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2024-02-09 07:23 by Karl Denninger
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So, Putin....
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Tucker got his interview -- and is still, at least as far as I know, alive.

It's two hours and I understand many of you will simply not listen -- whether because you believe its a propaganda piece or simply because it takes longer than a TikTok or Snapchat to do so.

You're a fool if you don't.

Yes, I took the entire two hours and a few last evening.

Putin, unlike all of our current Executive, carried no notes and used no teleprompter.  He began with what Tucker later described as what he believed might an attempt to filibuster, and I too carried the same opinion for the first, oh, 10 minutes or so.  But then it became clear what he was doing; unlike our so-called "press conferences" there was no pre-arranged time limit, and Putin believed it was important to lay forward the history of the the land formerly and now Russia.

Do I think it made sense for him to do this?  Yes.  He didn't teach me anything new but interestingly enough, during said first 30 minutes or so, I didn't find anything that was clearly bullshit and intended to mislead.  It really, indeed, was history "as we currently understand that it actually happened."

If there was a complaint with that I'd point out that he didn't acknowledge (go figure given his point of view) that the land now known as "Ukraine" has historically been a trade crossroad and that the entire reason the USSR left it as a more-or-less federated territory with sort of its own government was that the roughly four primary factions it had degenerated to by the 1900s all would be perfectly happy to bury the hatchet -- in each other's heads -- at one cross word.

I'll bet most Americans don't know even 10% of it, however, which is enough reason all on its own to listen to the interview.

Now juxtapose that with the report out on Biden.

The DOJ basically "excused" Biden's classified document retention -- even though stating that Biden had deliberately kept same, knowing he had no right to do so and further that he deliberately gave material to other, non-cleared persons, but that they were not going to prosecute because he was feeble-minded enough that a jury would not convict him as they would see him as insufficiently mentally competent to have the required mental capacity to commit the offense!

Now back to Putin -- he laid out that in his opinion it is the corruption of the west, not just in the United States either, that has made up until now a settlement in Ukraine impossible.

And by the way, all the predictions that the sanctions and de-dollar stuff with Russia would kill their economy -- that has simply not worked out.  At all.  I don't know that I'd call Russia "winning" in regard to the Ukraine situation but they're certainly not losing, and as I've pointed out repeatedly Putin, and anyone who follows him if and when he is deposed or dies, will choose nuclear war over ditching Crimea and IMHO for justifiable cause, so if that is in your list of demands from the other side I hope you are ok with the end of civilized society in the west because you're going to get it if you're dumb enough to press the issue that far.  You don't have to like that but you do have to recognize and work within that which is fact.

The other point that Putin put forward, and he's right, is the self-destruction we have created when it comes to the settlement of trade moving away from dollars and toward both Yuan and Rubles.  That this change toward a more-multipolar world in that regard has ruined the capacity of Congress to run deficits without inflation immediately reflecting back into the US and that our Congress has refused to change fiscal policy to conform with this was also clear -- and it looks like, when the inflation point came up, it either went over Tucker's head or that he just decided not to focus in on it (we'll see whether he picks up on it and goes after Congress once back in the US.)  And by the way there was a hidden dig in there -- did you catch it?

Where is this headed?

I don't know.

But thus much I can tell you: One man with his wits around him and another who, by the declaration of the DOJ, is insufficiently mentally powered to know when his son died even within a few years, and who then ratifies that opinion while denying it by claiming that MEXICO borders Gaza in a presser just a few hours later in public, is not how we reach some sort of settlement of the issues between our nations.

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Comrader 657 posts, incept 2010-06-10
2024-02-09 07:36:31

Im not sure, tell me, is it possie to immigrate to Russia?
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2024-02-09 07:36:34

No. Definitely not.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."

Ocdawg 575 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2024-02-09 07:58:04

25th Amendment... NOW



"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."- George Carlin
GO DAWGS!!! Quietly reloading.....
Invisiblesun 884 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2024-02-09 07:58:12

The chief executive of the United States is a senile man, and this is not a joke or a criticism. It is demonstrable, clinical fact.

And yet this senile man will remain chief executive of the United States for the time being because the government of the United States is not a serious institution and no serious people lead it, nor do any serious journalists report on it.

We have gone off the rails on the crazy train. What happens now? Hopefully nothing important but truthfully we Americans do not deserve that good fortune. We will sow what we reap.
Smokeyblonde13 386 posts, incept 2021-10-29
2024-02-09 07:58:26

Watched the whole interview. It was fascinating, even though Putin didn't say anything didn't already know.

