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2023-03-15 12:28 by Karl Denninger
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Let's just get right to the point....

 

Positive IgG, negative IgM, control is valid.

I have had Covid exactly once, in the first week of August 2021.  It was not fun, but I survived and I have no long-term effects on my cardio performance -- or anything else.  I know it was Covid-19 because I had IgG tests from May of 2020 forward and was using them on an every-few-month basis; I acquired them through "back channels" because I got hit by some nasty virus the first week of January 2020 and believed initially it was Covid.  It wasn't; I was IgG-negative right up until I got what had the classic symptoms.

I refused to go to the doctor or hospital and I won't tell you it was fun.  It wasn't.  But I was badgered both before and after to take the shots, with the claim that my immunity would wane and the antibody titer would go away.

Right after infection I had a light IgM titer and a pretty-strong IgG one, as expected.  Six months later, I had no IgM and a stronger IgG.  One year later I still had a decent IgG (and no IgM.) 

Today, approximately 580 days (~1.58 YEARS) later, I still have very-much present IgG; the exact opposite of what we were told would happen -- that you would not be protected over time, and would get it again repeatedly.  And yes, it is circulating here as people keep getting it.  Quite-obviously the infection produced induction in my marrow since I have not repeatedly been sick (or for that matter ill with anything) and thus I am forced to assume that so long as there are circulating strains which can produce immediate recall from said marrow I will continue to have a blood titer, and if that ever ends I will still have the recall for as long as I have functional marrow.

Then again given that the other human coronaviruses in the same "beta" family tend to circulate on about a four year interval its probably fair to believe that the challenges will continue.  Eventually I'm sure I'll get it again, but whether I'd even recognize it as anything other than a cold.... probably not.

May I note that most people I know who got jabbed have had Covid multiple times?  One person I know claims to have had it four times!  Obviously something prevented their body from inducing recall capacity in their marrow when they got it.  Gee, that wouldn't be the shot, would it?  Probably, which leaves open the question: Is that damage permanent and if so how many times do you have to roll those dice before you get totally screwed?

I will note that these cassettes are "expired" (by six months, although sealed in their original factory pouches) and there is no "official" diluent (which is why a few were sent to me ex-the other part of the supplies) so I came up with something that I believed would work.  I was hoping the control antigen was in the actual cassette (and not the diluent) or otherwise the test would ring "invalid" (no control) and, if the ersatz diluent didn't transport the blood proteins adequately I'd get a negative even though I did have antibodies.  In other words all the potential errors would produce a negative result which might or might not be true.

Obviously my ersatz diluent was effective and the control protein is on the paper at the "sample" area, because I got the valid and test read.

If you ever want me to trust medicine again those who lied about prevalence of protection from infection and every one of those people who used that as a predicate for a mandate or in any way coerced anyone to take that crap must be asset-stripped to the underwear, their family ejected into the street including their children and they must then be arrested, indicted and tried for one count of intentional, premeditated murder for each and every person the jabs have killed, along with malicious felony wounding for each person said jabs have harmed.  Their liability is and must be joint and several, imposed on every politician, medical provider, doctor, nurse and Internet scold who run their bullshit on the public at-large.

Since you can't sentence someone to death more than once I'll settle for once.  It's not enough, but its the best humans can do.

I'd prefer something more biblical for the punishment side than the gurney-and-needle show but since that's what the Federal Government uses I'll accept it.

I will accept nothing less, and until and unless it happens I refuse to believe or adhere to any such alleged "advice" now or in the future and will treat anyone attempting any future mandate of any sort for any public health matter to be attempting murder upon my person and will respond in kind.

What you see here above is scientific proof that from the first of August of 2021 to today, without a subsequent infection that rendered me ill in any way (minor or otherwise) and without any jabs I still have a decent IgG antibody titer against Covid-19.

I all but lick doorknobs and have since this started, refusing all your "protective measures" and for all who attacked me for my view the facts are in:

I WAS RIGHT, YOU WERE WRONG, I HAVE STILL NOT RECEIVED ONE APOLOGY FROM A SINGLE PERSON AND YOU CAN ALL FUCK OFF.

PS: The economic damage from all these people who got screwed and are now repeatedly getting sick, never mind those who are now permanently disabled or the jab killed outright?  Tough crap folks -- there's nothing you can do about that either.

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Blanca 527 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2023-03-15 12:50:10

A friend of mine told me he needs to go to the doctor to see why he keeps getting sick. He wonders if there is something wrong with his immune system. I know there were at least three jabs.

Around Christmas, myself and a number of others whom I celebrated Christmas with got sick and we all tested positive with the COVID antigen tests. Wifey didn't get sick as she had COVID a few months earlier when she was out-of-town with relatives for several weeks. I tested myself multiple times and a couple of weeks later I finally got a negative test. One month later I got a Labcorp antibody test and I was negative for SARS-COV2 antibodies. I haven't been able to locate any more antibody tests online to verify.
Whitehat 12k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-03-15 12:50:23

When does the killing start?

