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2021-02-28 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Before I begin for those who want to call health-care workers "heroes": Damn near every single "doctor" and hospital are included in the title of this article, and throughout I shall prove it.

Let's start with President Trump and his HHS jackass who put into place financial incentives for people to wind up in the hospital, particularly those over 65 who are on Medicare, with even more financial incentives if you were put on a ventilator.

USA Today, hardly a "right wing conspiracy rag", said this back in April of 2020:

We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE.

Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it's considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases.

May I remind you that on the data from Wuhan we knew that 90+% of the time being put on a ventilator was futile for Covid-19 patients, and again, we knew that in March.

Doubt me?  Here's the study data which I reported out at the time -- March of 2020.


Why would you pay three times more if you did a thing that had a 90+% rate of killing someone unless you wanted them to die?

That which you pay more for you will get more of -- every time.

Now you can go ahead and claim that nobody "falsified" the data with regard to hospitals and death certificates, that is, claimed someone had Covid-19 and it killed them when they didn't.

That doesn't matter when you get down to brass tacks.

What does matter is that we knew how to stop people from being killed by Covid-19 all the way back to the summer months, conclusively so, in nearly every case.  Yes, in some cases therapy and early intervention will fail (so do vaccines some of the time) but in most cases these therapies succeed.

When did we know that early intervention worked in old people particularly?

In April of 2020.

Did we make that something to be widely used immediately, back in April of 2020?

NO.  In fact we did the opposite; the NIH specifically recommended against the use of Ivermectin.

If you don't go to the hospital then the hospital doesn't make their extra money, particularly if you're 65+ and on Medicare.  If the hospital doesn't get you in there or you don't get sicker they don't get the even larger, three times larger, bonus from putting you on a machine that is extremely likely to kill you.  Who is at the greatest risk from Covid-19?  Those over 65 and thus on Medicare; statistically-speaking this is a disease that harms damn few younger individuals.

As the evidence piled up in the summer did we change the recommendations?


All the way to December we did not and indeed as of today the NIH position is "neutral"!

Again folks: These are real clinical physicians who are using this therapy in extremely high-risk patients with a 90-100% reduction in hospitalizations and deaths.  Not once, not twice, repeatedly in every case.  In addition there is not one failed clinical trial on record.

Why did we not strongly recommend and use Ivermectin despite the overwhelming evidence that it worked all the way back to April of 2020?

The $30,000 in extra payments to the hospital wasn't enough -- oh no, there were in fact tens of billions of dollars at stake, and your mother, grandfather or other family member had to be slaughtered in order to make sure that money flowed and kept flowing. 

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

The EUAs for vaccines (and Remdesivir) were illegal if there was an adequate, approved and available alternative.  HCQ, Ivermectin (and budesonide) are all available and approved drugs.  This meant that in order to obtain EUAs for Remdesivir, monoclonal antibodies and the vaccines on an EUA basis it was necessary to deliberately deny that the use of these existing therapeutic agents were adequate even though the data was that their use prevented somewhere between 75 and 90% of all hospital admissions when used early and even when not used until hospital admission prevented the majority of intubations and deaths.

In other words the data is that they work as well as a vaccine.

If that is not "adequate" would you mind telling me what would be?

Our governments at the federal and state levels, all 50 states including those like Tennessee and Florida which have claimed to be "leaders" in Covid-19, deliberately sat back and let your loved ones be denied known safe and likely effective treatments for Covid-19 and the data says that as a direct result of that intentional refusal a whole lot of them are dead.

Mostbut not all physicians and hospitals not only went along with this bullshit they explicitly supported it and the hospitals got to bill Medicare for every person over 65 at a greatly elevated rate by doing so.

This is why the vast majority of those who Covid-19 killed have died.

Our local hospital's record here is that nearly 65% of those admitted for Covid-19 left in a box.

Damn near all of those individuals should have survived but then the roughly $5 million our local hospital obtained in "extra and triple-extra payments", assuming most or all of the 163 dead were on Medicare, would not have been paid out to them.

There was no medical reason for any of the hysteria, closures, mandates or anything else -- including vaccines.

Why are you still quietly putting up with this bullshit, including mask mandates, business and school closures and more?

