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Whossane 278 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2023-05-23 10:57:29

So, who were the real targets of this honey trap? It can't just be a few wealthy businessmen and a former president whose predilection for young women was already well known.

Lewfalo 61 posts, incept 2023-03-09
2023-05-23 10:57:52

So is a dead man's switch really something only in the movies? Epstein, Assange(might as well be dead), McAfee...Did they ever have the goods, yes or no?

According to Whitney Webb the real handlers of Epstein and Maxwell is the guy that owned Victoria's Secret, Les Wexner.
Spence 5k posts, incept 2009-09-11
2023-05-23 10:58:12

Eric Weinstein did a video a few years ago on Jeffrey Epstein. He met him back in 2003 or so, and is convinced Epstein was an Intelligence resource. Quite an intriguing video.

At 8:20 is an introduction, then around 15 minutes he gets into Epstein, who he thinks is an "intelligence community construct".

Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2023-05-23 11:09:05

So, who were the real targets of this honey trap? It can't just be a few wealthy businessmen and a former president whose predilection for young women was already well known.

What is also conclusive is that all of the 535 members of Congress and the entire governmental leadership in DC are under control. Those few they have nothing on are threatened. It's a world wide operation.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
Whossane 278 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2023-05-23 12:16:53

I wonder what exactly Clinton's role was. Was he just a playboy ex president looking to score some underage girls or was he actually an asset to whomever was running the operation? He got very wealthy via the Clinton Foundation/Global Initiative at the same time that Epstein did.
Ingar 541 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2023-05-23 12:17:05

@Joancrawford don't go banging your head on the Whining Wall wondering about what other country might be involved in nefarious activities. It's the Scots-Irish of course.

When I was in school in Washington, AC/DC I needed a part time job to pay the rent and buy store brand tuna to eat. A friend suggested one as a guest escort at the CIA building. We took an aptitude test and filled out a questionnaire at a recruiting session. One of the questions was have you ever used illegal drugs. The CIA personnel guy pointed out that question and said that in that day and time they realized that a lot of people had tried drugs and they could write the type, number of occasions, and with whom the drugs had been used. Anyone who admitted such use and gave details set themselves and anyone they named up for potential blackmail. The CIA would give a polygraph to anyone they considered hiring. I didn't pursue the job any further.

A friend told me years ago that anyone who has a national office has something in their background that their sponsors can use to control them. Why invest money on a campaign for office if you can't control the candidate? I suspect that Black Jesus was/is owned by the CIA. Whatever records he had that were sealed are likely to contain material that could be used to control him.

How likely is it that if Epstein skated on a criminal charge in Florida that the IRS was given instructions to look the other way regarding his wealth and income? Wonder what he thought when he realized that his usefulness had ended?

America's security agencies involvement in controlling the government needs to end if we are ever to be free again.
Edwardteach 362 posts, incept 2021-05-01
2023-05-23 12:18:15

"So, who were the real targets of this honey trap?"

Nouveau billionaires who thought that their wealth meant that they didn't have to dance to the tune played by the puppeteers, and so they needed to be brought to heel.

Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin command here.
Finzer_52 182 posts, incept 2010-06-27
2023-05-23 12:18:20

It's also been reported that Ghislaine Maxwell has a license to pilot submersible vehicles. Since airplanes have to maintain flight logs, is there an equivalent for private submarines? Seems it would be trivial for our three letter agencies to determine as fact, if Maxwell did in fact have such a license. Then follow that thread to see where it leads.

That which flourishes can only do so within a conducive environment - (me)
Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2023-05-23 12:18:37


Many of Dean Koontz's novels seem prophetic -- Dark Rivers of the Heart, for example, in 1994, featured "eye in the sky" government surveillance -- but the Jane Hawk pentalogy beats them all. Forced injections, mind control, an utterly evil FBI, a plutocratic elite allied with the national-security deep state, ubiquitous Big Tech/government surveillance, sex trafficking, an epidemic of suicides....

The fictional details differ from real life, but the recurring themes are all creepily familiar.

I read each book in the series as soon as it came out, in 2017-19. Not long after, when the vaxx mandates started, I was getting such powerful deja vu flashbacks to the Jane Hawk series that I wondered if Koontz actually does know an insider or two in the deep-state apparatus.

I'm disappointed that more people have not read this book series. It's some of Koontz's best work. It had an extremely powerful effect on me. Especially the whole forced-injection theme, which was a huge element of the story. Indeed, if a Venn diagram could be made of those who read this series before 2020 and those who submitted to the vaxx, I'd be willing to bet that the intersection/overlap of those two groups would be vanishingly small if not nil.