Asking for a friend.

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Mjeff87 2k posts, incept 2021-11-22
2023-03-15 12:52:10

Tickerguy wrote..


Their liability is and must be joint and several, imposed on every politician, medical provider, doctor, nurse and Internet scold who run their bullshit on the public at-large.


Hammer, meet nail.

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Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum

Light travels faster than sound.
That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-15 12:51:59

BTW that was one of the two "expired" ones a forum member sent me. No diluent in the package, so I had to improvise. My improvisation was one drop of dish detergent in a whiskey-size glass of water. I would have liked something formally used for fractioning blood but don't happen to have a biosciences lab in my basement, so I went with what I had available.

It works sufficiently well to mobilize the blood proteins down the chromatography strip (which its its purpose), as you can see, and there's no chance that either water or dish soap has Covid antibody proteins in it and thus could provide a false positive.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-03-15 13:01:00

The killing began in 2020. Unfortunately, as per the usual, the peons were dying and their murderers were cashing checks.

It's a one-sided game. The herd knows there are predators walking amongst them, they just don't have the imagination to think they're worth being stalked. It always happens to someone else.

Until it doesn't.

Reminds me of something a Russian novelist wrote about Soviet security operatives, apartment buildings and gulags.

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The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Generalee 140 posts, incept 2011-04-30
2023-03-15 13:01:32

I just want my GP to tell me again why he didn't feel he could write me a letter exempting the mandated jab when he was aware of my recovery from the death trap including the run death is near poisoning. Yeah I thought so. Well, I wonder what he thinks now that he has inoculated his entire family? I should ask but guess how much I care? My family is not vaxxed.
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-15 13:02:02

I hope your GP's entire family dies of it, THEM FIRST and then him LAST so he has to WATCH.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Workerbee 5k posts, incept 2009-03-18
2023-03-15 13:04:36

Like Karl (and most everyone here) I trust my natural immunity.

I haven't tested for antibodies in a long while, but it was once present and measurable.
I consider licking doorknobs a fun hobby.

Contrast my multi-jabbed co-worker/pt/acquaintance cohort...well they aren't fairing well.
At all.
Of course these poor fuckers have measurably titers
- usually in the high end.
For the S protein!
HA!

How's that working out for them?


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Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-15 13:05:55

Someone I know, when I mentioned that a year in I had a solid titer, was curious if they did. I told them they had to go talk to Labcorp since they're jabbed and the common finger-prick test doesn't distinguish, thus its useless to know if they have "N" recognition, which is the conserved part of the virus across mutations and thus the useful part longer-term.

The only way you get useful information from those finger-stick tests is if you took NO jabs. Even one pollutes it as if there's anything left of the spike it'll read that, but mutational mismatch means it may well be useless or worse, even enhance infection with a divergent strain.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Kfell 284 posts, incept 2014-09-09
2023-03-15 13:38:33

I think I got covid for the first time in the 3rd week of February and I am still not 100% but still ride my trainer every day and have gone skiing 9-10 times including 2 back country jaunts that tested my stamina and endurance. I am still blowing chunks out of my nose after strenuous exercise and a dry cough here and there. I can see how this virus could put an obese individual on a cold slab but that's a problem that individual should mitigate and not me and my children. Never forgot the bullshit they put us through.
Tsherry 12k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2023-03-15 13:38:42

Business partner has her fifth 'head cold' this year, unless I'm missing one. Might be the sixth. Sounds like shit.

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Shadowmask 5k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-03-15 14:06:33

Fuck my vaxhole boss, fuck everyone who required vaxports to enter a venue, and fuck those same people when they get sick.

Got the coof once, lick doorknobs.

Sadly, I didn't think to grift me some "long covid", so still working instead of disabling in place.

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Sonoran_monk 2k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2023-03-15 14:06:38

Talking to an acquaintance recently. He's overweight but not jabbed, his father is even more overweight and jabbed. They live together, the son is in his 40's classic millennial failure to launch.

I said "You guys are getting sick a lot lately."
Son, "It's called Winter."
Me, "Why haven't I been sick in two winters?"
Son, <stupid look on his face>.
Lastquagga 24 posts, incept 2022-04-30
2023-03-15 14:32:51

I bought a handful of test kits back in early 2020 from overseas, possibly on your recommendation, Karl. My daughter and I were both already IgG positive; we were either asymptomatic or it was the nasty bug we both caught in late October, early November 2019, though that does throw the "established" timetable out of whack.

Daughter and I stopped testing, for obvious reasons. As of late 2021 when we ran out of test kits, my wife still tested negative.
Packetcap 1k posts, incept 2021-07-23
2023-03-15 15:19:29

Ed Dowd stated on Twitter that our workforce has essentially been poisoned. I'll add that college students were poisoned intentionally and in some places an attempt was made to poison little kids.

Quote:
Edward Dowd @DowdEdward Mar 13

US productivity is heading south due to not only lost workers through death and disability but also increased sickness from immune compromised vaccine injured. Our coming analysis of worktime lost is shocking to say the least.