Our government, physicians and hospitals knew how to keep Covid-19 from being a serious threat to your health in April of 2020 with cheap and widely-available drugs just as physicians use antibiotics for bacterial infections on a daily basis that would otherwise be deadly.  Instead of using known safe and available existing drugs they intentionally let the virus kill nearly a half-million people along with the government destroying the education of our children and countless businesses and jobs for the explicit purpose of funneling billions of dollars to the medical and pharmaceutical industry, along with furthering the political aspirations of various actors all through the United States.

These were not deaths that occurred despite our "best efforts"; they were mass-homicide.

If you are willing to let your government slaughter your mother while believing their intentionally-false claim that wearing a diaper on your face "works" and as a result you sat back for the last year and watched 500,000 of your countrymen and women die rather than rising up and holding every one of those ghouls accountable for the unnecessary death they deliberately allowed for both political and financial profit then you are the monster.

In my nearly six decades of drawing breath on this rock I've never seen our government, until Covid-19 showed up, take actions that I believed were worthy of a no-bullshit uprising with essentially every government official at all levels being physically dragged out of office by their hair and tossed into the street with nothing more than their underwear remaining to their name.  Never in my adult life would I have believed that our government, with its alleged "checks and balances", would deliberately kill half a million American citizens over 12 months time by allowing them to choke on their own spit through the intentional concealment and outright suppression of known safe medical therapies via threats, executive orders, outright lies and even license suspensions for the explicit purpose of enriching certain "chosen people and corporations" both politically and economically.

Over the last 12 months I've read well over a hundred scientific and medical research papers and myriad references which in my opinion document conclusively that this is in fact exactly what happened at a level of proof more than sufficient to sustain criminal convictions.

I've given this virus and our government's response to it at all levels more than one full year of my effort as an independent journalist.

That ends today, February 28th, 2021.

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Ronniemcghee 523 posts, incept 2012-07-28
2021-02-28 07:52:33

"WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patients viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology." 13 January 2021

And poof - cases world wide begin dropping as second tests confirm - false positives have been fueling the pandemic numbers.
Hundredacrewood 13 posts, incept 2021-02-18
2021-02-28 08:23:37

And now the NIH says it's perfectly healthy to inhale your own carbon dioxide.

Dji 1k posts, incept 2009-04-21
2021-02-28 08:46:57

USA Today, hardly a "right wing conspiracy rag", said this back in April of 2000:

2000? or 2020?

This ticker is SPOT on THANK YOU KD for all the work you have done!

I have come to the conclusion 99% of the people are too stupid to realize they
have and are being CONNED.

Don't be a bag holder-Me

What goes up Must come Down- Alan Parsons Project
Tickerguy 200k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-02-28 08:47:05

Typo fixed.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Njca 274 posts, incept 2018-10-16
2021-02-28 08:51:55

In June 2007, Azar was hired by Eli Lilly and Company chief executive officer Sidney Taurel to be the company's top lobbyist and spokesman as its Senior Vice President of Corporate Affairs and Communications.[6][19] Azar left the position after the 2008 United States presidential election was won by Democratic Party candidate Barack Obama and the corporation wanted to replace Azar with a Democrat in that role.[citation needed]

In April 2009, Azar became Vice President of Lilly's U.S. Managed Healthcare Services organization and its Puerto Rico affiliate.[20] In 2009, the company paid $1.415 billion to settle criminal charges regarding its promotion of antipsychotic drug Zyprexa (olanzapine) for off-label uses between 1999 and 2005.[19]

Effective January 1, 2012, Azar became President of Lilly USA, LLC, the largest division of Eli Lilly and Company, and was responsible for the company's entire operations in the United States.[20] Prices for drugs rose substantially under Azar's leadership, including the tripling of the cost of the company's top-selling insulin drug. Also under Azar's watch, Eli Lilly was one of three companies accused in a class-action lawsuit of exploiting the drug pricing system to increase profits for insulin. Eli Lilly was also fined in Mexico for colluding on the price of insulin.[21][22] In connection with the position, Azar served on the board of directors of the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, a pharmaceutical lobby.[23]

In January 2017, Azar resigned from Eli Lilly "to pursue other career opportunities" as a result of a company reorganization.[24] He also resigned from the board of directors of the Biotechnology Innovation Organization. In his last year at the corporation he earned $2 million.[25]
Step55 241 posts, incept 2009-02-27
2021-02-28 08:58:56

I thank you for exposing factual needed information as we all waded through the sea of lies. My own comprehension of what danger we face with possible medicinal solutions owes almost all to discussions here. Today, attempting to make decisions not persuaded by endless shills is daunting. When the criminals make the rules our satisfaction regarding the end result is muted but not conquered.
Raven 16k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2021-02-28 09:04:01

There is no more that you can do Karl. No other words than Thank you.

