Trillion of funny money spending the house just passed. Most of it has nothing to due with WuFlu issues. Giving money to illegal aliens and the rest of the crap they are funding is financial suicide, but they don't care. The CCP and the business supporting the CCP have bought them with the taxpayer's money being laundered back to them from these ludicrous trade deals that have been made.

There is no way we can will a military war with China. For one too much of our US military's equipment relies on parts from China. Two where are we going to get the money to fight a war, we don't have it. We do not have the population to support a war. The only possible war with China we have a chance of winning is a nuclear war and there are no winners in that kind of war.

The only war we can win is the economic war. That would mean, as Karl and others have discussed, is pulling back our manufacturing and intellectual property to the US and give China the high hard one. They need out trade imbalance to survive. They pay most of their people crap wages and force them to work long hours. When the gravy train of stealing from US stops and their people are out of work, then the CCP will have their economy collapse and hopefully the Chinese people will have had enough. The US and its citizens must have the intestinal fortitude to pay more for better stuff than accepting cheap crap. Can we do it? We are going to find out or be subjects of the oligarchy.

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Pete_brewster
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That's what the atomic bomb is for, Karl.

The United States has the bomb so it can inform tribes of monsters who have contributed nothing to humanity but plague on notice that they can start behaving like civilized human beings or be annihilated, no boxcars necessary.

The Chinese can cut this crap out, now, or they can get bombed back into the Era of the Warring States, and their population reduced accordingly. It's 1.4 billion today. It should be 70 million, tops---the most they can support with subsistence farming.

Getting good manufacturing jobs brought back to north America because we've literally destroyed Tim Cook's pool of cheap labour will be gravy.

So will the revenue earned from selling the warlords fighting over the remains of the Middle Kingdom Afghan- or African-style. Far better the Chinese devote their energies to killing each other than trying to enslave us.

This is why Donald Trump has, by several accounts, repeatedly asked his generals why the atomic arsenal of the United States can never be used. They have, by all accounts, never given him a convincing answer.

Nobody can bring himself to say, "If we blow China to kingdom come corporate America will have to pay Americans a living wage, and none of America's creditors want that."
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@Jwm_in_sb

Tickrrguy is right that developing viruses that kill your enemy and not you is simply not a realistic goal.

That won't stop the Chinese from trying. Their ideology is this:

China is the center of the universe.

The Han are a race of supermen fated to rule the world, and the only truly civilized breed of humanity.

Their Emperor is God incarnate.

Non-Chinese are nothing but animals to be used as beasts of burden or vermin to be exterminated. They do not consider us human at all.

Anybody who thinks, wrongly, that white people are racists has never had much to do with Chinese, whose bigotry would have been breath-taking even by Nazi German standards.

(Oh, yes, by the way---they really, REALLY hate Jews. Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of western politics are very popular in China. No prizes for guessing why deep-cover PLA officers "studying" in America are prone to seducing upwardly-mobile Jewish boys.)
Mannfm11
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Here is the CDC page on past flu pandemics. This is probably no worse, when adjusted for population than the Asian flu in 58 and 68.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resourc....

War probably isn't an answer. A country that would let this crap spread around the world while taking protective action within, probably wouldn't mind dropping a few nukes. Moving the supply lines out of China would likely topple the Communist Party.

The recent business of China isn't iPhones, it is expansion. iPhones and other crap sold us funds the expansion, but expansion is the economy. 50% or more of China's economy is building more capacity. Take away utilization and expansion becomes a garbage dump.

There are a lot of stories about why the dollar is used in trade, but the most important one is the pool of assets that are issued in dollars. Not only are there international loans, but there are American mortgages and bonds. China has made an effort to tie some commodity producers into their currency, but they have little in the sense of a pool of Chinese paper assets of any valid consequence. You going to buy the junk paper in China? The stocks with fraud financial statements? China has to have dollars and from what I understand, they are starved of them.

Absent an expanding demand for their goods, China goes into an economic dust pile. China has spent massive amounts of money expanding their influence in commodity producing areas of the world. This is especially true of Africa. They bought Ethiopia, which is why they got the silence of Tedros of the WHO. A country that loses its capacity to purchase goods loses its influence.

The contrary to this is that moving expansion out of China likely bankrupts a lot of commodity producers. The expansion has to go somewhere. It was mentioned that Apple is going to move production to India. Trump has favored India and is looked at as a hero there. A supply chain from India is more complex than one from China, due to shipping and location. There is probably no place more remote by boat from the USA than India.

