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2018-04-09 08:06 by Karl Denninger
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It's really quite-simple folks.

Yes, it's 20 minutes.  Watch it.  Distribute it.  Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts.  Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable.  No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally.  Well, maybe.  But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating.  It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed.  We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero.  If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want.  If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders.  And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence.  It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent.  It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so.

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Supertruckertom
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The Police will kill a few innocent people first.
Then logical people, who aren't "Good Christian" Pacifists, will have a clean conscience when they start hunting politicians and their supporters that started the tyranny.

Han Solo had the right methodology.






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The Police will kill a few innocent people first.


Hasn't this been happening for years now? Several times a week?

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While I hope, quite desperately, that there are enough people that care enough to make a difference if it comes to confiscation, I fear history teaches a quite different lesson.


I don't completely disagree with your statement, but there is not a single country ever that has the liberty and especially "gun culture" of these once great United States.

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Asimov wrote-
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Hasn't this been happening for years now? Several times a week?


Arguably, yes. But it will be harder to continue to spin and suppress, when more and more gray haired well-known members of the community are getting killed because they refuse to accept that they are suddenly felons. How many times can they sell "He was a danger to the community! He had assault _____s!"

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I *REALLY* hope I was just too cynical.

Desperately hope.

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I get it, Asi. I really do. I guess, imagine you are in your 30's, Dad is a vet or lifelong gun guy, and he gets taken down because he won't surrender his collection or submit to registration and supervision. Would you stand up?

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Spank: I'll be 46 this year. If they're coming for him, they'll find me. He happens to live in my basement.

Like most people, I really don't know what would happen. I know that I wouldn't initiate a gunfight in my house with a 3 and 5 year old in the next room. I'm more the type to not discuss what I might do in situations like this so that there's less available to connect me to certain... things.

We're in a funny situation. Individuals acting alone aren't going to be able to accomplish anything in the grand scheme of things. Forming a group in expectation of activities like this are WAY MORE than enough to get you stormed by swat teams and declared terrorists.

Disorganized actions by masses of individuals *MIGHT* accomplish something if there are enough of them acting in similar ways at similar times, like Unintended Consequences portrays. That might well be the best roadmap we have to what I consider a pretty low probability of success, but a chance nonetheless.

The only high probability of success is organization, and my question remains: How exactly is a group supposed to organize to the point where there's a real chance of defense?

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Asi-

It was really a thought experiment. Not directed at you or your situation specifically. I think you can understand my point. If good, honorable, law-abiding men start getting "SWATTED" because they are now non-compliant and thus felons, how long until some percentage of their families or communities takes action?

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Asimov wrote..
The only high probability of success is organization . . .
In a system which adheres to Constitutional principles, that is certainly true.

The problem is that the further we descend into police state status (e.g., secret surveillance/wiretaps via NSA/FBI/other agencies, ubiquitous license plate scanners by virtually all LEOs (fed, state, local), secret/undercover police & informants, secret courts, legalized indefinite & incommunicado detention, "enhanced" interrogation techniques, etc., etc., etc., anyone attempting to actually organize in order to effectively oppose gov't actions has a likelihood of success somewhere between slim and none. (Of course, the gov't will allow people to organize all they want so long as it doesn't get to point that they could possibly be effective.)

Because of the previous paragraph, I believe your comment
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Disorganized actions by masses of individuals *MIGHT* accomplish something if there are enough of them acting in similar ways at similar times, like Unintended Consequences portrays. That might well be the best roadmap . . .
is most likely correct. However, getting a sufficient number of individuals to do this without any organization will require things to get much, much worse before the numbers reach a critical mass necessary to succeed.

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It's not the 46 yo with small kids you have to worry about. It's the folks from about 55 on up whose kids are grown and have no real friends or family. They feel like they have been screwed over (by ex wives, .gov, old employers or just imaginaries in their mind and have nothing to lose. A person with nothing to lose is the one to be feared most. Dying for "a cause" simplifies their life and they justify any whackjob actions with "at least their life Had a purpose."

Best outcome shy of a slow motion civil war is for about 30 million armed people to show up in gun free DC and have a peaceful show of force. But just try and pull that off.

Back to KD's video about 3-10 million deaths.

I visited with a 90 plus year old Holocaust survivor from Hungary about a little less than a year ago. She said this is the same thing that happened with guns there in late 20's and early 30's (and that was before Hitler took over total control.) By the time they were interned in 1939, there were no means to defend themselves. She said it began slowly then by the time you realized what was happening it was too late. Only she and her sister survived.


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