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2023-05-16 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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America, that is.

There is one last chance to save it: The FBI and DOJ must be disbanded, everyone working for it fired with no pensions, no benefits, no nothing, and if we need the functions of either agency and/or DHS they must be reconstituted with hard criminal penalties for anything that even smells like this in the future.

If not, well, we're done.

We're done because it is now seven years after this injustice occurred, it was not minor, it was not due to "oversight" or "accident" and by the most-charitable read the reason it happened is political bias through the entire organization from the top down leaving nobody to challenge it.

Further, knowing this the Democrat party political campaign of the time (Hillary's) deliberately suborned the acts of the FBI and instead of being told to shove it and being publicly outed for their attempt they got what they wanted including the personal and financial destruction of several people.  huge number of members of Congress then went on to use their speech and debate clause to slander people left, right and center all based on these lies.  Current law and the Constitution provide us no means of punishment of said members of Congress due to that speech and debate clause but no such protection exists for the principals nor the FBI personnel involved.

Let me just cite this:

Given the foregoing, and viewing the facts in a light most favorable to the Crossfire Hurricane investigators, it seems highly likely that, at a minimum, confirmation bias played a significant role in the FBI's acceptance of extraordinarily serious allegations derived from uncorroborated information that had not been subjected to the typical exacting analysis employed by the FBI and other members of the Intelligence Community. In short, it is the Office's assessment that the FBI discounted or willfully ignored material information that did not support the narrative of a collusive relationship between Trump and Russia. Similarly, the FBI Inspection Division Report says that the investigators "repeatedly ignore[d] or explain[ed] away evidence contrary to the theory the Trump campaign ... had conspired with Russia .... It appeared that ... there was a pattern of assuming nefarious intent." 1749 An objective and honest assessment of these strands of information should have caused the FBI to question not only the predication for Crossfire Hurricane, but also to reflect on whether the FBI was being manipulated for political or other purposes. Unfortunately, it did not.

That's the most-charitable read.

I decline to provide that given the repeated and amplified abuse out of the Democrat Party, including from Hillary, Schiff and others particularly considering that exactly zero of said persons have apologized or in any other way backed off from their knowing lies.

Folks the capacity to do this on a forward basis must be destroyed.  This is not optional.  No republic can continue to exist when it becomes trivially easy for one political faction or another to deliberately weaponize law enforcement to go after disfavored individuals based on their political affiliation, inventing not just domestic events but claimed collusion with foreign powers that never occurred.

Indeed it is arguable that these very same people were in fact doing what they accused Trump of, but with Ukraine and China instead of Russia -- and there is now developing hard evidence of the money flows involved in same.  The extent to which they reached into policy during the Obama years and to which it influenced or even controlled the policies of the administration during the pandemic, an outbreak that we have every reason to believe sourced from that very same China, is not yet known.

There are over 1 million dead Americans over the last three years as a direct and indirect consequence and sixty million, roughly, children who got screwed in whole or part out of their education during those three years.  Never mind all the other people who got screwed and all of the inflation which we have and will continue to suffer under.

If that's not enough just this last evening it was reported that the IRS, at DOJ instruction, removed the entire team investigating Hunter's tax matters in quite-clear retaliation for the whistle-blower inside the IRS -- a clear violation of federal law and yet another demonstration of said corruption.  Coming on the back of the Durham report it is clear that the entire DOJ and FBI cannot be "redeemed" or "reformed."  The myriad claims that the DOJ and FBI have "learned" and "reformed" as a result of what happened with Crossfire Hurricane are not only laughable -- they're criminally insane.

This cannot stand nor go without redress.


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Quantum 842 posts, incept 2021-05-18
2023-05-16 07:37:52

It's not unreasonable to expect that this kind of operation will be run in 2024, as well.

Our God, will you not judge them? For we have no power to face this great multitude that is attacking us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you. --2 Chron. 20:12
Blanca 558 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2023-05-16 07:37:52

They do this because they know they can get away with it. In their sick and twisted minds, they believe their cause is noble. Those with money and government status can do as they please without any accountability. And if you oppose them, they will go after you with all the resources of the state at their disposal. They will ruin you, imprison you, whatever it takes to silence you.

All are, unfortunately, not equal under the law. This is banana republic sort of stuff.

Trump is, of course, ranting about this report. And he should. But exactly what would he do about it? What did he do about "crooked Hillary"? Who did he appoint to be the chairman of the JCS? The FBI director? If he were elected again, what specific actions would he take?

