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2023-11-19 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Love Your Neighbor
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And once again I go fishing on a nice, crisp fall day....... here it comes courtesy of Ishmael!    -- Ed


Words and context are important.  Change the context and the same words mean something dramatically different.  This point was driven home on October 29 with some of my least favorite Mass readings.  These are ones often used as a club to beat white Americans with.  Everybody else gets a free pass, but not whitey!

Since the parish is full of Nice Productive People Who Donate Generously, the priests tend to avoid that rhetoric.  Other parishes with a high percentage of Free Shit Army members crank the dial up to 11 on Exodus 22:21.

Thus says the LORD:

"You shall not molest or oppress an alien,

for you were once aliens yourselves in the land of Egypt.

That verse is used to justify America’s open borders and forcing us to feed, clothe, and house invaders.

The theme continued in the gospel reading, Matthew 22:39.

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

There you have it, the biblical instructions for supporting every freeloader on the planet. Cut, dried, done, and dusted.  Shut up and bleed yourselves dry so a bunch of wetbacks can queef out more kids.  After all, if you have a house, your new neighbor should too.  If you have a car, so should they.  The common interpretation of love is providing your neighbor a lifestyle you yourself want to enjoy.

Folks, it’s time to move to Martha’s Vineyard.  Yes, all of us.  We can be the recipients of some fabulous neighborly generosity.  Odd when new Americans attempted that, the local residents objected.  What was the lesson? That when you're rich, loving is only necessary when it’s somebody else’s responsibility?

But wait, Exodus 22 continues with this little gem.  

You shall not wrong any widow or orphan.

If ever you wrong them and they cry out to me,

I will surely hear their cry.

My wrath will flare up, and I will kill you with the sword;

then your own wives will be widows, and your children orphans.

Reread that multiple times until it sinks in that God, and therefore His son, absolutely condones and endorses violence in the right situation. He wants us to reach out to Him when we are wronged. 

Justice will be delivered with a sword.  He can send an angel, or another person to dispense justice on behalf of the innocent.  Kyle Rittenhouse?

God wants justice and dispenses retribution when He deems it necessary.

What about the rest of the gospel?

Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?"

He said to him,

"You shall love the Lord, your God,

with all your heart,

with all your soul,

and with all your mind.

This is the greatest and the first commandment.

God wants us to love him.  God wants us to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Some interpret this as first we love our neighbor. But I argue that we must love ourselves before we have any extra to share.

That means our country must have borders.  Likewise we as individuals have enforced boundaries and standards.

Based on these readings, I propose God wants us to practice legitimate self care. Not a daily breakfast of whiskey ice cream floats, but activities that improve and strengthen us.

For if our bodies are weak and our cup empty, how can we love Him as He commands?

Our physical form is partially the manifestation of what we feed our mind, heart, and soul.  Partially, because we are frail humans.  But what we consume affects our outer form. It’s visible as our health, our mental sharpness and outlook, and how well we live to an honor code.

Our heavenly Father wants us to go to the gym.[ii]  He will always know our hearts, minds, and souls. We owe it to ourselves to follow God’s commandments.  Each of us needs strength discipline provides to overcome clown world.

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Fumei 4k posts, incept 2019-01-08
2023-11-19 09:24:41

Fortunately, Charles Martel's policy towards the Mohammedans was opposite of such foolishness.
Tonythetiger 974 posts, incept 2019-01-27
2023-11-19 09:24:46

The opposite of "Oppressing and molesting" is not "provide for every need, want, or desire".

Anyone who attempts to claim otherwise is a deserving candidate for retribution.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin

You can vote your way into Communism, but you have to
Bagbalm 6k posts, incept 2009-03-19
2023-11-19 09:24:53

A lot of religion is practiced as a white mutiny. The Lord's words are taken as literal when he speaks in metaphors and with preconditions. We are paid the compliment that the instructions assume we're not damn fools. He doesn't tell us thou shalt not dip thine hairdryer in thine bathwater like a corporate lawyer. If the lifestyle you love is self destructive and harmful to your community then you don't even have the needed tools to love your neighbor the way you SHOULD love yourself.
Bluto 2k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2023-11-19 09:32:47

Some of the curses for disobedience to God in Deuteronomy 28 is as follows:

"Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation"

"A people that you do not know will eat what your land and labor produce..."

"The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. "

Is this not happening to America? Those foreign invaders are not a blessing, they are a curse.

"You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end -- which you can never afford to lose -- with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever
Ocdawg 527 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-11-19 09:33:56

Ishmael again heaves serious fish

God wants justice and dispenses retribution when He deems it necessary.

There are so many contradictions Ishmael points to in just this one phrase that adhering to this guarantees Clown World will thrive and flourish

29 in a row, but the quest for the Three-peat ends...