Your work is appreciated as always, supported in any way possible by many of us.

After a while one finds that continuing is painful and frustrating.

It is time for others to step up. If they do not, it is on them.

If one finds that it hurts to hit oneself with a hammer, one should stop.

Have been debating with myself for a couple weeks saying something about my personal activities in the forum. Will do so in the more private side. Essentially it was a similar decision. Resulting from this work an insight came about from another which impressed me. Sometimes it is necessary to let go for others to find their mission. It is why death is a gift as well as its contribution to the wisdom that the time for all things must pass for others to have the freedom to stand. Letting go of a leadership position is sometimes required.

As a brilliant and dedicated surgeon once said to me, "The time to leave something, including life, is while one is still good at it."

Mission Complete

The truth is just too powerful to know. Those who hold the truth suffer more than those who believe the lie. -The Hall of Tears
Wifi 13k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2021-02-28 09:52:41

The media should ne included in this. They are running the propaganda, everywhere! All of the media, print, digital, and TV are owned by a handful that are in on this entire shit show. I will not be surprised to to see youtube pull that video,"Thank you for helping save my Dad's Life." I have this video downloaded/uploaded to rumble https://rumble.com/ve8h5j-thank-you-for-....

Why get COVID-19 vaccination if you still have to wear a mask? It beats getting sick, health experts say.
Get a COVID-19 vaccine and you'll be counseled to keep wearing a mask and keep staying away from other people. So, what's the point?

There's an immediate benefit to the person who receives a vaccine, said Andy Slavitt, White House senior adviser on the COVID-19 response.

"People are interested in taking the vaccine," he said at a Monday news conference, because "they don't want to be sick and they don't want to die."

Getting two shots of either the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduces an individual's risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 by about 95%, according to large research trials.

I've given this virus and our government's response to it at all levels more than one full year of my effort as an independent journalist.

That ends today, February 28th, 2021.

Karl thank you for all of your hard work, and diligence! I have passed on the information, and data along to others, as you have presented it. I guarantee,, you have turned many around, and away from the vile propaganda, that has become the new normal.

"We live in a, ideocracy populated with morons." - Goldbrick

Blanca 578 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2021-02-28 09:53:43

My dad went to the hospital for a fall. He was tested for COVID, found to be positive, and sequestered to the COVID ward. Ultimately, he died after the mindless application of COVID protocols irrespective of his underlying health conditions. His children were unable to be with him (no visitors) and advocate for him until the end, after it was too late.

On his death certificate, the cause of death was listed as COVID pneumonia. His lungs were fine, as indicated by multiple XRays and CT scans. I complained to the funeral home, and was told that ALL of the death certificates list COVID as the cause of death.

The hospital killed my dad. Stay out of the hospitals!
Tonythetiger 969 posts, incept 2019-01-27
2021-02-28 09:54:16

I'm sure I speak for many others when I offer my sincere thanks to Karl for putting in the effort to derail the train speeding toward disaster. Without those efforts a great many folk would not have had a place to go where rational discussion of Covid based on known and proven facts could be found.

As for ending the rampant corruption, that too will come to pass but perhaps not in the way we all think it should. It will take time to sufficiently undermine the belief in the Scammer-Political-Medical complex narrative. Like the steady erosion of soil beneath a building eventually results in a sinkhole that consumes everything,

One day everything Covid will collapse in a short period of time, but it will be the steady chipping away over a long time that brings on the final event.

While the odds of proper punishment for those responsible are very low, the magnitude of the offense and Western world wide coordination may spark a quite violent response that ends in ropes on lamp posts. In this case, that doesn't seem like an over reaction, but we'll see.

Based on a small family gathering of 20 or so people, living in different parts of the country, I'd say that far more than half of the people realize that the fix is in and the entire Covid nonsense is all about the money. Those people may not yet realize the connection between the money and criminal neglect given the available, and successful, treatments that are available for very low cost, but if they ever do we might see the fireworks that Karl is looking for.