They are running a PR campaign against Trump. Without coming right out and saying it, the Trump trade team is as anti-Chinese trade as we are going to see in the USA. The Democrat Party and some of the Republican Party might as well be a branch of the Chinese Communist Party. I think it was Pompeo, who did a speech in front of Governors, where he said to the Governors that many of them had been acting like lapdogs to the Chinese Communists. Pay attention to which Governors are trying to destroy their economies.

If Trump loses, the trade team will go into the dustbin of history. American politics is laced with Chinese bribes. One only look at Feinstein to realize we have Chinese spies in Congress. The fight against Trump is largely a fight for wars and the status quo of declining US industrial output. You could look at the White House press corps as a group of Chinese lobbyists. Trump nailed one the other day, then walked off when another ***** came forward.

The political class has gotten rich on starting wars and selling American demand to the rest of the world. We will see the race card played again, as we are now dealing with Chinese. Wasn't that the game the Chinese reporter tried to play on Trump this week? This is going to be the big issue in this election and the Democrats have no leg to stand on. Just like Americanized Mexicans might have some sympathy with immigrants, they are not interested in paying the price of open borders. Many American Chinese are glad they were not in China, aren't in China and don't have any interest in identifying with China.

Regardless of what happens, it is plain for anyone to see we need our supply lines out of China. The idea that medical supplies are now anchored in China, shows how far up their asses our national politicians have had their heads. Tedros threatened the US with another germ. He should be dead by now and the US Ambassador to the UN should have declared the WHO a Chinese pawn and forced its total shut down and the firing of all involved. An organization like this should have maybe 100 people, plus clerical and they should be limited in tenure and be verified experts, not bureaucrats. 4 to 6 years is plenty and it should never be headed by a banana boat bureaucrat, as it is now.

The same is true of American health institutions. We have criminals buried in the various medical institutions in the USA. How many of them are on the Chinese payroll? These are the people that should have been sounding the alarm that China was capturing the US supply lines for medicine and should have never stopped pushing the message. They should also be looking for large cost cutting in the cost of US medical care instead of lobbying for the most expensive and not necessarily the most effective treatments. All the bitching involved goods we had to get out of China.

Export economies are like sharks. They stop growing or swimming, they die. WE don't necessarily need to move production out of China, just stop the growth. Anyone wonder what happened in Japan? The revaluation of the yen stopped the growth of manufacturing exports from Japan and the growth left the country. They had to absorb the reduction of capital spending. The same event happened to the USA in the 1930 era. Massive export booms are not good for economies. Only so much of an economy can be devoted to non domestic growth, because it can't go on forever. The trade partners run out of money.

The US policy should move to moving strategic production home. Trump mentioned the supply chains for defense equipment with Maria the other day. I'm sure some of it has to do with NATO, a political arm, in its own right. But, any thing made it a potential enemy territory has to be brought home. We are funding it, we need to produce it. Mexico and Central America are a better location for much of what we need, if we can't make it here. In the meantime, the organized crime networks involved with these countries need to be crushed.

We have had 4 years of attacks on Russia, by pawns of the Chinese. Russia, save for bombing us with a nuke, isn't a problem for the US. China has had a stated goal of dominating the world during the 21st century. Globalism and enemies are not congruent with each other. Strangely, much of the politics in the US has leaned toward a surrender to China. We don't want war with China, but we don't want their political system either. There are political forces in the US, including much of the press, which is lobbying for the elimination of the bill of rights. They won't say it openly, but just look at their actions. We have social media companies that are censoring truth, in favor of lying narratives. They should be declared enemy companies, if they continue their methods. The actions of Facebook, Google, and Twitter are basically official censoring and repugnant to the bill of rights. Private or not, they are public expressions of opinion. They are running criminal coverups of the left and pushing narratives against mainstream politics. Mainstream can't mean the official line or it becomes propaganda.

Somehow we are stuck in a 4 year lie. It is repeated over and over again. Now that it is clear, for anyone who cares to look that the story was conspiracy between the Democrats, the CIA, FBI and the press. The story the Trump people were conspiring with Russia needs to stop. The story Trump is a pawn of Putin is about as ridiculous and saying the Governor of Texas is a pawn of the Governor of New Mexico.

I bring this up, because the Chinese debate is going to be obscured by more Russia bull****. We have done nothing with this story and the war Obama and Soros were waging in the Ukraine, but push Russia into the Chinese orbit. It is as important to expose this conspiracy and push the Russian interference lie into the dustbin of history as to push the Chinese ****ed us over story. Adam Schiff will be put on the lie media to push the story again, despite the fact that Schiff authored a report that he knew was a lie and should be in prison. The US network news isn't fit to be listened to, for anyone looking for the truth.

