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2023-09-05 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Would You Like A Side Order of Dysentery?
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What sort of insanity is this?

"We know very well we cannot litigate our way or arrest our way out of the problem, but our police need some teeth to start dealing with the squatting," Knell told the outlet. "They’re just causing so many problems."

You can't "litigate or arrest" your way out of squatting and third-world human waste?

That's a lie.

Indeed you'll do exactly that (arrest!) someone who takes their camper, sits on a piece of land within your jurisdiction and runs the waste hose out onto open ground.  Justly so too, I might add.

The difference between a modern society's health problems and those of the 1600s and 1700s, indeed all the way through the 1800s, were largely about sanitation.

We don't allow someone to use a chamber pot and toss it on the curb in the morning rather than pay their water and sewer bill, or have a permitted septic system and well, for this very reason.  Diseases such as dysentery and cholera were all about sanitation, or rather the lack thereof.

"Squatting" is a term for adverse possession where there's no forcible entry.  If you walk onto someone's vacant land, with no signage and no fence, then camp on it without despoiling where you are, you're "squatting."

What these people did wasn't "squatting" -- it was burglary, which is a criminal felony.  In addition in virtually every case felony destruction or conversion of said property also is a separate and distinct subsequent offense.  The "squatting" can't happen without first committing the felony; this is like saying that someone raping a corpse has merely committed abuse of a corpse while ignoring the murder they committed first to create the corpse.

"Burglary" is the act of entry with the intent to commit a crime inside, including but certainly not limited to the despoilation of the place or its contents.  It is a crime to reside in someone else's home without permission or to commit waste or theft upon the contents.  No physical damage is required either; lifting a closed window is sufficient, even if it isn't locked.

Many states have separated the crime of "breaking and entering", restricting it to those places that are not typically occupied.  A commercial or residential structure that has as part of its essential purpose occupation renders the entry burglary and a felony.  All of these offenses carry prison terms, often of five to ten years or more.

"There’s a certain part of the homeless population, whether substance abuse or mental illness, that is getting them to where they don’t want to conform to society’s rules," Knell told the outlet. "When they do that, they’re not allowed to go in the shelter, which means they’re just out and about in our community raising hell.

This has been true forever.  In the 1990s there were homeless living on Lower Wacker Drive in Chicago, especially in winter months.  It was a bid to avoid freezing to death; the street has three levels in many areas and the bottom one has air vents that the various high-rises exhaust air through.  Chicago sees negative temperatures in the winter on a fairly regular basis and with the wind its even worse, of course; being below grade and having some above-freezing air exhausted is a pretty dramatic difference, literally that between living and not.

The city also had homeless shelters but you can't bring booze, drugs or weapons in them, nor can you be wild-eyed crazy and abusive toward the other people in there. A large percentage of the homeless are homeless because they're wild-eyed crazy and either unwilling or incapable of spending the night or day in a place without a bottle, shooting up or being verbally (or physically) abusive to others in their presence.  We decided back in the 1980s (thanks Reagan!) to close the various state nuthouses in the general case with no plan to deal with those who were certifiable or seriously drug and alcohol-addled other than leaving them alone.

Ok, fine, if that's the choice -- right up until they crap on the streets or break into property owned by someone else.

One is a serious public health hazard and the other a felony.

Can we provide for a place for homeless people to go take a dump?  Probably.  But if someone abuses the privilege of said place to do so and either degrades or destroys it then we have to treat that as a felony offense and arrest them, throwing them in prison because if we don't then we are inviting the return of literal medieval disease outbreaks!

We don't need new laws.

We need enforcement of existing laws, specifically those against burglary and it is simple enough for there to be a presumption that if someone is living in filth with no water, sewer and electrical service in a place that they got there by burglary which is a criminal felony because no landlord is going to knowingly permit that situation to exist.

Throwing anyone "squatting" in prison unless the owner of said property confirms the person there is in fact a valid tenant with the very-reasonable presumption that if the place is in disarray or utilities are not functional that said person broke in and you've got an answer -- don't you?  The reasonable presumption is that they committed burglary and that's a criminal felony carrying years in prison so start treating that event as what it is.


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Cmoledor 2k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-09-05 07:46:08

Civilization was nice. Someone in here says that quite a bit. I agree

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Mikeyjm2 174 posts, incept 2011-10-20
2023-09-05 07:46:08

We don't need new laws.

We need enforcement of existing laws

This alone could solve a multitude of the problems we face, if we could find the will to do the enforcement part.
Ocdawg 495 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-09-05 07:46:08

You hit the nail on the head Karl

ACCOUNTABILITY- asking someone to enforce laws, protect citizens ie actually DEAL with a problem.

Where does that happen in the US anymore???


The quest for the Three-peat begins...

Wayiwalk 962 posts, incept 2016-11-09
2023-09-05 07:46:08

The handyman interviewed in the news piece is a great example of interupting someone's OODA.

These squatters rights stories are disturbing. Now that the attack on the Bill of Rights is full on, why not one on property rights at the most basic level..

