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2023-03-09 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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The 100+ Year Old History Of Death By Arrogance
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You ought to read this; I've pointed it out before, at the beginning of the Covid crap, but it bears another look.

Since the introduction of antibiotics "pandemics" from viral agents have never mattered materially to society.  We will eventually, by the way, likely find ourselves in serious trouble in this regard once again because of antibiotic resistance, which we caused, but whether that's worth it or not is an open question.  Certainly, for the people who don't die but would have otherwise, they will tell you it is -- and was.

The poor bastards who find themselves with a resistant strain of some invasive bacteria that kills them will likely disagree.

So be it.

It is a fact that most of the people that the 1918 flu pandemic killed died as a result of secondary bacterial infections.  This is not in dispute.  What is also not in dispute is that doctors killed a huge number of the remaining people that died by handing out aspirin like literal candy.  They choked on their own blood and secretions which the aspirin, in huge doses that we now know are well beyond the LD50 dose (that which kills half the people who take it) caused.

In other words the doctor killed them.  We even have a "pleasant" name for this so we don't have to call it by its proper name ("murder" or "manslaughter") -- iatrogenic disease or death.

"Iatrogenic" is a pleasant name for caused by the physician or medical "treatment."

Why don't we just call it manslaughter or negligent wounding?

It is.

Let's cut the crap -- the evidence is overwhelming that every single Covid death was in fact iatrogenic.  All of them.  Why?  Because the virus was man-made, not a fluke of nature and this was known within days after it supposedly showed up, which was also a lie as to the "date it appeared."  We now know this to be factual and in fact knew it pretty early on because blood donations made in the latter part of 2019 had antibodies to Covid-19 in them, an impossibility unless the virus existed and was circulating in people prior to the claimed "appearance" in early 2020.

We know the virus was man-made because a patented sequence of proteins is in it and you can't patent something that nature creates.  This is proof that the virus was in fact manufactured -- whether directly or a precursor does not matter; without said manufacturing there would have been no Covid-19 at all.  None of this can be disputed; it is fact.  Further, everyone in the so-called "scientific community" knew this within days of the original announcement that Covid-19 existed and the so-called "community of doctors and scientists" intentionally lied about it.  This should not surprise given that a huge number of said people were implicated personally in either being part of it (directly and indirectly) or funding the work that led to it.  When was the last time someone who did a particularly stupid thing that led to a really bad outcome came forward and admitted it?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Would you tolerate the engineering profession redefining the collapse of a design to be enlogenic -- a mish-mash for "I didn't calculate elongation -- that is, expansion due to changing temperatures -- correctly and thus you died"?  Why no, you wouldn't.  So why don't we force the medical and pharmaceutical industries to call death by drug or doctor manslaughter -- which it is, incidentally -- instead of a mismashed term that 99% of the population will not relate to "that asshole should hang for what he gave you -- or withheld -- and was the cause of your death."

Can we get rid of the "what he gave you" part?  Maybe not; humans have a pretty insane capacity to believe in what amounts to witchcraft and it has very little to do with intelligence whether or not you fall under said spell.  There are multiple areas of cognitive bias that come into this; Semmelweis was drummed out of the medical profession for his correct deduction that deaths in maternity wards were due to doctors not washing their hands between patient examinations.  That happened in the mid-1800s so please save me the sanctimonious nonsense about how "the best and brightest don't do things like that" because they most certainly both did and do.

Money only adds to the list of said cognitive bias that weighs upon the scale, never mind fear of being caught when you realize that a grant you underwrote a few years prior has now led to a global viral outbreak.  If there was ever a reason to hang someone that would be it so if you think such a person has no reason to fear being held accountable and thus lie through their teeth you're certifiable.