Unfortunately, the folks who should watch the interview won't because the think they already know what he'll say, including most of FED GOV.
Jules 1k posts, incept 2009-04-18
2024-02-09 08:00:13

Yes, watched the entire interview. Came away from it with much respect for President Putin. Two hours. No notes. No gaffs. Very much in charge of the entire conversation.
Then watched some of the biden presser clips...say no more.

The entire global financial system is a pawnshop.

If you don't like your life, change it. - Workerbee 5/2/23
Ingar 765 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2024-02-09 08:00:38

America's neocons who run our foreign policy hold the dream of deposing Putin and installing a pliable drunk like Boris Yeltsin was. This would enable them to allow their oligarch buddies to return to Russia from Putin's exiling them to Tel Aviv, London, and New York. Once back in Russia they could resume their unbridled looting of the wealth of Russia and impoverishing its citizens. So what if it costs 500,000 dead Ukrainians to attempt to do so. Putin seems to be an intelligent and rational individual who expresses a desire to promote the interests of Russia and have peace with his neighbors.

Creepy Joe scares me. Wonder what unelected official really has access to the nuclear strike codes that Biden is supposed to have? As our host has said many times, Congress' profligate deficit spending will result in America's economic collapse. Maybe Putin recognizes the danger inherent in that situation where some of our rulers seek to deflect blame for the situation by generating a conflict with Russia.

Carlson's interview has brought out all the deep state mouthpieces to denounce him. Good to know who they are.
Comrader 657 posts, incept 2010-06-10
2024-02-09 08:01:01

Ah fuck, I thought I finally found a country whose leader gave a damn about its people
Tickerguy 202k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2024-02-09 08:02:21

smiley @Comfrader -- surely you jest.... and don't call me Shirley.

"Perhaps you can keep things together and advance playing DIE games.
Or perhaps the truth is that white men w/IQs >= 115 or so built all of it and without us it will collapse."
Veeger 2k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2024-02-09 08:33:49

I'm beginning to understand even better...

Americans are not serious people. That's why we have leaders who are not serious people.

I confess I skipped past the history lesson, (mostly, as stated elsewhere, thanks to this forum I have already heard the important parts), but I did watch the remaining 90 minutes.

It was refreshing to listen in to a serious conversation. I am a little disappointed with Tucker as he tended to still major on the minor. Fortunately, his interviewee was more focused on the what matters.

I remember the Diamond Princess.

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
N9lhm 160 posts, incept 2010-01-28
2024-02-09 08:34:08

They quickest way to get proved wrong is to make a prediction, but I don't think Biden's got another month left in him. The gaffes are coming faster and faster and the press isn't even trying to hide them any more. There's no way he's making it to the election this fall.

Wonder what TPTB have up their sleeve next?
Comrader 657 posts, incept 2010-06-10
2024-02-09 08:34:12

Yeah, I know. But at least he talks a good game Karl!
Boredfree 2k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2024-02-09 08:34:19

Putin really surprised my wife. After the interview finished she turned to me and asked (jokingly) if we shouldn't think about relocating?

My wife is the opposite of political and she doesn't bother her pretty little head thinking about world affairs. She has more pressing concerns; making pounds of tallow, putting up food, keeping our household budget. Important stuff.

I turned on the interview for a couple of minutes to see if it worked while my wife was doing a project. I turned it off and she surpised me by asking what it was, and if we could keep watching?

I told her as much of the backstory as I felt comfortable doing and hit play. We sat fascinated as Putin gave a long detailed history of Russia and Ukraine.

I had to hit pause a few times to help her better understand some of the more significant history, but after we finished she had been moved by both the man and his messege. As I wrote, my lady doesn't do politics, yet spent over two hours listening raptly to Mr Putin. I doubt she had ever willingly listened to a long-winded politician talk about anything.

I think it helped Putin wasn't doing an interview, but having a conversation. There is a difference and Putin used the time well.

Talking afterwords, she asked if we had ever had a president as smart as Putin and I said, "Maybe Nixon?"

Bill Clinton is supposed to be sharp, and he may be, but he is trailer-trash. Couldn't you see Bill in a wife-beater and ratty cutoffs sitting on the porch of a shit trailer in a rundown park drinking Bud and oogling the teenage girls walking home from school?
His cunt wife would be in charge of the HOA...

Putin has class. Our politicians don't, and it was painfully obvious watching him speak.

I'm amazed. Putin had my wife's attention for two hours while talking history and politics. Incredible.

Was this our black swan? Something will have to change now that this is loose.


The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Winesorbet 1k posts, incept 2010-08-23
2024-02-09 08:34:57

RE Biden, I'm convinced he won't be the candidate. However, who they replace him with will be far worse. You can't count on that.

