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 It's Called Evolution, Gentlemen (Tickerforum Changes)
Antone 9k posts, incept 2008-02-03

I don't think I'd make it in a place like China if everything collapses. I'm pretty sure I'd be eaten by the locals for having been "the cause of all the problems."

Corzine is now gone. Fuck that guy. Back to the original. As it should be.

Wir sind gefickt.
Uwe 10k posts, incept 2009-01-03

I've been reflecting on this Ticker for two days now, which included a 600 mile drive yesterday. First, like many others here, I need to say, Thank you, Karl for the education you've provided to me over the last 5 years.

KD wrote..
My decision will not change until America changes. Until it wakes up. Until the people demand and the government of this county, this state and this nation recognize everyone's fundamental rights -- that shall not be infringed means what it says.

In my opinion, people won't wake up until after we've had a real collapse. Let me give you just one example: On a gun forum I sometimes visit, one of the regular posters recently asked what people would do if they saw someone peaceably walking down the street OCing a holstered pistol and a rifle slung over their back. OC is not legal in the state in that this forum is based in. The majority of responses were "Call the police." Why? "Because it's illegal". So what? Is it wrong? Are the laws of that state compatible with the Second Amendment and the basic, unalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence? Well, it turns out that many of them don't believe in unalienable, natural or god-given rights; they believe that government grants rights, and of course it if it can grant them, it can take them away. And again, this on on a freaking gun forum. I'm very disillusioned.

KD wrote..
At the end of the day you have to be able to sleep with yourself every night. And unfortunately there can come a point where the cost-to-benefit ratio is simply all out of whack.

The cost-benefit ratio for me personally is not out of whack yet. As you know, I own a very successful business in a field that's effectively unregulated. O-Care is annoying, but it won't make it untenable for me to continue. Still, I fully expect the day to come when Leviathan does something that will lead me to conclude that it's my time to go on strike indefinitely as well.

To prepare for that, I'm now putting all of my surplus into creating my own miniature version of Mulligan's Valley in the Blue Ridge Mountains. OK, it's not a valley, it's actually more of a ridge line. In June, I started with a house on 43 acres. Today, I added an additional 65 adjacent acres. Next will be additional 48 and 18 acre parcels adjacent to the 65. For the time being, I'm keeping my purchases contiguous, but if anyone else is interested, there's plenty of land available around here, e.g. a 200+ acre parcel a mile up the road for under $1400 / acre.

Yes, buying up property means paying property taxes but those are quite low in this county (typically 0.5% of assessed value or less) and local county governments especially in counties like this one (pop. under $15k) are not the problem. There's no zoning and no real restrictions on what you do with or on your property here. Wanna keep livestock? No problem. Wanna shoot your guns? No problem. Wanna clearcut some woods and use or sell the timber? No problem.

Anyway on some level I feel like a scab for not joining immediately, but I think everyone has to decide for themselves when they're ready. I'm not quite there yet, but the way things are going, I know it' inevitable that I'll get there.


"Corona Virus will come and go, but government will NEVER forget how easy it was to take control of everyone's life; to control every sporting event, classroom, restaurant table, church p
Gates 6k posts, incept 2008-01-29

Yeah Ben... I whiffed a little FSA attitude a few pages back...
Basspig 436 posts, incept 2012-11-26

Late to the party here, and I actually discovered this specific Ticker because someone posted it on Facebook.

I've been a lurker here for a couple of years before I decided that it would be better to become a part of this community than not. I have found Karl's writings to be spot on. Sometimes, he sounds like an Objectivist, despite the fact that in his latest blog, he denies such.

To the few Marxists trolls here that think he owes you this information, you just don't get it, do you? The product of a man's mind belongs to no one but himself. I learned this from Ayn Rand in 1962. And it has shaped my attitude toward everything from taxation to military draft ever since. Sociopath Socialists and Marxists hate men of the mind, because they feel threatened by men of Unborrowed Vision. When you put a zero next to an achiever, the reaction of the zero, the non-producer, is to punish the producer by stealing from him. Shame on all moochers!

I will miss Karl and this forum, should he decide to pull up stakes and vanish. This is an area where I can feel free to discuss ideas that resonate with me, without a bunch of others pointing sticks at me and acting like I belong in an asylum. Indeed, there are many here who feel more strongly about certain, uh, self-defense issues than even I do. What a great community!

We all want a peaceful resolution to the problem. Indeed, we face an event which is strangely remeniscent of the good vs evil scenario in Steven King's "The Stand." The whole nation is heading to a standoff between producers and destroyers, aided by their minions, the moochers. The odds are slim. The casualties will be devastating. But it is a battle we have no choice but to fight.