The simple reality is this:We have repeatedly made viral outbreaks worse by "intervening."  We killed over 60,000 gay Americans by withholding Bactrim from those with AIDS who had PCP, claiming there was no evidence it worked and instead prescribing AZT, a drug that we had little experience with and, of the experience we had, we knew it was toxic as it had failed trials for cancer on safety.  The claim that Bactrim was unproved was a lie; we knew it worked because ten years earlier it was discovered to work in Leukemia patients and to this day stands as the single largest advance in Leukemia survival by making PCP a non-issue, where it used to routinely kill those undergoing treatment for said cancer.  We killed god-knows-how-many people in 1918 by wildly overdosing them with aspirin, a "new fangled" drug that had just shown up and we had little experience with.  This time around we did the same thing we did with AZT with Remdesivir, a drug that was "new fangled" and had twice previous failed on safety, yet it was touted as "an answer" to Covid pneumonia.  In those previous trials it failed because it destroyed kidney function.  Someone I knew here in town died exactly that way, allegedly of "Covid", after being given the drug.  Now we have people dropping dead or coming up with crazy non-previously-existent maladies after giving them a lightly-tested, unproved injection to, it was claimed, prevent Covid and we now know it does not prevent infection nor passing the virus to others.

All of these events featured one thing in common: They were all new and wonderous alleged "answers" to some medical problem caused by a virus, all of them made the peddlers a crap-ton of money, none of them had any track record proving they were safe to use over decades of prior use and every one of them killed a huge number of people because, in fact, they neither solved the problem or were safe.

We learned all the way back to 1918 that allowing money into the game adds trouble on top of even the allegedly most-educated person's addiction to magical thinking.  We do this with many other areas of medicine as well; we cannot even formally describe in detail the full interactions and functionality of the immune system yet we think we can design other than by pure mimicry an effective "prophylaxis" (e.g. vaccine) that uses same.  That's wild-eyed arrogance without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Mimicry (e.g. the traditional measles shot) works despite our ignorance because it mimics where a natural infection shows up and thus even though we do not have anywhere near a complete understanding of how immunity works it gets "close enough" and in nearly every case provides durable and stable protection.

Such is not true for any non-regularly-viremic, short-latent-period viral infection including RSV, influenza and all coronaviruses, including but not limited to Covid.

The evidence is that the work being done before the virus got out was likely related to an attempt at a coronavirus vaccine.  I've gone over in some detail why this is the most-likely explanation, including the fact that if you were actually trying to come up with a weapon you wouldn't choose a coronavirus; their rapid and unstable mutational pattern makes them a poor choice.  Never mind that the No Time to Die (e.g. James Bond film) scenario of targeting requires a level of understanding that we are nowhere near achieving and almost-certainly won't achieve in our lifetimes.  Such a view is fantasyland nonsense and while striving to gain knowledge of the immune system in full is a good goal to have the facts are we're not in any danger of pulling that level of understanding off at any time in the foreseeable future.

The best we can do is to demand that the "white lab coat" folks, when it comes to health, be relegated to advisory roles and destroy their gatekeeping capacity in all respects -- whether it be at the pharmacy (e.g. you can buy what you want and are responsible for the outcomes individually) or in the realm of so-called "public health."  The facts are that all elements of this so-called "profession" have not only failed to help they have made many diseases and conditions worse, presiding over an explosion of diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure and death.  Their nostrums, "recommendations" and even mandates have done nothing to reverse or prevent any of these outcomes, all of which claim a huge percentage of human lives in the Western world.

Absent their immediate consent to that change, backed by immediate legislation barring them from any role extending beyond advice we must hold every one of them to an engineering standard and then hang every single one responsible for even a single iatrogenic death.

Whether the jackass shoots with a gun or a hypodermic needle - or for that matter a pill - does not change the essence of the act.

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Neal 289 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-03-09 08:26:09

Um, first line has viral agents, should that be bacterial agents or am I missing something?
Ingar 501 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2023-03-09 08:26:18

Some of the antibiotic resistance may be attributable to overprescribing of antibiotics driven by fear of a malpractice lawsuit. When I bought malpractice coverage in the Florida panhandle, the policy was reasonably priced. I moved to Dade county a year later and the policy would have cost 5 times that in the panhandle even though I had no claims against me. I believe that the Miami area was home to about 20% of the social parasites practicing law in Florida at that time and figured that was what was driving the cost of the insurance there.

Society has some love of new things be it in medicine or in technology and this enthusiasm is sometimes unwarranted before any claims of improved are established.