During his presidency, he told us he was being spied on by the agencies. What did he do? Trump will use his promises of action to boost his poll numbers amongst his base, but what could he actually DO and could he do those things within the framework of existing law?

Can these agencies be "reformed" by Trump? RFK Jr? Anyone?
Cmoledor 2k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-05-16 07:37:52

But were the good guys!!! Uh huh.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Full throttle till the end. Ocdawg
Take the stick you tried to beat me with and go fuck your own face. Ishmael
Tickerguy 195k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-05-16 07:38:34

@Blanca -
Can these agencies be "reformed" by Trump? RFK Jr? Anyone?

No. They and every person who works for them must be destroyed.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Invisiblesun 735 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-05-16 07:43:50

Show me when the FBI and DOJ have sought the truth, obtained factual evidence and honestly and fairly applied the law to hold individuals accountable?

As of today, we have clear and convincing proof the FBI and DOJ operate WITH prejudice to prosecute and punish individuals and groups for political advantage and that they choose not to prosecute people and groups for political reasons.

The FBI and DOJ operate in direct violation of the law. What now? There is a Constitution worth saving, but the government is crap. How can it be fixed when so many in the government are a part of the corruption?
Xqqme 1k posts, incept 2009-01-09
2023-05-16 07:46:09

Jerry Nadler:
Nothing in this report changes the outcome of the Mueller investigation, which resulted in multiple convictions, found more than 100 contacts between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russian government and substantial reason to believe Donald Trump had committed obstruction of Justice,

Thats their story and theyre sticking to it. Stick a fork in it!
Zarathustra 6k posts, incept 2009-04-29
2023-05-16 07:46:55

It's amazing how far we've fallen, especially after our dire predictions in 2007-2009. Even in my wildest dream did I ever imagine this and I was one of the biggest doomers here.......

"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
Happyapricot 135 posts, incept 2019-07-06
2023-05-16 08:00:33

The next election needs to be about reforming Federal Government agencies.

All this crap about White Supremacy, Mickey Mouse, and LGXYZ is just a diversion.

The powers that be are busy gather more authority and money while the American people argue with each other.

But I don't see the GOP doing anything to stop it. This has been happening slowly for decades.
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2023-05-16 08:16:34

I have a feeling we have not even scratched the surface of just how nefarious Obama was and likely still is. This was likely Obamas doing.

As for Drump, I have seen no sign of him ever learning from his mistakes. He was an impotent piece of excrement last time and I do not see him changing. I doubt there is any way a Republican will ever be allowed to win the Presidency again given how much control they now have over the system.
Boughtthefarm 525 posts, incept 2009-12-06
2023-05-16 08:16:46

We've entered the post constitutional era, like you said TG. The majority don't yet realize it, but its the truth.
Joancrawford 669 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2023-05-16 08:22:51

Blanca-Trump is, of course, ranting about this report. And he should. But exactly what would he do about it? What did he do about "crooked Hillary"?

The moment he uttered the phrase "The Clintons are FINE people!" I knew and understood how completely full of excrement Trump was and IS.

I'll admit, I was a little late to the party. A lot of people on this thread, especially our illustrious host, knew Trump was full of craps.

Bottom line for Trump was, you only get ONE shot at the apple. Let that shit pass and you are thoroughly fucked. And he did.

Frankly, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

And we deserve a Banana Republic cuntry (sic). This shit has been going on for over 50 years and makes what Nixon did look like a squirt gun fight.

Load up on popcorn and beer, folks. This whole shit house is coming down and there ain't nobody with the brains or balls to stop it.

Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician.-Dorothy Parker

Boys don't make passes at girls with fat asses.-slightly modified DP
Joancrawford 669 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2023-05-16 08:23:05

Twainfan2-I have a feeling we have not even scratched the surface of just how nefarious Obama was and likely still is. This was likely Obamas doing.

Obama is a homosexual Marxist who has spent his entire life doing the dance macabre on George Soros' Dick of Death.

He is a filthy, slimy, degenerate who lies with such skill and treachery, Satan himself is probably beside himself in awe.

Time may be a great healer, but it's a lousy beautician.-Dorothy Parker

Boys don't make passes at girls with fat asses.-slightly modified DP
Ocdawg 440 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-05-16 08:25:44

100% KD smileysmiley

... and...

America has no sack... IT WILL BURN!!! The psy-op continues so.... we get what's coming...