The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Tritumi 2k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-09-05 08:27:34

I saw this story and said to myself, Wyoming for fuck's sake.
Quantum 947 posts, incept 2021-05-18
2023-09-05 08:27:44

In Atlanta (on a smaller scale) this has been happening, too. Even with judgements, the enforcement gets slow-walked for months. If there's a framework to fix it and it doesn't get fixed, it's because someone prefers that outcome.



Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
Nelstomlinson 962 posts, incept 2011-12-21
2023-09-05 08:53:47

If there's a framework to fix it and it doesn't get fixed, it's because someone prefers that outcome.

Yep. None of this is accidental. We know how to maintain civilization, and the elites are deliberately doing the opposite.
Quik49 15k posts, incept 2007-12-11
2023-09-05 08:53:57

If one lets loose the black tank of a trailer anywhere but into a sewer system guess what happens...yeah, that gets enforced if caught. Small loads should be treated the same way.

2 + 2 =5
Greenacr 897 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2023-09-05 09:01:44

Not only are there Squatters like that described in the article, there are hundreds of news stories where Squatters when confronted are producing a fake lease which further impedes enforcement action. Numerous stories of folks going on vacation or back to a second home and finding squatters in their residences. When police are called the squatter shows a lease and the police then cop out then say it's a civil matter. The courts then use this as a reason not to take action.

I don't understand why owners don't reoccupy their premises when the squatters temporarily leave the homes. That would be my first course of action. Seems like possession is 9 tenths of the law.

Lots of discussion in Karl's last ticker about living in a community of like-minded people. I live in one of those and whenever the wife and I take an extended trip we let them know we are gone, they have our contact numbers, and the house is left on alarm. If someone breaks in, the Sheriff dispatches immediately and I can have one of my children on site within hours. Even for neighbors I don't really care for I will look out for suspicious activity as once it takes hold this cancer can affect all. I believe most where I live in the country feel the same way.
Ndp 168 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2023-09-05 09:02:21

"We can't just..." "There's nothing we can do about..." "It's not realistic to..."

Statements like this can always be read as, "I know exactly what I need to do, but I don't want to do it."

"It's not realistic to just eat better and exercise. I can't just stop eating fast food and drinking sodas."

"There's simply nothing I can do about all this debt I'm in. Have you seen how much a new Tesla costs? And restaurant prices are through the roof. Even my McDonald's value meal is 9 bucks now."
Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-09-05 09:02:27

If LEO refuses to deal with this problem then it's up to the regular folk to fix the mess, which might get messy.

Defunding law enforcement would be a prudent approach by the public. Why pay taxes to support an organization which mostly harass the local tax payer? Who needs cops when they rarely are there when you really need one?

Does the average person benefit from their police force? Think about the potential cost to the community if a LEO kills a protected minority. Better to have vigilantes and jury nullification than risk the financial cost of a LEO lawsuit.

The people need to be willing to take their land back regardless of any lawfare bullshit. A community somewhere in America needs to go full Randy Weaver against the state and Feds and forcibly eject the freeloaders regardless of the political consequences. Others would notice and the fun begins.

I'm curious to know how many people have lived in the same place for more than 10 years? Part of our problem is the transient nature of our population. If you don't like the place where you're living it is relatively easy to move unlike Europe where the population has occupied the land for hundreds of years.

I suppose the problem is created by the lack of community and the ease which people can change a local for the worst. They then move somewhere new, complaining about all the bad changes they helped create. Easier to move than to deal with the problems, right?

The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Bagbalm 6k posts, incept 2009-03-19
2023-09-05 09:02:36

Another unintended consequence of virtue signaling by banning plastic shopping bags was that quite a few of the homeless used to crap in them when they were free and abundant. Now they just lean against a building or squat on the sidewalk. Every little thing the hyper-green do that is so righteous in their eyes backfires on them.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-09-05 09:04:58

@Greenacr -
When police are called the squatter shows a lease and the police then cop out then say it's a civil matter. The courts then use this as a reason not to take action.

If the cops tried that on me I'd burn every single fucking pig's house to the ground. They already actively conspired with a felon to steal my house and did it under color of authority of the law so up theirs goes in smoke and I'd stand guard while doing it so if their wife tries to get out she gets shot in the knees and burns to death in there.

You want to know how many times someone has to do that before ALL that bullshit stops? ONCE.

Well, I'd be the once. And yeah, they'd give me life in prison or the needle for doing it, but I don't give a fuck. If the government declares the cops to be PIGS then I'm holding a fucking PIG ROAST right here and now.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."
Aquapura 4k posts, incept 2012-04-19
2023-09-05 09:33:05

I'm curious how the bums got to Casper. Did Denver give a bunch of them one way tickets to Wyoming? Casper is an isolated place and pretty inhospitable climate wise. You don't just hike in there, and I have a hard time believing they are all locals that are down on their luck.

Now I would've expected better from the Cowboy state, to go in and take care of business, but I guess not. They could make them hike out of town where they'd likely die of exposure, but since that's inhumane, I'd be chartering a fleet of busses and dropping every last one of them in the center of campus down in Boulder. Small price to clean up your town.
Flappingeagle 5k posts, incept 2011-04-14
2023-09-05 09:33:14

But, But, But, But, we can't use any resources to solve this problem. We need those resources, plus all we can steal via civil asset forfeiture to fight the drug war.