Raven 16k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-11-19 10:12:57

Well written, compliments.

Mission Complete
Andyk 153 posts, incept 2008-09-21
2023-11-19 11:23:43

Rather hard for me to "Love Your Neighbor", when he leaves his barking dogs out, and disturbs the peace of a formerly quiet Sunday morning.
Evergreen 383 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-11-19 11:23:49

Are you a moocher, taking from others without return? No, you work for your earnings, whether it the fruit of or the compensation for your labor.

Thus, your "neighbor" can suck it up and do the same. Charity faucet clamped in O-F-F position.

Are you a glutton? No, you stay modest, savor the good stuff, and go low-carb.

Thus, your "neighbor" can throttle his intake accordingly. Suddenly, calories are no longer in short supply.

Gotta read these passages the way they were intended.
Veeger 1k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-11-19 11:24:08

Funny thing when those who don't want, don't like, won't listen to God, pull out their holy, sanctimonious, clucking and finger wagging about how 'someone' else isn't 'doing it right'....

Sheesh, gimme a break!

(To be clear, I'm not referring to Ishmael, just those same people he's talking about...)

I remember the Diamond Princess.

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Jfenello 82 posts, incept 2010-01-19
2023-11-19 11:24:19

Just like with Bush's war against Iraq, Christians will enable this one by blindly following their religious leaders - not realizing that their religion has been hijacked by an eschatology that prioritizes Old Testament writings over the ministry of Christ.

Jay Fenello
Chemman 437 posts, incept 2021-05-03
2023-11-19 11:54:27

"Don't oppress the stranger . . ."

There is more to that. Look at Lev. 24:22; "There shall be only one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.

The stranger was to abandon their culture and adopt Jewish culture both legal and religious. That is, in Ruth's words "your people will be my people, your God will be my God."

The idea that not oppressing means we should give them freebies 2 Thessalonians 3 says otherwise:
"10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11 For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. 12 Now we command and exhort such persons in the Lord Jesus Christ to work peacefully and eat their own bread.

We might have to teach them to work but when they learn how the are to work with their own hands and not steal from others.

Priests and Pastors that teach bullcrap like you've shown are practicing Eisegesis (reading into) instead of Exegesis (reading out) of the Bible. When you find that is happening consistently run don't walk to the nearest exit.
Neal 420 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-11-19 12:05:45

Words and context have meaning? You mean like the woke twats chanting From the River to the Sea Palestine shall be free doesnt mean peace and democracy as they claim? Their purple haired queer heads will be the first ones decapitated if Hamas achieves all its stated goals.
We need to sell our garment to buy a sword not to defend the Jews but to defeat the evil that the Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood and all the other hydra heads that will kill all of us who wont bow down to them.
Baltgayveteran 266 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2023-11-19 12:50:32

@Neal: "...We need to sell our garment to buy a sword not to defend the Jews but to defeat the evil that the Hamas, ISIS, Hezbollah, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood and all the other hydra heads that will kill all of us who wont bow down to them."

OR don't invade Muslim nations like Syria, Libya, etc. Don't want to get stung by a hornet? Don't take a stick to the hornet nest.
Bluto 2k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2023-11-19 12:50:43

For those so-called "Christians" who want to ignore the Old Testament, the New Testament clearly says:

"do not give the devil a foothold." Ephesians 4:27

Many of the illegals are demonic and bringing all manner of problems with them.

"You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end -- which you can never afford to lose -- with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever
Alex567 241 posts, incept 2008-09-18
2023-11-19 13:24:23

Bret Weinstein once remarked that religion was like a force on society, one which addressed the challenges necessary for a society comprised of individuals to overcome their own biological self interest and thrive. Those challenges could not be (or have not been?) entirely addressed through evolutionary pressure and DNA alone. If we examine civilization, the question of whether religion was a necessary component for success is an interesting one. Religion appears to address the question of morality in absolute terms, ie do this because god wants it done. However, I have to question the wisdom in having a civilization with a model of morality that has a presupposition built in and is thus vulnerable to scrutiny by skeptics. You may get some people to agree and even believe, or at least adhere, but unless you kill all the skeptics, you risk having that system of morality overturned eventually. Uniformity, on some level, appears to be beneficial when groups of individuals gather.

I know that support for the concept of the fourth turning is mixed on tickerforum, but since Ishmael has written about it before, mentioning it seems relevant. Since during a fourth turning, faith in institutions reaches a low and old systems are replaced with new ones, why would religion be exempt? Can a new system of universal morality be established, one which can withstand rigorous scrutiny? Or is the religion fudge factor a necessary component?