Lewfalo 61 posts, incept 2023-03-09
2023-05-23 12:49:17


Clinton was a major player from the beginning. Groomed and went to Oxford, Governor of Arkansas in the 1980s, which at that time was the drug running hub for the CIA.

Who knows how they pick these people in college when they aren't already part of the nepotism club, or 'old' American money like the Bushes. Rumor is that Obama's mother was CIA, for instance.
Andrew 195 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2023-05-23 12:49:23

@Heartlander that's on my list but I hadn't got to it yet.
Got soooooo many books on the "to read" pile that I own.
I have heard it's good though.
Dark Rivers of the Heart was a terrifying read and it came out how long ago?
Sadly my copy got lent out but I read it half a dozen times first at least.
Realist 213 posts, incept 2009-07-14
2023-05-23 12:49:26

So, is the government going to investigate itself since the government itself is responsible for criminal investigations? If the government isnt going to do it, what entity will investigate and prosecute?

Whenever law ends, tyranny begins -- John Locke, English Philosopher

The United States is a banana republic
Rollformer 2k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-05-23 13:45:37

The way Epstein made is money is quite simple. It is understood that he ran a hedge fund, and those funds until recently charged 2% of assets under management plus 20% of the profits.

Epstein gets a rich guy on his plane or island, videotapes them having sex with child/teen/man/person-other-than-wife, and asks for some money to manage. Epstein invests said funds in S&P Index funds, and gets paid. You need no investment management overhead to do this.

Simple blackmail scheme, that is all.
Andrew 195 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2023-05-23 14:04:56

@Rollformer that Epstein guy managed Les Wexner's money, but only for a while and he already apparently had some.
That doesn't explain all of his money, or the island.
I'm reminded of "LA Confidential" the film (also I hear a book but I never read it) where a local porn producer has photos taken of politicians and his hookers to use as leverage.

Danny DeVito as the tabloid reporter is hilariously slimy.
"Off the record, on the QT, and very Hush Hush."
Metalqueen 315 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-05-23 14:05:13

Like I really believe Bill Gates' horrible secret was an extramarital affair with an adult woman. Right...smiley Never mind that lost down the memory hole was the fact that a "tech" was busted for kiddie porn at his estate years ago (can you say patsy? I know you can!) smiley

I will celebrate Gates' death with some seriously expensive alcohol. I solemnly hope it is as painful as possible. Dropped alive in a vat of acid ought to do it. Or fed to a pit of ravenous alligators (or pigs) Hannibal style. smiley

As for Epstein he was so obviously CIA/Mossad/MI6 (likely all of the above) and was eliminated because he was no longer useful. There are many others like him out there who have not been exposed.

Make smiley building great again!
Sonoran_monk 3k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2023-05-23 14:06:08

Whether she was playing chess or bridge, she certainly played Bill. What did she get out of it? She certainly wasn't all hot and bothered to get a piece of that doughy wrinkly sperg.

With the amount of money and violence available to these government types plata o plomo isn't just a slogan for the South American drug cartels.

National security means the security of the state. They think they are important above all else. Since the state is a cancer it will consume all available resources without concern if it kills the host.
Frat 13k posts, incept 2009-07-15
2023-05-23 14:37:42

Most of this all assumes that Epstein is, in fact, dead.

I posit that it is NOT Tin to suggest he is still alive with all of the connections to internal and external intelligence that he had. His usefulness in that role might have ended, but maybe not his participation overall.

Then again, those same folks could easily have wanted him dead AND were some of the only ones who could have gotten away with "He killed himself on suicide watch while the camera just happened to be turned off. Odd, eh?" line.

It all stinks to high heaven but short of taking physical measures (since the general strike doesn't have general support)... we are stuck with the status quo and it's getting worse.

Which... seems to be the point of Karl's missive. We deserve the pile of shit we are currently covered in and if no one else is going to bother to stop it, why should he? I cannot argue that kind of logic but can wish we all had more collective testicular and ovarian fortitude.

We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
Ndp 148 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2023-05-23 18:24:36

The Jane Hawk series had a profound effect on me as well. The story was entertaining, but I read each page with an almost palpable dread. Something about it just rang true despite some of the more fantastical elements. Then 2020 came along.

That work of fiction combined with Karl's research and writing were the two biggest factors in my refusal to get the shot or allow any of my family to do so.