The story needs to turned to the truth. The truth is the Chinese failed to notify, they closed their internal borders to movement, while allowing travel around the world. This is at a minimum, benign neglect. But, it appears to be malicious action, maybe to level the playing field of what was pretty much an unknown national epidemic. The opportunity of the US to trace this disease was foreclosed by this allowed travel. They went to Europe instead of the USA and it travelled from that direction.

Much of the negligence of this disease, outside of China, lies at the feet of the EU and the NY officials. Absent NY and this is not a national story. NYC has a near $100 billion budget. NY state has a budget double Florida. Why weren't De Blasio and Cuomo looking after the health of their people? Why wasn't the EU looking after the health of their people. The EU should have followed Trump and closing off China. There was knowledge of this disease by the end of January, as Trump made the announcement with his closure of China. De Blasio was holding his parties in Chinatown in late February, instead of watching the import of the disease. There are roughly 350,000 confirmed cases in NY and another 150,000 in neighboring NJ. Real cases in the area are likely 10 to 20 times that amount. They should have known and been taking action in early February. Trump should have closed all international travel, when he shut China, but hell would have boiled over.

Now they want to do contact tracing. What a bunch of morons. Contact tracing in NYC would have been difficult in early February, had we shut the borders. It could have been done, but NYC itself would have needed to be quarantined. Where was Cuomo, De Blasio and Fauci when something was possible? Were they planning a political attack instead of a defense?

In comparison, one must ask why there are 1/5th the cases in California than there are in NY? LA county is likely as populous as NYC. How many cases in LA can be traced to NYC? I bet most of them. A sizable number of celebrities have tested positive. Where do they travel?

We are going to have to push this China story, as the damage lies at the feet of China. We can't get the truth of national politics out in the open. We have a judge in DC ignoring a 9-0 recent Supreme Court ruling on the Flynn case. We have the media ignoring the Obama scam run out of the White House to undermine his successor. Obama is aiding the current obstruction. He messaged the swamp, talking about the rule of law, something that was never applied to his administration, which was engaged in massive political spying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-2A8pEs....

The link is to The Duran. They discuss a wide number of topics, including CV19 and Obamagate.

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Using atomic weapons on states that can shoot back isn't a good idea. They might have a better system of intercepting them than we do. MAD has saved the world the past 70 years.

You might be shocked what moving $100 to $200 billion of production of China would do to their economy. Half the economy is capital expansion. It disappears, as conserving capital becomes operative. Biggest bubble since the 1929 US financed export bubble. Starting with strategic goods, the exodus should begin immediately.

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BTW, I had the where it started conversation with an older brain surgeon I know. This was in late February. I think he had enough of the story to be accurate. The bats live 800 miles from Wuhan and weren't part of the goods sold there. The lab was down the street, not 20 miles away. Someone from the lab infected the market. I doubt the infection was done on purpose, or the Chinese would have stopped it there. If the worker was young, they probably showed few, if any symptoms. The Chinese crime was post de facto. They intentionally lied to the world, probably for internal and international political purposes.

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Emg
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"Is this why there is such a big push to vaccinate and track?"

Look up the research on using vaccines to sterilize populations. Oh, and don't forget we can now use engineered viruses to edit human DNA.

I don't trust anything Trudeau may want to inject me with.
Smanning
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Where is the NSA leaks now? I bet they monitor all China's comms so we have SIGINT on exactly where this came from. I have my own thoughts about the fortune 500s and Deep State alliance as to why they would keep such a thing hidden from the American people. i.e. Not upsetting the cheap labor marketplace they get out of the fealty to China. Doubt it EVER sees light of day.
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This is a little side note, but interesting if one is in to researching said things....

Speaking of HIV there is some strong but circumstantial evidence that it has actually been around for a long time, but it didn't actually become a problem for humans until we eliminated smallpox.

A little background...there was a couple of cases of people who were identified in to 60s as having it.

So apparently the HIV virus is much less likely to infect those that have had a recent smallpox vaccination, but we stopped giving those out widespread at the end of the 70s.

There is some thought that the HIV virus is unable to bind to the receptors needed if you have either

1. Had smallpox and lived and recovered
2. Had cowpox or some other virus that gave degrees of limited immunity
3. Were innoculated or vaccinated for smallpox

It is interesting because we see something similar with Covid, apparently there is a type of TB vaccine where if you have has it your odds are 60x less likely to contract Rona and develop Covid.
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@Dcsleeper We would lose. You haven't tried to hire to many millennial have you? Soft no work ethic by in large. I'm not getting my middle aged butt out there. Chinese are hard as nails. Most have vivid memory of worse than great depression conditions and have no issue with 16 hr days. Unless we used nukes but then everyone loses.

