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2023-05-23 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Let's make it simple, since now there are rumors flying around that he tried to blackmail Bill Gates regarding an affair he might -- or might not -- have had with a young but of legal age woman who was very good at playing chess.

Nobody has explained how Epstein made his money.  He had a lot of it; you don't buy an island and outfit it, never mind a nice big jet aircraft which is expensive to buy and also very expensive to maintain, fuel and staff without some source of income.

We all know, for example, how Elon Musk got his money.  And Bernie Ebbers.  And Ken Lay.  And any one of myriad other very wealthy people.  Whether ultimately it was discovered they were doing foul things or not the fact is that it was trivially easy to know exactly how they made their money, in the main.

Except for Epstein.

Therefore, by simple deduction, Epstein got his money because someone, or a group, were paying him and had the means to hide it from ordinary, routine surveillance that "outs" everyone else.

That in turn means one or more governments were doing it and none of them who had actual knowledge were adversarial to the others.

How do we know this?

Because it would have been to the adversary's tremendous advantage, and a nation-state is immune to "mere arrest" for some trumped-up offense, to blow the lid off of it had that been the case.

Therefore it wasn't.

Since the activities took place in and around the United States it is also therefore clear that one of the funding conduits was one or more agencies of and in the United States.  There may be others but our government was one of them.

That is conclusive.

What is also conclusive is that all of the 535 members of Congress know this and none of them have done anything about it.

That includes your Congressperson and both of your Senators, in each and every case.

To restate just in case your IQ is smaller than your shoe size: One or more of our agencies suborned and used the sexual abuse of underage girls, along with the sexual coercion of women who had reached the age of consent, for reasons we do not have knowledge of but which can be reasonably believed to be underhanded, illegal or likely both.  Such acts are criminal felonies even if the government performs them; there is no immunity for a US Government agency or instrumentality to fund activity leading to the rape of children.

This clearly did occur.

Whatever other gripes you may have with our government we, the people, clearly are willing to permit this to stand.

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Prof_dilligaf 507 posts, incept 2021-09-02
2023-05-23 07:14:24

The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed. - Honor de Balzac, Pere Goriot
Spanky 219 posts, incept 2011-03-22
2023-05-23 07:31:59

I believe Gates' supposed girlfriend, who beats a resemblance to his daughter, was a bridge player.
Dingleberry 721 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-05-23 07:46:10

Not to go all tin foil and whatnot...but it sure do look to me like a concerted, deliberate effort by seriously evil people at the top to blackmail other seriously evil people who run biz, gov, etc. And it appears the usual suspects make up a large part of the cesspool, on both ends.

But that would be a "conspiracy"......and we can't have that now, can we?

We now know (without doubt) that the top several layers of our intel and "justice" agencies are infested with a toxic brew of marxists, fascists and neocons. We also know that Epstein was an intel asset....remember the case in FL that was pleaded down by the prosecutor after he got a phone call? Hmmm.......

I am fairly certain that there is a HUGE case of Stockholm Syndrome by many of us who choose to worship their abusive overlords. On both ends of the political spectrum.

Ckaminski 6k posts, incept 2011-04-08
2023-05-23 07:46:31

Bridge, Yet another game I've never played.

My buddy was pissed I smoked him in my first and last ever game of cribbage...

I feel like I missed something growing up... and then I don't.

Maybe I'll teach my godson chess.

Tickerguy 195k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-05-23 07:47:17

I know how to play Bridge. Sort of. My father was quite good at it, my Uncle Tracy was internationally-ranked level good.

Its a perishable skill, however, and much depends on your partner -- it is definitely not a solo game by any means.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Tonythetiger 855 posts, incept 2019-01-27
2023-05-23 07:56:21

John Adams wrote..
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Apparently we've known this since at least 1798. Now we're learning why.

"War is when the Government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself." - Benjamin Franklin
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-05-23 08:01:08

Gates partner bears resemblance to Greta.

But otherwise, for my money, @Prof_dilligaf's Balzac cite is benchmark tradecraft.

Or my name is not Robert Maxwell.
Richebel4481 15 posts, incept 2023-03-23
2023-05-23 08:02:45

Yep. Your deductions I believe are correct. But apparently the "535" congressmen are afraid of the repercussions of exposing US agency involvement. If they were to make public their knowledge or belief of this involvement, they would likely be destroyed politically or personally by one or more of those agencies. Just like Epstein himself was destroyed.
Ckaminski 6k posts, incept 2011-04-08
2023-05-23 08:08:29

Makes you wonder how epstein lost his usefulness enough to end up in jail and Arkancided? He get dirt on the wrong person?
Synopsis 93 posts, incept 2010-02-05
2023-05-23 08:08:33

They overplay the It is a matter of national security card. It is the end justifies the means philosophy which has run amuck. In their minds its all ok because it for the greater good. This was the slippery slope that slid us into the perverted and twisted government we have now.
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-05-23 09:20:31

From the inside position, you can never overplay "a matter of national security".

