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 Yikes (Bridge Collapse)
Tickerguy 203k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2024-03-26 10:12:05

Vox is wrong on this one and the intimations he is making are just flat 100% shitposting. Sorry, as someone who grew up right near the water and who has run a bunch of different vessels of various sizes, including owning a 45 Hatteras, there is that which you can control and that which you cannot. The 45 had twin screws and controls were fully mechanical along with the diesels themselves -- no electrical power was required for them to run once they were started (and manual hydraulic for the steering gear) so even with ZERO electrical power I could control where the boat went as I had gear, engine speed and rudder authority entirely under mechanical control -- but if I lost engines I was equally fucked as these guys in even a modest wind as rudder authority is dogshit with the screw(s) not turning (or in reverse for that matter; you have SOME authority when moving in reverse, but not very much and without differential thrust, meaning twin screws, you had better both understand how your boat "walks" and operate it in cooperation with the wind and current or its NOT going to go where you want it to! In this situation they had ZERO capacity to be "cooperating" with the wind which was definitely NOT their friend.

There's utterly no evidence of any sort that any of what he outlined had anything to do with it. "Aging infrastructure" and lack of maintenance on the bridge was NOT A FACTOR -- one of its major support columns was hit by an INSANELY MASSIVE object which destroyed it.

The quoted "diesel in the water" is also bullshit, except perhaps that in the truck(s) of the maintenance crews that was reported to be on the bridge at the time -- which is a small amount. The ship's tankage is not at issue and the ship did not sink.

As to WHY electrical (and presumably thus control) of the vessel's engine and almost-certainly steering gear was lost I do not know, of course, but given the wind direction at the time and the windage, plus loss of rudder authority that's all you need for the outcome that occurred.

Yes, the crew are all foreign EXCEPT when in port (such as here) you have at least one and sometimes two harbor pilots that have intimate knowledge of the local area on board who are the ones giving the orders. They are picked up by a vessel that comes alongside once they get clear of the harbor area and are "at sea."

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."

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