Bzelbob 500 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-11-19 19:27:41

Isn't the very *first* lesson in Genesis basically about property rights and boundaries?

Sign on one particular tree in the garden:

Forget what that snake told you.
Not kidding people.
You WILL be sorry.
- The Lord

"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Veeger 1k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-11-19 19:28:07


Oh, sure, perhaps a 'new system of universal morality ' could be established. In fact, it's already being established. The problem is that it can't/won't withstand the aforementioned 'rigorous scrutiny'...

The other 'problem' is that most of us here on TF are atheists in this 'new religion', so there's that...

I remember the Diamond Princess.

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Boredfree 2k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-11-19 19:28:56

Spirituality is an individual experience.

Morality could be taught simply as think of how the consequences of your actions will positively or negatively affect those around you and even those yet to be born.

This is too much thinking for a population raised on television problems and television solutions. Easier for most to be told they can't do a thing because a magical being will make your eternity hell.

The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Ronniemcghee 525 posts, incept 2012-07-28
2023-11-19 19:29:10

People blame things on God that they decide themselves.


Thus says the LORD of hosts, I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Samuel 15:23 ESV)

Question: Why did god tell Saul to destroy the amalekites?
Answer: God didn't. Yahweh did.


1 Samuel 15:22-23 Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,

The creator of existence and reality (God) has no need for burnt offerings from some old man in a podunk part of this wayward celestial rock thousands of years ago. But Yahweh enjoyed barbecue and tribute and fidelity to compliance.


If Christianity remained a relevant religion, Washington DC would have been marched upon and destroyed decades ago.

Finally, my belief in the veracity of the old testament has always been marred by the fact the the holy books conferring special chosen one privilege were written by the same said chosen ones.

I believe in God. I don't believe in god.

You don't need the old testament to know that invaders don't have your best interest at heart. Different religions often don't want you associating with outsiders. But I've got your back if you understand that the evil of men is to be fought against far more vigorously than the evil of not attending church on Sunday.

However, we don't have each others backs anymore. We aborgted resistance.

Bouchart 6 posts, incept 2022-09-02
2023-11-19 19:30:09

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

1 Timothy 5:8
Tritumi 2k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-11-19 19:30:23

Weighing in, briefly, 4th Turning is but one cycle, theorized as very appropriately describing American history and as America was early adopter of mass modernity, now a cycle meshing out (or threshing out, so to speak), if not globally, across a much wider field.

Another cycle is well anticipated by Thomas Kuhn, and it certainly is clear that the existing paradigm in physics, having been initially established nearly 100 years ago now, is at long last nearing breakthroughs into practical applications and, more importantly, consciousness. That consciousness is what will save us as we go through the absolute hell and insanity that the existing paradigm intends to, and is now very close to, imposing.

The point for religion is how to ride this transformation. Historically, that is to say, poorly, and the Christian churches are rolling over for the existing paradigm just as they did for Hitler.
Margbp 251 posts, incept 2021-12-02
2023-11-19 20:10:43

I believe implicit in love your neighbor as your self is that you love yourself, act, behave, treat yourself in the manner appropriate to one made in the image & likeness of God. Then you treat others similarly.

Catholics describe "love" as willing the good of another. To love oneself is to will the good of yourself. That means choosing the good appropriate for yourself as one made in the image & likeness of God. Willing the good isn't always easy. It's not rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes, a lot of times, it's hard. It means keeping well physically, emotionally, mentally & spiritually.

Also, family are your neighbors, too. It's not only the nameless, faceless people you see online.

Maybe start with the family closest to you and work out from there.

I don't believe it means let your neighbor abuse your good will. Jesus did tell the apostles to shake the dust of the recalcitrant from their feet.

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his desires depend upon his not understanding it.
~Upton Sinclair slightly paraphrased
Ugrev 1k posts, incept 2010-03-08
2023-11-19 22:14:02

One can still love his neighbor and have a border in between. A border does not represent hatred, it represents a mutual respect. It's not a one way street. The neighbor must not intend to defraud his own neighbor, either.

These clowns calling themselves Godly while disguised in Robe snd Cloth forget that the tapestry ripped from top to bottom upon jesus' last words. God dismantled, at this moment, the power structure of religion made by men in which to speak with God. These men are no more worthy of worship than you are.

The Lord speaks of Lands in the Bible. If there was only one land, he wouldn't have had to discern between the regions.

God was all in on borders.

Irregular Warfare is now in play
78rpm 48 posts, incept 2023-08-07
2023-11-20 06:25:12

I'm watching a documentary about Bikini Atoll atomic tests, and the decades of human testing done since.

I'm sure plenty of widows and orphans have screamed. Maybe because they are "savages" Jesus can't hear them.

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