Battles will be fought on many levels. The ones that don't 'count' are the individual battles--the raids on individual homes, in which the home dweller is vastly outnumbered and outgunned. Their will be larger battles as groups form. The truckers strike to DC next week is, what I hope to be, one of the more effective means of sending a message to the Destroyers. And I hope they will do it again and again until the monsters realize that they cannot have their way with us.

Battles that turn violent are the ones in which the victim realizes he has no options. Joe Stack III was one such case. He faced a long prison term or death. He chose death, and sent a message. Faced with such an untenable set of options, I think more than a few men would choose his way out.

I have been starving the beast unwittingly since 1989, when I left full time employment. I have run small business after small business, first by the book, legal and above-board, but gradually, after discovering that the 'reward' for doing things by the book is being taxed out of business, moved underground to avoid the property taxes on business equipment. For decades, I have maintained the realization that earning more than a few grand a year means working mostly for Uncle Sam. So I was always afraid to make any changes that would put me in a position of having to increase my business revenue into the larger numbers. I thought I was okay until I got behind on my property taxes. Then I began to get really angry at the fraud perpetrated on 'home owners'. That's when I became active again at writing LTEs to my local paper. The vitriole and hatred I got back from school teachers was shocking. It was at that point that I knew that trying to change things by the "accepted" channels was pointless and began to stock up on ammunition. That was 1998.

There are still a lot of people who have no clue and who still work their jobs and believe in paying taxes. But we're making strides. I've been listening to HAM radio for half a century, and never before in those years have I heard politics discussed until this year. I listen to the Liberty Net on saturday nights and Survival Net on Sunday nights, and also through their web streams' archives during the weekdays. But other, ordinary HAMs are starting to talk about current events and politics. Many are concerned greatly about the nature of these events and more than a few have a sense of what's wrong. Plus we're starting to see those "impeach Obama" signs along bridges and roads, even up here in the Communist state of CT.

So my message to Karl is, "don't run this site for us--run it for your own benefit--because as your ideas help to save the country, it will be a better place for you and your daughter to live in in the future." That we benefit is a bi-product of your efforts, for which most of us are appreciative. But the real reason to keep at it is for YOU. America is the last bastion of freedom. Once we lost America, there is no place left to go on this planet.

The true value of the ownership of property is in the liberty it gives you, not in its potential to make money.
Jluciani 20 posts, incept 2012-07-25

KD - looks as if your move has evoked keen interest...

Karl Denninger Orders One Bad Pizza

Posted on October 1, 2013 by Dave Harrison 4 Comments

Remember that scene from Jerry Maguire. The one where Tom Cruise stays up all night writing that manifesto about how he grew a conscious in regard to the sports agency industry. Looks like Karl Denninger of is no longer going to Help me help you! but instead is headed to The Gulch.


p.s. - please don't "ban-hammer" the messenger
Lplate 4k posts, incept 2008-08-06

Thank you smiley
Patentleathershoes 10k posts, incept 2007-09-13

Thank you Gen. I believe God will reward your efforts. You know that I believe that.


"An unborn child's property rights are protected by law. His right to life is not." Ronald Reagan
Jal 1k posts, incept 2009-03-25

It's nice to be able to stop feeding the beast.
Its more comfortable doing it when you have more than bailling wire and duck tape.
(Been there, done that, and I'm still going)
Spanktron9 7k posts, incept 2009-03-13

Uwe wrote-
In my opinion, people won't wake up until after we've had a real collapse.

Based on conversations I have had with some extremely well educated people that were in their 30s and 40s during the break up of the USSR, many will STILL not wake up. They will drink the Kool-Aid as to the reasoning for the collapse.

"This entire country needs a rebirth. Birth is painful and bloody." -Eleua
"Don't coast through life. Grab it by the hair and fuck it half to death." - Jotapay
Apotheoun 4k posts, incept 2009-08-14


Why do you have to depress me?

Waiting for the fourth box, I'm done.
Spanktron9 7k posts, incept 2009-03-13


Apparently, its my purpose in life? smiley I have several friends with multiple PhDs and MSs who fled Ukraine and Georgia post break up. They all believe that the Socialist dream was destroyed by outsiders.

"This entire country needs a rebirth. Birth is painful and bloody." -Eleua
"Don't coast through life. Grab it by the hair and fuck it half to death." - Jotapay
Kamath 1k posts, incept 2009-04-04

Spanktron9 is correct. One of my friends is a Russian woman (I think she's 54-55 by now...), the daughter of a WWII soldier who became a General in one of the Soviet Red Army artillery branches.

Occassionally, she displays incredible lack of understanding regarding live in the SU. She was born into a favoured class...

"Yep - and that fucker didn't want to light either. I had to soak it in gasoline for a full day before that rat bastard thing would combust." - Karl Denninger
""We could not be more ill served
Kamath 1k posts, incept 2009-04-04

The collapse will probably not cause awakening.

IMO, the collapse is just the beginning of God's punishment for the evil people and their sins.