Thanks again Karl. I hope you continue to post an occasional Covid update on facts and treatments if for no other reason than to provide material to educate the masses. Nobody expects you to overturn the building by yourself, but we must each do what we can to continue undermining the foundation in order to enable the collapse that's coming in the future.

The best way to do that, IMHO, is to continue spreading the truth to everyone who will listen. Even if they don't agree, one day in the future they may think, "Holy crap! That horse-paste eating nut-job was right." Destroying faith in the corrupt system is an important milestone on fixing the problem.

Even a Karen may react violently against the scammers once they realize how long they've been fed lies by the experts they have relied on. But first they must hear the truth from us horse paste-eaters.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin
Crossthread 14k posts, incept 2007-09-04
2021-02-28 10:30:28


(I keep asking myself)?

With many answers, none of them good..

Everyone of us are ignorant, its just we specialize our ignorance on different subjects.

The only walls that will confine you are the ones that you build yourself
Wis/min 5k posts, incept 2009-08-14
2021-02-28 10:30:34

"I'm sure I speak for many others when I offer my sincere thanks to Karl for putting in the effort to derail the train speeding toward disaster. Without those efforts a great many folk would not have had a place to go where rational discussion of Covid based on known and proven facts could be found.
I completely agree.

Karl, you have made a difference.

Augeries 429 posts, incept 2019-09-26
2021-02-28 10:53:20


They not only refused you visitation, but refused your advocacy? You are certainly a more level-headed person than I am. That would be an Anger turns to Wrath moment for me.

The World is Quiet Here.
Raftermanfmj 5k posts, incept 2010-09-06
2021-02-28 10:53:39

Great ticker, will be Reddit linking it later; Sunday is the perfect day as theres more eyes on that site.

Id like to think the reason for this genocidal debacle is incompetence; many appear to think its all about the Benjamins. But its perhaps even more evil than that...

Lastly you can simply email Mr. Denninger if you think youve spotted a spelling error and not clutter the comments with your corrections.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel. - Horace Walpole

The universe is not only stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we can imagine. - Haldane's Law
Exelitepwrlftr 143 posts, incept 2019-12-16
2021-02-28 11:00:25

That ends today, February 28th, 2021.

Say it ain't so Gen. I've been eagerly awaiting your all cause mortality analysis since last year when it became clear to me that total deaths in the US throughout 2020 will be largely similar on average to any other year in the last decade or so.

I hope we will get to see something from you on all cause mortality once the final tallies are released for 2020 (assuming they ever get published).
Step55 241 posts, incept 2009-02-27
2021-02-28 11:00:30

Karl, you and others here have made mention of the death statistics for 2020.

Have they been published or are they still adjusting the codes?

Tickerguy 200k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2021-02-28 11:09:44

The preliminary numbers are there BUT you're still getting them from two different places, and in addition you have to trend-fit the previous 10 years (which I had already done.)

Attempting to disentangle the alleged Covid-19 deaths will be impossible as they deliberately polluted the data, but what is clear is that those who the virus did kill (and there were plenty of them, although not as many as claimed) were killed because of the government's policies and the health care system going along with it in order to collect the money, and not a virus.

This is exactly what happened in 1918 EXCEPT in 1918 the government didn't do it, the secondary bacterial infections did and antibiotics hadn't been discovered yet so despite a DESIRE to help there were no tools usable for the task.

This time there were myriad tools which we knew worked including HCQ, Ivermectin and Budesonide, along with many other helpful things like resolving Vitamin D deficiency -- the latter which we knew was a major factor for viral infections ten years ago in older people yet did nothing about it.

The former three were all known by April of 2020; all three were known safe. Ivermectin proved by summer to be wildly superior to HCQ, but even so HCQ works if used early -- which the doctors deliberately did not do.

Both 1918's flu and this virus do not and did not kill, with very few exceptions. In both cases it was the secondary events that killed; in 1918 bacterial infection and this time immune dysregulation.

In 1918 we didn't know how to stop it because we didn't have the tools.

THIS TIME we did know how to stop it early for each infection, we did have the tools, they were cheap and available yet we intentionally refused to use them.

That's mass-homicide.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Spitcher2 175 posts, incept 2018-05-17
2021-02-28 11:49:46

Thank You so much Karl!