Invisiblesun 689 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-03-09 08:26:35

The Hippocratic oath has been replaced by the axiom: The doctor is not responsible for death or injury no matter the harm caused by the doctor's "care". Patients have been diminished to the status of lab rats.

The medical industry has become a threat to personal well-being. If one must receive medical services, be discerning and choose wisely.
Evergreen 277 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-03-09 08:26:39

Ironic that a citizenry that chooses its leaders for better or worse cannot choose non-OTC meds. The citizen hires a guy who then restricts his liberty on the claim that the citizen is not responsible enough or competent to properly care for himself. And, the citizen is good with that.
Robodog 496 posts, incept 2011-06-12
2023-03-09 08:26:45

Yeah, euphemisms, their (over)use in the west has become quite profuse & proficient to the point of childish play-pretending insanity, e.g. LARPing anyone?

Hospital stays these days are a crap shoot in that the most antibiotic resistant (and sometimes quite contagious) bacterial/fungal/viral germ strains, i.e. Enterobacterales, have survived despite the incessant, diligent cleaning efforts to destroy them. Best to avoid those germ breeding grounds altogether, unless an emergency (trauma) or if one must, get in, treated & hightail it ASAP.

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Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-09 08:28:45

@Neal nope -- I meant viral. The simple fact is that the vast majority of influenza deaths were in fact from secondary bacterial infections. This has been proved. The second leading cause of death during the 1918 pandemic was aspirin overdose as prescribed by the doctors who were commonly ordering patients to take the stuff at doses well beyond the LD50.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-03-09 08:45:06

Somebody a long time ago said something along the lines of, "those who refuse to learn history are doomed to repeat it."


The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Erroldo 660 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2023-03-09 08:49:58

Use hospitals for baby deliveries(maybe), real emergencies and major surgeries if required to save/extend life.
For everything else: stay away if possible.
Traumaboyy 2k posts, incept 2011-05-20
2023-03-09 09:12:27

Hell is almost too good for folks like Gallo and Fauchi who have made fortunes killing people!!! Well written Sir!!
Kalel666 33 posts, incept 2021-05-05
2023-03-09 09:12:43

My last doctor's appointment I was required to acknowledge the following on a form:
"You may be discharged from the practice if:
You do not follow your providers recommended treatment"

Needless to say, I didn't sign, and my doctor and I had a very short, one sided and frank discussion of that bullshit. For his part, he agreed and told me the form was required by the hospital group that effectively owns the practice.

Fuck that shit; if you force people to follow your "treatment recommendations" , then you damn well better be prepared to accept the consequences of those recommendations when they cause injury or death.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-03-09 09:12:58

You know the more I read in these pages, the more I realize just how backwards our world ( the states anyway at least) is and has been. For a long long time. Isnt it odd how some money guy on the net knows a shit ton more about medical things than the medical people themselves?? I suppose it shouldnt surprise me. Its a nation of frauds and scams as a fellow ticker user says quite often. Indeed it is. And the only way to stop it will be painful. So be it. Im rooting for the meteor though. Anyway. I appreciate your work Karl. Still cant say it enough.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
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Katrinkayobotz 26 posts, incept 2021-10-18
2023-03-09 09:16:39

@Robodog How about this one?
Nosocomial infection, a/k/a hospital acquired.
Moconserv 560 posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-03-09 09:21:29

Follow Karl's advice.... get healthy, stay healthy and avoid the medical cartels. Think of it as practice for what is coming soon.

Embrace the suck.
Fredx 64 posts, incept 2019-01-01
2023-03-09 09:23:41

When I went to the hospital 5 years ago, I worried about staph infection.

Now I worry about staff infection.
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-09 09:34:11

I have several times related the story of my mother who got colon cancer and had it resected. I drove up for that as she was an old woman and surgery is always dangerous; I wanted to be there just in case (and held power of medical attorney for her for just such an instance.)

Well, pre-op doc comes in and does not wash his hands when he walks into the room. I ripped him a new asshole, asking him if he just shook hands with a Muslim who had just come out of the bathroom, and he knew wiped his ass with said hand, if he'd pick up and eat food with said hand without washing them first.

He gave me a VERY dirty look -- and washed his hands.

Would YOU rely on "sanitizer" in such an instance? Didn't think so.