National Security Issue is an understatement.


We are already living in Idiocracy. Reeeeeeeeeee!
Maurevel 1k posts, incept 2009-06-14
2023-03-15 15:19:41

Got me curious. Did the same.

Strong igN, very, very faint igG

Felt slightly tired for a day 3 weeks ago and have been producing thick clear stuff in nose and throat. I suspected it was a response to another challenge.

As if ABs show up in blood after what is essentially a mucosal defense and they have ways to signal. Who ever built that immune system was a genius.

I remember a quote from Geert - you have the strongest protection against covid if you are unvaccinated in a highly vaccinated area.



Nedpuddleman 119 posts, incept 2012-07-01
2023-03-15 15:19:56

The company I work for had jab mandates. I didn't comply and I didn't get fired. Still cashing the checks but I confess it killed any motivation I had for going above and beyond what was necessary. A short time later they did away with the mandates but most people got the jabs.

The higher ups had a face to face strategy meeting a few weeks ago and over half of them got the coof. The person over my segment of the company said "it seems like when we all get together all of us get COVID. But we are all vaccinated and boosted so we have nothing to worry about. This is my 4th time getting COVID and I don't understand why I keep getting it."

I just shook my head. I had COVID in Jan 2022, took Ivermectin to treat it, and haven't been sick with anything since. And I have been directly exposed to 4 people that have had symptomatic COVID in the last year. I just keep my head down and stay below the radar.
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-15 15:21:43

@Maurevel IgM is recent infection (within the last 30 days); it typically fades pretty quickly. If you got a strong read on the IgM line you were almost-certainly actively infected within the last 30 days. Usually, within about 2 months, its below the detectable level on a linear chromatography test but your IgG level should be quite high at that point.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Apathetic 50 posts, incept 2011-08-16
2023-03-15 15:42:16

I have some kits I got a year ago that I should use, just to see what they show. I was closely exposed to Covid in Aug. 20 and felt a little off in the afternoon for a couple of days in a row, but never symptomatic. I'm sure I was exposed several more times since, but haven't had anything worse than a head cold. I don't typically get more than that in flu season, anyway.
Lizardqueen 4k posts, incept 2008-04-01
2023-03-15 15:42:21

Of all the massive outrages that occurred during this Covid mess, the refusal of "our betters" to acknowledge natural immunity is one of the biggest. How many people who already survived Covid got shoved into taking the shots afterwards, injuring themselves or at least impairing their future immunity?

And formerly intelligent scientifically trained people lost all logic on this topic too. I had an argument with a brainwashed co-worker about this at an outdoor work barbecue in Pandemic Year One.
This woman has a dual Masters in biology and bioinformatics. She opined that the immunity from the shot was more comprehensive and had more durability than that of a natural infection.
I flat out asked her "L, when in all of recorded biological history has that ever been the case, especially when the vaccine only uses part of the protein of the virus? "
She huffed a lot about the latest CDC data etc at which point I gave up and walked away.

One thing I really want to see tracked in the multi-jabbed and multi-coofed people is the jab/coof pattern.
Is it "jab - coof - jab - coof - jab - coof" ? Or is it "jab jab jab coof coof coof"?

And is there a time duration from last shot to last coofing that is meaningful?
And is there a pattern difference between shot manufacturers?

So far I've seen nothing like this anywhere. It would be enlightening as to how to, as a society, work our way out of this (if it can be done).

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Mjeff87 2k posts, incept 2021-11-22
2023-03-15 15:42:57

I had covid back in early 2022 (or was it '21?), but it took an employer-required weekly test to tell me I had it. Completely asympomatic, got a free 14 day vacation from work and I took every minute of it. Fuck 'em. In hindsight, I thought it might have been a false test (but it was repeated twice over two weeks, plus it was confirmed with a different type of test). Then my wife gets it about a month ago (and she had symptoms, testing was a strong positive). I did nothing different, slept in the same bed, swapped spit, sat on the same couch, yadda yadda. I got nothing. Draw your own conclusions.

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Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum

Light travels faster than sound.
That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2023-03-15 16:09:34

Yup. See the same results from my qtr lab work.
Indeed it's durable and long lasting!

Thank god for natural immunity!!

May the Jabbies DIE DIE DIE!!
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-03-15 16:30:02

For me its much more basic. I have not discussed covid or the shots with anyone in face to face conversation for well over a year. I have no idea if its the case or not. But its like the whole thing has become one of those things you don't talk about in polite conversation, and I'm perfectly happy with it staying that way. I simply will not discuss any medical with anyone as it relates to my personal biological management.

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Its all in the mitochondria
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-03-15 16:30:24

Since I came of age in the 1980's, the informal "ethos" of society has been live and let live. However, starting about 10 years ago, people, especially young people have become increasingly "political" about anything and everything. They no longer abide by the "live and let live" ethos. This is the reason why I'm perfectly happy to see these people die in the next 5-10 years, if it were happen.

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