"Yep - and that fucker didn't want to light either. I had to soak it in gasoline for a full day before that rat bastard thing would combust." - Karl Denninger
""We could not be more ill served
Attilahooper 4k posts, incept 2007-08-28

THANK YOU KD ! Your herculean effort will not be soon forgotten, may God bless you with many of his tributes.

You can work with anyone. Some are best worked with by shooting them in the face.
Karl Denninger
Stoptheinsanity 294 posts, incept 2007-07-12

Nothing to say but thank you Karl. You have been a voice of truth and reason, in a land of lies and treason.

Well done sir.

The question is not what you look at, but what you see - Thoreau
Exorcism 366 posts, incept 2007-11-30

Thank you Karl

"The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies."
Robert Conquest
Tesla 15k posts, incept 2008-04-03

I Will Not Comply
By Matthew May

Like most members of the Congress that passed it and, undoubtedly, the president of the United States who signed it, I have not read the entirety of the ill-named Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Yet there is one aspect concerning that legislation of which I am certain: I will not comply.

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government's claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

I will not submit to a cabal who read George Orwell's 1984 not as a terrifying warning, but as an instruction manual. Nor will I submit to the dictates of those who attempt to trample the right of free speech of others in the halls of government who are warning us about the looming tyranny. I refer to those sons of liberty who, as Camus wrote, "are not all legitimate or to be admired. Those who applaud it only when it justifies their privileges and shout nothing but censorship when it threatens them are not on our side."

If (when) the IRS or HHS or any other such entity attempts to extort a tax or fee of any kind for not participating in mandated commerce, they will be met with resistance. I will not pay any such tax or fee.

I live in Massachusetts, where, once upon a time, a spirit of resistance and independence animated much of the citizenry. But many here have devolved from the shot heard round the world to sheltering in place. Not I -- nor many of my fellow Bay Staters, who are outnumbered but undaunted.

Refusing to comply with the dictates of an illegitimate law that is selectively enforced, and from which the privileged few are exempted, is not, in the annals of American history, brave or difficult. Those who refuse to comply are not barefoot in the snows of Valley Forge, crying out in agony at Gettysburg, or rushing the cockpit of Flight 93. While there will be consequences to civil disobedience in defiance of oppression, any difficulties can be and will be overcome.

We are, however, drawing a line that the forces of repression, socialism, and tyranny must not cross. Some might even color the line red. Yet unlike a certain other, this red line is immovable. I yield nothing on the plane of freedom. I will not take any small step that is, in actuality, one giant leap backward to the darkness we thought we had vanquished.

Who is with me?

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Rjazz117 18k posts, incept 2007-09-11

I would like to humbly thank those that have either prayed on our behalf, or expressed their sympathies and/or good wishes to us...individually, or public on this thread, or in private via PM.

TF has been much more than "some website" we visit, and has been so for many years. It is support such as this, that is the reason we devote so much of our time to these forums. We consider many of you to be as near to family as any cyber-relationship can be, and those that don't fall into that category, we consider to be great friends.

Thank you...sincerely.

We will continue to keep "the word" spreading in the real world and online, for as long as we can.


It's amazing how many people are ashamed of their body. It's even more amazing how many people aren't ashamed of their brains.

Pelotadawg 48 posts, incept 2007-06-26

Thank you, I have learned more here than all my years in school.

Geckogm 6k posts, incept 2007-06-26

^^ TF day one
Catman 77 posts, incept 2013-01-19

Made me want to cry, best Ticker ever!!! I'm a 34-year-old longtime entrepreneur and my body has always instinctively recoiled from this insidious parasite philosophy that is ruining our country.

At the end of the day, whether it's the IRS, feminists, or now Obamacare, it is they who need us. We hardworking self-made men don't need them. John Galt 4 Life, homie!!!!! ;)
Sean 2k posts, incept 2009-04-21


You don't happen to be a MGTOW?

Just wondering.

- Sean

GEN 5:32,GEN 7:6, 6/17/1689, 6/17/1789, 10/13/1917, 10/13/2017 (???)
Ktrosper 6k posts, incept 2010-04-06

Thanks, KD. You've changed my life and the lives of my wife and kids with the education you've given me.

The unexamined life is not worth living.-Socrates
The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.-Aristotle
Liberty exists now in the spaces government has not yet ch
Catman 77 posts, incept 2013-01-19

Hi Sean, to answer your question I may by default be becoming a MGTOW, but not for lack of trying to be integrated and appreciated. But as Henny Youngman says:

A man goes to a doctor and starts punching his own head, then says, "Doc, it hurts when I go like this." The doctor says, "Then don't go like this!"

Wish I had the answers...
Setag 155 posts, incept 2007-10-10

Just another voice expressing gratitude and wishing you much joy. Safe waters, Karl.
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