If he had given her an infection doing that shit it might have killed her. Fuck that when a reasonable countermeasure takes less than a minute. I've scrubbed into a NICU before and by God if I can do it so I don't kill one of the babies in there then he can do it so he doesn't kill my mother. If he refuses then FUCK HIM right here, right now.

If you think this sort of shit is something new, well, it isn't. But over the last few years they've tried to play the "do it our way or get out" game. Fine, then I insist it run the other way; if you're commanding rather than advising, and refuse service if I do not follow your commands, then if you fuck up and seriously injure or kill me you DIE, dickface, and I'm going to do your spouse and as many other people you love that I can identify first in a way that makes goddamn CERTAIN you know that person suffered so YOU get to deal with the anguish you served up on someone else -- and then I will send said "Doctor" to Hell on top of it.

You want to render ADVICE and that be the end of it? Fine; I'm good with this. As soon as you try to turn that into a COMMAND structure then you own the outcomes and if you try to refuse you won't get away with it if you do that to anyone I care about.

Even if I wind up behind bars on a gurney for enforcing accountability. I don't give a fuck; when it comes to people I care about the medical system will not do this to any of those people and get away with it.

That's how we stop this shit; either THEY cut it out or WE hold them to an ENGINEERING standard. Either the government fixes this problem of we must, one dickface and their family at a time.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Dji 1k posts, incept 2009-04-21
2023-03-09 10:01:45

or we must, one dickface and their family at a time.

^^^^^THIS is going to be the ONLY WAY.

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Kalel666 33 posts, incept 2021-05-05
2023-03-09 10:01:51

Yep, reap the whirlwind, motherfuckers.
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-03-09 10:20:15

"Iatrogenic" is a pleasant name for caused by the physician or medical "treatment."

You're sounding more and more like my friend Andy Cutler everyday. It is truly unfortunate that he passed away in summer of '17. I would have most certainly introduced him to your blog were he to be around today. I think you guys would have seen eye to eye on a lot of things, particularly medical stuff. If anything, he was even more critical of the medical establishment than you are. The only differences would have been that you lean more conservative whereas he and I lean more libertarian.

Its all in the mitochondria
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-03-09 10:25:23

All other professionals such as lawyers and engineers act in an advisory capacity. Only doctors have the legal mandate to be gatekeepers.

Its all in the mitochondria
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-09 10:27:36

Do they @Abelardlindsey? I had to have engineering drawings to build a dock in Florida. That stamp was required on the plans under force of law.

I can wire my own house and while I must have it inspected before the power company will allow it to be connected to the grid (reasonable) I do not HAVE TO hire an electrician.

This was definitely NOT true for the dock.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Mrbobo 130 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2023-03-09 11:03:39

Media has portrayed doctors as suffering from the God complex saying their power to heal breeds hubris. In reality, the patients ascribe the powers of a diety to all in the white coats, yet most of the "frontline" doctors threw up their hands and claimed impotence. After supposed over prescription of antibiotics for decades they were terrified of giving a single round of zpak.
There's a similarity to the narrative that is run nowadays regarding policing (or a lack thereof) and the fear of being disciplined (sued) that was run with doctors and malpractice suits a while back.
Kirklandguy 58 posts, incept 2022-02-14
2023-03-09 11:21:42

I was wondering if you would have a ticker on the Bad Cat's substack after I read it yesterday. Truly a fantastic and well-sourced read.
I must admit to never having known about aspirin and the 1918 pandemic, but it completely matches with the oddities vs what is known now about flu and the types of death that occurred in 1918.

It is truly amazing how many people were killed the past 3 years due to hubris, arrogance, and negligence.
Whossane 268 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2023-03-09 11:21:53

Dan_e 124 posts, incept 2009-06-23
2023-03-09 11:31:59

Very recently saw an article claiming that a large part of the deaths in the 1918 pandemic were caused by doctors prescribing up to 30 grams of aspirin by some guideline (much like the run-death-is-near now) which apparently is enough to kill a person, but it looks like that is only a partial answer as death rates were apparently much the same in areas where aspirin wasn't available. for the source article that the page I read was referring to.
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