When my employer threatened get jabbed or lose your job. When I was told i couldn't travel or attend a concert. When I was told we would have a winter of death. My rational brain focused on the studies, research, and reasoning our host here brought to light. My lizard brain just kept thinking of the Jane Hawk series. It was an effective combo.
Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2023-05-23 18:24:46

but can wish we all had more collective testicular and ovarian fortitude.

Even that phrasing makes me sad, since we now know that the lipid nanoparticles in the Jabs-From-Hell concentrate overwhelmingly in the ovaries. And the spike protein being mass-produced in the cells of jabbed people targets organs with lots of ACE2 receptors, including significantly the testes.
Metalqueen 315 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-05-23 18:24:56


If you really want to lose some sleep at night take a dive into this seriessmiley:

There are 12 volumes now, plus 2 prequels. They read like a horrific documentary of the future. It's like 1984 on steroids. Highly recommended.

Make smiley building great again!
Andrew 195 posts, incept 2014-09-24
2023-05-23 18:25:00

Oh, speaking of "blackmail".
I mean, if you're into the "online pr0n" that's on you...
But if you thought the "free site" didn't have strings attached, well.
I don't think I posted it here before, but if I did it deserves a repeat.

"Has anyone been following this PornHub acquisition story?"
"...Whoever owns this website will not only have a direct influence over the state of sex trafficking globally but will also hold the emails, credit card numbers, and most private browsing habits of tens of millions of people. So, this deal matters beyond mere intellectual curiosity."
Lewfalo 61 posts, incept 2023-03-09
2023-05-23 18:25:18


Seeing your post about Gates reminded me of when he got 3 pies in the face, in succession while walking into a public hearing in 1998. Think about that...the richest man in the world, 3 pies in the face by 3 separate strangers within seconds.

That itself reminded me of what Michael Corleone said to Tom in GF2, when Tom said that Hyman Roth was untouchable. It would be like trying to get to the President, Tom said.

Just watch how Michael answered that, and think about the pies given to Billy. These people are never invincible, never in history actually, not one.

They all eat food prepared by others, get chauffered around by others, jets serviced by others, etc. They're simply psychopaths with a lot of hubris and money, that's it.
Skybluepink 898 posts, incept 2007-10-20
2023-05-23 18:25:24

With AI and deep fakes getting so good, at a point wouldn't that make all of the blackmail material worthless? Once the public sees enough faked pictures or videos, they won't know what's real or fake anymore.
Tappedout 279 posts, incept 2020-09-21
2023-05-23 18:25:27

"Makes you wonder how epstein lost his usefulness enough to end up in jail and Arkancided? He get dirt on the wrong person?"

Perhaps the risk/benefit scale tipped too much toward risk. Maybe hubris. Maybe he had gotten too full of himself, thought he was untouchable, and pushed his boundaries too far.

Maybe someone he had no power over realized what he was accomplishing through blackmail that was harming them. Maybe someone he was blackmailing figured out his dead man switch/deactivated his threat and smashed him like a bug.

We will sooner find out the details of 11/22/63.......
Raven 13k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-05-23 18:25:33

My theory on why this got going is a like Rollformer says that Epstein had an income generating activity which also gave him access to very wealthy through networking.

He also had a personal preference sexually, namely young girls. His initial interest was demonstrated through his employment in a school for them.

He is living the life and perhaps sets up other more modest private places to do his thing, and through his network attracts others so inclined. There are clubs of guys which get into certain things of this nature. They find each other rather easily.

After a while some rich guys have him setup other locations and later the main location, the island, for their club with their funding.

When people get into some off-color stuff and have a lot of freedom through resources, they get kind of blinded to the implications and can sometimes take on a mentality that it is normal, routine and everyday affair. The mind does this to people.

Finding young women to participate is not that difficult and has occurred in other risque venues for decades. There is a way that it happens, so mundane as to give one chills, thus i will not describe it. Plus, will not make it easier for someone. However, anyone who has seen the scene in a big city with modeling, university, clubs, agents, broke girls and savvy girls and their networks and indiscretions, i think that you get the idea, knows generally how it happens.

The sad, evil part of this is how mundane it truly might be in its origins and ultimate form.

This parallels how the classic Playboy lifestyle and clubs evolved and then got a little too far off the reservation. I personally think that this crowd was setting up their own Playboy resort of their own design and then started taking it too far without the safeties which the original Playboy lifestyle clubs had in their early days due to the public and open nature of their business model. This thing of Epstein and Co was private and exclusive from the start which always increases the speed at which something will go to far and places it should not which of course it did.

"This guy is fantastically annoying to listen to, but he has some interesting info..." -- Rangeisshot April 26, 2023
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