Only way is boycotts by civilized countries. We allowed them to build up and can take it away.
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@ Pete we've proven virus's are selective by our response. China and other tigers are open. We foolishly crippled our economy... never in the history of man has this been done. You never shut down your economy even if 10 of your biggest cities are nuked or you're gettting bombed 24/7 like the brits were and still went to factories instead of hide in basement. All I'd be researching is virus's if I were China screw nukes, destroyers, and such... Karens will take care of our demise after infections rise.
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@Tickerguy
As I said a couple of months ago, our corporations that have production lines in China aided and abetted the Communist Chinese government, by not saying anything last year!

Gee sounds like they kept quiet as they watched people drop off their production lines!!

Oh wait humm you don't suppose that our Merican companies didn't notify Washington DC do you and they too kept it quiet???

Hummmmm yeah notice how all of the stores had all of the covid-19 signage for the restrictions of socialist distancing ready to go!!

notice how all of the stores that set up stupid apparatuses in front of their entrances had all of that **** shipped in, in no time yeah you know it's almost as if it was in the back waiting to be used!!

and they're stupid pointless face Shields at the cash registers, notice how those came out of nowhere real quick????

but let me guess everyone's going to talk about how there's a special group of people in Washington DC that totally kept Trump in the dark about it he didn't know oh nooooo!!!

Nonsense, if all of our corporations even just Ford, GM, Chrysler and Apple computer they knew about this they saw people dropping their production lines and you can't tell me they didn't tell somebody, really why would they do that oh well wait a minute see that means that they are firmly in the Communist Court, yes that means that they really are helping the communist government oh gee....

but of course the other side of the coin is that if those companies did whisper a little something to Trump and the gang in DC or told some senators on either fictitious side of the aisle and then they still never said anything which means oh no they're all helping the Chinese government!!!!! see the pickle that were in????

And yet they scream that they're going to sue the Chinese government even though it was the American government that completely overreacted for nothing more than basically the flu!!

So the angry at China **** is a cover!! It's all a ****ing cover for the fact that China doesn't need America!!! Our own ****ing companies have ditched us!!
They make and sell their products everywhere in the world but here!!

They do sell us products (for now) but we pay 3-4 times more than the rest of the ****ing world!! Pretty soon books will be taking out alone to buy the female of the family tampons!!

what in the hell are people going to want these companies do not give one flying ****ing dick about us we're going to learn what do they help people going to learn that mouthpiece more on politicians don't really give a **** either you know why because the political parties in which you vote for because that's who you're very poor not voting for the person you're voting for a ****ing political party which is guess what a corporation.... what are people going to wake up and see that and yes it is a corporation (RNC) Inc and (DNC) Inc....

You know what this really is call this is a classic case of Washington DC sold our ****ing asses out yet again that's what the hell this is instead of putting on a dog and pony show the fool ****ing retards!!

Oh I'm pissed off!!
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Here say hi to Ohio's rhinos, do I think their horns are a little off!
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@Tickerguy do you suppose I could post a couple of short videos of my dad making fun of the corona panic and our governor??
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Absolutely....

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Here is a video taken off of YouTubeagainsthe1stAmendment:

https://www.aier.org/article/stand-up-fo....

The subject of the video is a Doctor of Epidemiology originally from Germany. He has a very different opinion on the fight against the WuFlu as it has been deployed in the USA.


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(Politicians), 536 commoditized temple monkeys pawing through the ruins of America in search of bribes. (The District of Corruption) works like a vending machine. You put coins in the slot, select your law, and the desired legislation slides out." Fred Reed. Some editting by me.


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@Smanning

No, everybody would not lose if Americans used nukes on the Chinese. The people plotting to replace you and everyone you love with a vermin-eater would lose, and lose big.

On the contrary---nukes are the only realistic means of removing the threat China poses to western civilization. It would take a matter of hours.

Big winners would include the peace-loving peoples surrounding China that China has tormented and exploited for centuries. After the People's Republic had effectively ceased to exist, I would invite China's former subject nationalities to help themselves to as much land in Chinese territory as they thought they could easily defend, and finish the job of wiping the Han tribe off the face of the earth.

I expect them to accept the offer with gusto. They hate the Chinese as much as we do---and have centuries worth of scores to settle with them.
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@Tickerguy
Thanks, it won't upload I think it's the wrong format or it's too big! Not sure what to do... Perhaps I could convert it! Unless you have an alternative way I could send it!
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