Who Wants To Take On The Home Automtn/Sec Market?
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2017-11-08 16:10 by Karl Denninger
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Who Wants To Take On The Home Automtn/Sec Market?*
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I've talked about HomeDaemon-MCP before.

It's still here, of course, but has continued to be refined and developed.

The current version is 3.0.0 and runs the place.  What's distinct about it compared against other choices?

First and foremost, it has no "central site" requirement at all.

In other words nobody but the owner has access to it and what it controls and monitors.  It uses SSL certificates both to secure your login (via a simple https interface) and to control slave connections between units (of which it can support an effective infinite number of.)  It will talk seamlessly to Zwave devices (including secure ones using AES encryption) and, for those who insist or have legacy devices, X10.

The certificate-based security model means it's trivial to set it up either a "buy it once, get a certificate good for what amounts to lifetime service" or a "buy a certificate good for a year" sort of model (e.g. subscriptions) on the retail side.

In the present political environment I have no interest in retailing it or developing the business structure to either put forward a distribution model or a retail sales model.

But you might.

Oh, and there's a provisional patent related to it that I will file (obviously before I tell anyone what that is or how it works) and it will go with the code, if someone buys it from me.

Yes, this is a "one check" sort of deal, but as you can imagine it might be a fairly large check.

If there's interest use the links on the right to email me and I'll get back to you promptly.

This is what the "monitor" page looks like on my cellphone:

And this is what's running all of that except for the pool gear (it'll run on essentially any system that can run FreeBSD; the Pi happens to be nice and cheap!)

The pool gear has another Pi with a handful of inexpensive ADC (commodity "adafruit" modules for analog sense and relay) ports to switch the valves, pump VFD and spa heater, enclosed in an inexpensive outdoor-gasketed sprinkler-controller enclosure.  It connects over a machine-certificate secured SSL link via WiFi, appearing as a seamless part of the whole.

No more spying, no Alexa, and if you're wondering how stable it is here's your answer -- the last downtime was due to me voluntarily turning the power off to do some work on the rack underneath it..

HD-MCP Controller
Private System; unauthorized access is punishable by law.

$ uptime
2:57PM up 144 days, 17:16, 1 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.18, 0.13

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Attilahooper
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The DNC might be interested, but they would give away root password to a couple of pakis. Lolz.
On a serious note, I try to do homegrown as much as possible, but time, effort and my own limitations hamstring me. I bit the bullet and installed an ecobee with cloud control, on it's own vlan of course, and it's doing it's job.

I can't help but think yours would be ideal for foss.

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Karl, I am in the process of restoring a 65 VW Convertible my BIG goal after/during the restoration process would be to have an on board computer, the idea started out as just having GPS to locate it in case it is stolen (But I do not want a commercial GPS or tracking system, as I want my privacy) it then grew to having a dash cam, and then monitoring the engine functions and then of course other things.

I do not see why it couldn't be, but do you think a system like yours could be modified for vehicles?
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I really don't know a thing about 94% of what you said....but what I do understand is the "nobody can f with it part" ...wished I had the skin to do it cause it looks like a helluva a system.

All the best for you with it!

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I'm not sure what the state of HomeAssistant is with it's zwave support, but I'm digging. The downside to anything open source is you're going to have to put a bunch of pieces together.

The upside is, no one can ever shut off your service (Cough Logitech Harmony Link Cough).

Anyone still buying into the cloud after NEST, Wink, and now Logitech Harmony Link needs to have their brains examined.

Karl, I'd love to take you up on the offer, but

A) my nut is being saved for a patch of acreage
B) I don't have the business acumen to pull it off and
C) Like you, I have no interest in trying to start a business and definitely no interest in going head to head against Google, Samsung and Apple.


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Quote:
I do not see why it couldn't be, but do you think a system like yours could be modified for vehicles?

Probably, yes.

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@MangyMutt, I followed mp3car forum for years, oogling over some of the well crafted carputers. If time permits, and I can get wife's old Jeep WK operating in a reliable fashion, I may throw some money at a homegrown GPS/media player.

I can suggest Ting.com for a pay as you go cell plan. Only $6 per month + service usage.

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I did contemplate putting one of these in my Jetta before I gave it to my kid, tying it into the CCM and connecting a Canbus interface to it.

The problem is getting the protocol requirements to do useful things. Some of it you can hack but some is encrypted and getting it wrong can do bad things, and the manufacturers will NOT release the information to you even though you own the ****ing car.

Z-wave was sort of like this when I wrote HD-MCP; they have since cut the crap to a large degree and Zensys has released the protocol documentation but when I wrote originally they had not and wanted an NDA+money for it, so I decided to reverse-engineer it and stick the middle finger up. Leviton had years ago released a thing called the "RZCOP" which was really my key to being able to do it; it was a very simple (and quite limited) ASCII interface to Zwave and buggier than a roach motel, but it had the ability to send custom frames and there was *just enough* documentation on a few useful examples to be able to figure the framing out. My "first" home control software that I wrote (which was a set of "bolt-on" processes to a "core" manager process; very different design than HD-MCP today) knew how to talk to the RZCOP but the bugs in the interface were annoyingly ugly and the lack of support for many of the newer Zwave devices along with its inability to be a system master controller blew big ones.

The REALLY FUN part of getting this nailed down was reverse-engineering the correct framing and such to do "secure" (AES-encrypted) mode. That took a while. Of course if you want to control and monitor things like locks it's probably a good idea to do it encrypted.... smiley

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