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."- George Carlin
USA= smiley... and... GO DAWGS!!!
Mrbobo 158 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2023-05-16 08:30:19

FFS, the FBI had the gall to tweet out effectively, "Yes it's as bad as it sounds, but that's why we fixed the problem. Nothing to worry about going forward". Given this is the behavior at the highest level, I shudder to think what an over-ambitious field agent might engage in. Gee, how many of the foiled terrorist plots of the last two decades were actual organic threats?
It's over and has been, they have no one they are accountable to. In ye olde times organizations like the CIA and FBI at least paid lip service to the concept of (legislative) oversight. Post 9/11 we effectively codified deference to them.

The main lesson they learned was, when pushing someone no one wants, their hamfisted influence campaigns only move the needle so much. We're past making election results credible. The only thing holding "America" together is the illusory belief in ALL the systems being valid, viable, and fixable. As a whole, I think most are in that denial (or bargaining) state of grief. In a proper Banana Republic we would at least get show trials of some notable assholes.
Shadowmask 5k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-05-16 09:07:41

Gotta go get popcorn while it's affordable.

The learning curve for being dead is steep, but everyone gets it down pat on the first go usually.--Thystra, March 28, 2023
Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2023-05-16 09:07:53

In 1870, the amount of litigation involving the post-Civil War United States necessitated the expensive retention of private attorneys, until Congress passed the Act to Establish the Department of Justice, led by the Attorney General, to handle the legal business of the United States.

The DOJ is just doing what they have always done; defend the federal government from unconstitutional acts. The Constitution was already dead by that time. How can you hold together a "voluntary union" by force?

This monster has grown so large it's becoming very difficult for it to continue to pretend to be bound by the constitution. Just think about what they have done in the last few years. They will stop at nothing to remain in power just as they did back during the civil war.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
Ascenzm 169 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-05-16 09:08:06

America has no sack... IT WILL BURN!!! The psy-op continues so.... we get what's coming...

I repeatedly read Americans stating we have guns as if that is the solution.

Vox Day laid it out last year when he stated:

"the Second Amendment has become irrelevant. Weapons are of no use to a people who are unwilling to use them. Since Americans wouldnt use their God-given gun rights to a) defend their borders against foreign immigration or b) to prevent at least two successive fraudulent governments from ruling over them when they had those rights, history indicates they are probably going to eventually lose them.

I understand the natural reaction to protest we didnt know or people werent ready or there is nothing we could have done. But the cold reality of history is that a people have a limited window of opportunity in which successful self-defense is possible. Once the Pilgrims have established themselves, the Visigoths have crossed the Rhine, or the Lombards have crossed the Alps, its already too late to turn back time.

Thats why, at this point, the collapse of the United States is probably the optimal outcome for the American posterity"
Veeger 1k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-05-16 09:08:31

With this report, we're at the point Wile E Coyote begins to look down (some folks maybe, we here already have).

But, as our host has indicated, effectively, we're already past the point of no return. Unlike the Coyote, we will be muy hurt at the bottom...

I remember the Diamond Princess.

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2023-05-16 09:40:36

Is anyone shocked? I'm not.
The swamp covering for the swamp... was fully expected.
Tickerguy 195k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-05-16 09:41:00

Keep calling it "the swamp" instead of an occupying force that must be removed and, well, you too can keep making excuses.

See, an occupying force requires inputs or it starves. You don't need to shoot them to remove them; starving them is sufficient, and doesn't require violence -- except in response to their attempt to use same to obtain supplies, in which case its self-defense and ALWAYS justifiable.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Whossane 278 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2023-05-16 10:01:18

The FSBI isn't getting disbanded. They're getting rewarded with a new 4 billion $ headquarters.
Dbigkahunna 703 posts, incept 2010-01-10
2023-05-16 10:13:41

At this point in time the number of people this benefits continuing to exist and expand is exceeding the number who doesn't. I am afraid we have passed the tipping point. This nonsense is continuing right now and no one in power is speaking against it. Any congresscreatures speaking out?
It benefits them not to.
Maybe it will hold together 20 more years. My kids and grandkid will be on their own. But old men do not make revolutions.

Blessed, Grateful and Living a Dream
Traderdog 61 posts, incept 2021-08-30
2023-05-16 10:15:52

Durham accomplished the purpose of his investigation. Run out the statute of limitations. That is proof the government occupiers intend to do nothing.
Gianmarko 257 posts, incept 2013-03-11
2023-05-16 11:49:59

Problem is, the useful idiots of the left will be told that all this is just russian disinformation, and they will believe it, or pretend they do.

Remember, getting rid of Trump was vital, no matter how. And most agree.

So i would say yes, it is over; Us of A is officially a banana republic. And not from today.

btw, I would add CIA to the agencies to disband.

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