Take a knee.
Cmoledor 2k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-05-23 09:20:35

Just another day in the dirty business of the occupying force that rules us.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Full throttle till the end. Ocdawg
Take the stick you tried to beat me with and go fuck your own face. Ishmael
Invisiblesun 733 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-05-23 09:20:50

Makes you wonder how epstein lost his usefulness

Well for one his ploy was revealed. No one with any secrets to keep would choose to pal around with him, his plane and properties.

So Epstein became a man who knew too much and he was limited in his ability to learn more - he had reached his expiration date as a blackmailer.

Reason: formatting
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2023-05-23 09:20:57

Ckaminski, he prob said he'd go public with it.. instead of just f'ing doing it.
Joancrawford 665 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2023-05-23 09:21:06

Tritumi-Or my name is not Robert Maxwell MC (born Jn Ludvk Hyman Binyamin Hoch;

Like so many in his (((tribe))), he changed his name early on. Gee, I wonder why?

And for the life of me, I'm still scratching my head, wondering WHAT other country could possibly be involved in such nefarious, illegal goings on?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with blackmail.

Probably something as innocent as a secret handshake billionaires club where they just sat around and played Scrabble, bridge, and chess with those nubile young girls (and boys-if that was your thing).

Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician.-Dorothy Parker

Boys don't make passes at girls with fat asses.-slightly modified DP
Spaceace 185 posts, incept 2019-05-09
2023-05-23 09:21:26

Where's that client list? Where is the Nashville shooter's manifesto? The list goes on and on.

Cindy McCain knew! Watch the whole video if you want to get blown away. That this is still on YouTube is amazing.

I hope her Bud distributorship is getting railed by the Bud Light boycott.
Mrbobo 154 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2023-05-23 09:21:57

I'm generally sick of hearing about him or Maxwell. He seems to be the pedo boogieman for all attention to focus on. All you ever heard is pedofile Jeffrey Epstein, when from what I can tell, he was running a mid/high-end teen call girl ring. I'm certain given his association with Maxwell, intelligence groups were connected. I haven't seen any investigation into who filled the vaccum created by his demise. Certainly his friends and clientele did not stop partying.
Ndp 148 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2023-05-23 09:23:03

One of my favorite authors is Dean Koontz. An overriding theme in most of his recent fiction relates to the abuse of power and people by agents of the government and business. The control and abuse of women and a callous disregard for humanity by these unaccountable agents of evil appears in almost every story.

One series featured a conspiracy by a cabal of government and business oligarchs to covertly inject the masses with technology to control their minds, essentially rendering them slaves to their elitist masters. One of their first projects is to create for themselves willing and pliable women to service their most twisted fantasies.

Far fetched? Sure. But not as far fetched as I would like. Especially considering that particular series came out prior to 2020. The clot shots obviously aren't literal mind control agents, but you can't deny that fear and threats were used to control the masses. Likewise there isn't that much distance between the fictitious sex slaves in Koontz's book and the literal ones on Epstein's Island.

I used to read Koontz's books for enjoyment. Now I practically view them as research into what's coming next or already happening (albeit in less fantastical terms).
Vernonb 3k posts, incept 2009-06-03
2023-05-23 09:23:14


The question I have is who has the information and is in control of that info. Let us not forget Maxwell is still breathing and a source of information to save her own skin.

Look how her trial was handled and how the clients in her books were never made public.

"Mass intelligence does not mean intelligent masses."
Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2023-05-23 09:23:22

The people will do nothing. They don't give a shit that they are funding this evil all around the world. This monster has outgrown its cage. Soon it will be unleashed to destroy all those in its way, including those that fostered and nurtured it.

Unfortunately, that also includes those that have tried to warn others and pleaded with them to help put a stop to this. Enjoy each day like it's your last. Hell on earth is coming...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
Larryboy 459 posts, incept 2012-12-29
2023-05-23 10:56:35

Hell on earth is coming...

Isn't there something in the Bible about this?
Oldpool 1k posts, incept 2010-06-23
2023-05-23 10:56:44

The people are unable to do anything because they have been demoralized and dumbed down, necessary for the occupation and destruction of...

Liberty, Comrade!
Purplefang 716 posts, incept 2010-03-28
2023-05-23 10:56:55

"What is also conclusive is that all of the 535 members of Congress know this and none of them have done anything about it."

This applies to just about everything. This is how we end up destroying the country. They get rewarded for following the party line without questioning it. How many have ever actually read the bills they are voting on?
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-05-23 10:57:16

@Joancrawford, my career during one provided insight into Captain Bob's sphere, so I am reluctant to delve more deeply in that memory box.

Name change is useful to obscure past when one takes the salt for shadow services. In RM's case, with family destroyed by Nazis, his wartime service to the Crown and subsequently Zionist project was well rewarded.

We called his death, by the way, Maxwell's Last Flotation.
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