Drug War FTW!

/sarc off


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S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
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Wayiwalk 962 posts, incept 2016-11-09
2023-09-05 09:33:27

I'd show up inside my own house with a lease and may whatever happens be mayhem.

The squaters count on you being compliant.

Tit for tat, bigly.

The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Andrew 238 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2023-09-05 09:33:32

Foreclosed motel...
You'd think the authorities were aware of this, and then saw the parade of traffic going in and out.

As Cmoledor said above, civilization was nice.
I think we're going to miss it as it disappears.
"Gradually...then suddenly..."
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-09-05 09:36:07

Of course they did @Andrew.

"I have qualified immunity!" <<- Cops, the mayor, etc.

"I'll see your qualified immunity and raise you one cup of gasoline and a pack of matches!" <<-- Any random citizen

Oh nooos, they'd arrest you! Sure they would, but their house is still a smoking hole and their wife is still BBQd with her knees cracked into two pieces with a baseball bat laying across the threshold. And the NEXT time they thought about claiming "qualified immunity" they'd recall that visage -- and that it would probably happen again.

$500 says they arrest the guy and throw his ass in prison for burglary the second time, and that's the end of the problem.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."

Generalee 225 posts, incept 2011-04-30
2023-09-05 10:02:31

Well if the banksters don't care, just quit claim it to head honcho. I've seen it before after 2008 where developers walk away. Banks hold hoping to screw the next developer and public suffers from sediment runoff, vagrants and who knows tearing stuff up. Banks even lurk and buy property at tax auction cause they didn't pay them while holding it as the developer's collateral. There is no justice for the money changers ya know.
78rpm 21 posts, incept 2023-08-07
2023-09-05 10:02:44

Mom paid $15,000 for a deck replacement due to Hurricane Ian. The contractor lied about a license and about filing permits. That's a couple felonies that nobody in Florida (AG, Sherrifs, anybody) cares about. In several States. Shoplifting videos are epic. Law seems broken.

Charles Bronson Death Wish style response seems extreme but maybe there is some disagreement.
Tickerguy 198k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-09-05 10:07:26

Yep @78rpm I've written plenty of articles about that sort of corruption in Florida. Hell, when I had my dock put in the electrician who wired it DID IT WRONG and the county "inspector" obvious did not get out of his truck, remove the panelboard cover AND LOOK AT THE JOB.

I did, I saw it, I corrected it since it was MY ass that was going to be at risk of being FRIED out there on said dock (gee, water and electricity get along real well you know!) and then called the county and raised an unbelievable amount of HELL. The "inspector" finally ADMITTED to me he never looked "because he knew this electrical company and they were good."

I told him if I ever saw a county building inspector official on my property again he'd be going home in one of the Waste Management garbage bins in pieces.

Saw several other instances of that sort of shit in Florida over the years as well. They simply didn't give a FUCK about any of it.

SOME of the crazy was not all that big of a deal but wrong is wrong, period. However, SOME OF IT, like not bothering with the hurricane straps on the roof decking, is an entirely different thing.

"Anyone wearing a mask will be presumed to be intending armed robbery and immediately shot in the face. Govern yourself accordingly."

Spence 5k posts, incept 2009-09-11
2023-09-05 10:10:00

There is a guy who found a good solution to getting rid of squatters. He has the owner write him a lease, and then he moves in with the squatters and is generally a pain in the ass and they eventually move out.


If a squatter initially refuses to leave or can't be removed immediately because of legal constraints, Shelton said he would have the homeowner write up a lease so he can move into the house with the squatter.

"I can basically become a tenant and live with them until they choose to leave on their own," he said. "Go in and sit on the couch and open the fridge and basically be like, 'I don't know what you're doing, but this is my home now.'"

"The adrenaline kicks in, and I just go in, and I just feel comfortable, and I just make it happen," Shelton continued. "They're not only surprised, they don't know how to react."

He said he likes to install Ring cameras in every room and tell the squatters they're on a reality show.

"People kind of want to get away as fast as possible, and they don't want to be seen," Shelton said.

If a squatter leaves the home briefly, Shelton said he acts quickly to secure the home.
Radiosity 1k posts, incept 2009-03-05
2023-09-05 10:10:06

@78rpm - Deathwish is the BASELINE for what you need to do to get your society back. It just escalates from there.

(Also, vinyl fan, by any chance?)

So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Jdough 268 posts, incept 2012-05-04
2023-09-05 10:28:50

They only care about enforcing the law against people they can shake money out of, the hobos don't have any, and putting them in jail would cost the gov even more, so they don't do anything and make it the citizens problem. But don't you dare have two beers and then get pulled over on the way home, you'll be out $10k easy by the time it's all said and done.

I also think TPTB like having the hobos everywhere, it's a visible gulag and a reminder of where you will be if you stop working or get fired for uttering a wrong think.

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