On the inflation thing, apparently Yellen made a comment yesterday that prices don't need to come down because incomes are going up. That's the tell. The plan is to try to inflate the debt away. Good luck everyone. You are FUCKED
Wakesetter 44 posts, incept 2010-06-08
2024-02-09 08:35:07


No 3x5 note cards, or teleprompters to distract the free flow of conversation. The only awkward point was when Tucker was gifted the packet of historical documents from the archives.

I guess, Putin figured in God we trust, all others bring data (for this occasion).

Might be an interesting morning coffee tomorrow, after the planet chews on this interview overnight.

"Parasites cant sustain prosperity." - Doug Casey
Kennington 457 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2024-02-09 08:36:29

Back in the day it was only the left that was interested in relocating to it seems more on the right are considering going even if those thoughts are mostly half-hearted.

Boy O' boy how times have changed.
Gollum 3k posts, incept 2011-07-31
2024-02-09 08:36:35

Concerning Biden's wits, I've lost a child and you never ever forget the date and year. He has moderate to serious dementia and shouldn't be in the position he is in.
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2024-02-09 08:50:37

Was an interesting conversation. Basically just reiterated what has been said all along about Ukraine and why he went in. The history part was fairly interesting as well.
Cmoledor 3k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2024-02-09 08:55:58

Haven't watched but I will do so. All I know is Putin is no slouch. Unlike ALL of our elected shit heads.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Its a big club and we aint in it. But we damn sure pay the dues. Rangeishot
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Aquapura 4k posts, incept 2012-04-19
2024-02-09 08:56:04

I listened to the entire two hours. Plan to relisten again this weekend to catch bits that I initially missed. First take, nothing I was unaware of or surprised by, which by-in-large is attributable to my time spent right here reading what our dear host has written. Thank you Karl for that. Anyone that spends a modest amount of time at the market-ticker is more qualified to work at the state department than the evil bastards that actually do.

Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2024-02-09 08:59:33

They forced Hitler into war. This time will be no different. The CIA is running everything. After the fall of the USSR we all expected things to change but the war machine would have none of that. They must have a boogeyman to keep the machine going. We all are to blame for allowing this to happen. Now we will pay the price.

Until last night Karl was the only person I've heard talk about the sanctions and how it caused inflation here at home. Interesting that no one else is talking about it. It is clear that Putin understands these dynamics and was laughing at the western leaders. Too bad the average American is more concerned with children's games then their future livelihood. Americans are going to shocked at the speed in which things disintegrate. Putin knows and pointed out the speed at which things are happening today compared to the past.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
Ronniemcghee 570 posts, incept 2012-07-28
2024-02-09 09:00:14

A survey of data from investigations of three dementia syndromes (Alzheimer's disease, semantic dementia and progressive nonfluent aphasia) reveals that, more often than not, deterioration of conceptual organization appears associated with lexical impairments, whereas impairments in executive function are associated with sentence- and discourse-level deficits.


Biden isn't going to make it to Dec 2024 as a cogent communicator. His dementia is worsening and this has been apparent since last year to those paying attention ~

BTW. His latest pressor clearly shows worsening emotional regulation when confronted with criticism.

This is well know to be correlated and most likely causally related to decision making - >

Greenacr 996 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2024-02-09 09:08:08

No Fan of Putin, but I don't believe the current Neocon arguments that Russia is not stopping with Ukraine and is on to Western Europe. The war has degraded both sides offensive military capability and exposed weaknesses in Russia's tactics. Russia isn't going any much farther past what it has in Ukraine already.

What is needed is a President who recognizes this fact and isn't having their pockets lined by all this Ukraine aid. This needs to be a negotiated peace.
Ktrosper 6k posts, incept 2010-04-06
2024-02-09 09:09:26

Thanks TG. Pretty impressive, watched it all.
Grew up thinking/being taught that Russia was an 'evil empire' - and it probably was up until the fall of the USSR.. But I, along with most Americans, never thought to reevaluate the situation. That is, until the entire world started singing in unison when the Ukr SMO kicked off that, "PUTIN IS HITLER".

It reminded me too much of the Covid psyop, too coordinated, so I started reading his speeches going back many years. I found that he ain't Hitler, as anyone who'll take the time to view the interview will find out. He's a man who cares deeply for his nation and her people. A man who wants to exist peacefully, cooperatively, but will fight if backed into a corner. A man of character/integrity (caught a glimpse of this - he had the chance to throw several leaders under the bus - but respected the confidential nature of past discussions and didn't reveal their responses "go ask them what they said").

I see why the people of Russia love him, and hope the Russiaphobes in the west, who only seem to know escalation, coercion, manipulation, and force, don't get us all killed pokin the bear..

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