Re: "Now you can go ahead and claim that nobody "falsified" the data with regard to hospitals and death certificates, that is, claimed someone had Covid-19 and it killed them when they didn't.

That doesn't matter when you get down to brass tacks."

The CDC broke the law when they made changes to how deaths (from C19) were to be reported. They adopted the recommendations of the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists (CSTE) into the Federal Register without public comment/peer review.

Tsherry 14k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2021-02-28 12:12:49

We don't have laws any longer.

We have proclamations that are casually understood, widely ignored, selectively punished. If you're in the club, you aren't punished at all. If you aren't in the club, your life is forfeit if your demise can serve as a lesson for the rest of the sheep.

Whitehat called it correctly a retrograde society. Probably wise to study up on how third worlders live and try to keep their stuff from being stolen. A complete breakdown of 'law enforcement' is at any time a flip of the switch or a pull of the 'wrong' trigger away.

I'm not ready for that; I doubt anyone else is either.

Father forgive me for the times I craved a place at a table that you would have flipped.
Avionix543 20 posts, incept 2016-12-26
2021-02-28 13:29:12

When considering the totality of present circumstances and the available options, it is increasingly clear that the only way to stop this is to drop the grid.

Exposing lies has made no difference since almost no one cares.

Voting has made less than zero difference, in fact it has made things worse as voting incorrectly is now a criminal offense.

Fighting any sort of armed conflict would be futile under present circumstances.

Lawsuits and civil actions are summarily snuffed in a corrupt and supine judiciary.

Retreating and attempting to live in peace is disallowed since they will chase and harass anyone who does not submit.

We are also outnumbered. Not specifically by the leftists, but by the combination of the leftists and the people who don't give a shit as long as DoorDash works. We outnumber the leftists by a large and clear margin as evidenced by the actual election results. Globally, we are outnumbered by any measure which is why this nation should not fall or it's all over.

Therefore, the only way to ready the field and expose the actual enemy is to clear out the idiots in the middle, shuffling and mooing and masking their stupid little faces as they stare at navel lint seeking meaning they wouldn't comprehend anyway. We recently saw in great detail how exactly to clear these non-participants off the field with the situation in Texas. It also negated nearly all benefits and effects of the various propaganda outlets and technological shackles so favored by the sociopathic genocide crowd. The ice slowed down the physical movements but the real damage to the control network was the loss of comfort and convenience on the part of those being controlled. A highly instructive event, all in all.
Deep6 107 posts, incept 2015-09-01
2021-02-28 13:29:50

They are collecting bank and laughing their asses off.........

Drifter 2k posts, incept 2016-02-11
2021-02-28 13:53:16

RE Wifi: "Getting two shots of either the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduces an individual's risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 by about 95%"...

I notice leftists, the press and some MD's are spinning the 95% number as the shots will provide 95% protection FROM getting covid. "You can hang with other vaxed people now!"

Haven't researched it, but I've read that the JnJ vax is a traditional vaccine. If anybody is co-morbid then that might be the one to get. I'm abstaining, as I still remember anthrax/gulf war syndrome.

Kellyf 56 posts, incept 2011-06-11
2021-02-28 13:53:48

In Peel (suburb of Toronto) they have issued new guidelines for young children.


When people questioned them, they said use a baby monitor so said child can see other family members. Also, to leave the food outside the door for them to get.

"Peel Health has issued guidelines to parents instructing them to keep any children who have been sent home because a classmate has tested positive for COVID-19 isolated in a separate room from all other family members for 14 days.

The severe guidelines, which apply even to small children who are dismissed from child care, are being criticized by experts as harmful and not supported by science.

This is cruel punishment for a child, especially for younger children, 4-10 years old, Dr. Susan Richardson, a microbiologist and infectious disease physician who is also a professor emerita at University of Toronto, wrote in an email to the Sun.

Shutting a child off from their parents and siblings for up to 14 days in this manner could produce significant and long-lasting emotional and psychological effects.
any other time Children's Services would investigate this and take the child away.

Reason: corrected link
Clyde 179 posts, incept 2009-08-19
2021-02-28 17:11:21

Karl you deserve an accuracy/truth in reporting. Just as you got the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award in 2009 (did you get that at the 2009 cpac, can't remember).

Your truth in reporting covid for the last year has been tops in the world.

I applaud you.

Time for you to move on to others issues that we all know will be top notch.
I look forward to them.

It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.

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