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2023-03-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Well now there's a problem.

Tucker has released video that pretty-much blows a hole in the entire January 6th narrative.  In fact, it blows it up, sets it alight and watches it burn to ash.

This is a serious problem for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the number of people sitting in prison -- or convicted on connived, false claims with no ability for their defense to access the evidence proving that in many cases they were escorted.

At worst most of these people are guilty of trespass, but even there you likely can't make it stick as trespass is voided if you're invited or chaperoned, and its quite clear that at least in some cases -- they are.

There's another problem too: The Brady decision by the USSC makes clear that the prosecution must turn over all evidence they have which exculpates a defendant.  It's not optional and it dates to 1963.  The violations here are severe and in fact it appears basically universal.

Indeed the definition of malicious prosecution is to bring a case before the court where you know the exculpatory evidence is so strong you'd never win a conviction and you intentionally withhold it from the defense.  That opens up the DOJ and even the individuals involved to personal liability.

I have no idea how the DOJ thought they'd get away with this indefinitely, but apparently they did think they would.

Well, not any more.

Now the question becomes if the government will not live to its own laws, what remains?

It's not a pleasant question to ponder, but ponder it we must, and the implications do not just extend to January 6th.


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Blanca 527 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2023-03-07 07:49:35

And once again, we find out that the government narrative has been one big lie, and numerous people have been rotting in prison and denied a fair trial with exculpatory evidence hidden from them.

Do we live in a free country - with liberty and justice for all?
Rporth 118 posts, incept 2016-09-28
2023-03-07 07:49:35

Lets watch . In light yet again of all this evidence,

Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-03-07 07:49:35

Nothing remains. Thats my answer. Its all dead and has been for a while.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
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Early_retirement 4k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-07 07:49:35

But, but, but they didnt want to disclose video for security reasons. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Fuckers need to burn.
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2023-03-07 07:49:35

you say want a revolution...

Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2023-03-07 08:00:23

Nothing remains. These people are political prisoners and we live in an evil and corrupt failing nation. Not only did the DOJ think they would get away with it, but I seem to recall a J6 Committee that thought they could get away with it too. When peaceful protest is made impossible... What remains is violent revolution. My guess is that the people will rise up when they are homeless and hungry.
Dingleberry 684 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-03-07 08:05:43

Apparently if they burned the place down and were wearing BLM or Antifa garb they would not only got off but paid for having their rights violated perhaps.

Welcome to the jungle.
Calrissian 143 posts, incept 2021-04-12
2023-03-07 08:24:37

As a distant spectator from the failed state of the UK, the USA show is very entertaining to watch. I can't wait for the season'5 finale.
Djsnola 342 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2023-03-07 08:28:29

Its clear this country has already crossed the rubicon and the people in charge dont care anymore because they have made so many of our fellow " citizens" compliant in this. One thing for sure that needs to happen is removing dc jurys from existence. No one on the governments hitlist can get a fair trial in that shithole. But save for that, republicans will need to return the favor and prosecute these people in the reddest of red areas.
Peterm99 9k posts, incept 2009-03-21
2023-03-07 08:36:41

Question is are the misdeeds/crimes committed by the committee and the prosecutors subject to civil legal actions or do they require criminal prosecution by Merrick Garland and his henchmen?

If the former, lotsa luck getting an unbiased judge and jury in the District of Criminals legal system. And if the latter, odds of vigorous prosecution of the miscreants are pretty damn low. Further, even if charges are filed, I would expect all of them to be settled via slap-on-wrist plea bargains - unlike in "normal" criminal organizations, the gov't criminals almost always protect each other.

". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance b
Frat 12k posts, incept 2009-07-15
2023-03-07 08:39:06

Early_retirement wrote..
But, but, but they didnt want to disclose video for security reasons. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Well hold on, that part IS correct.

They really ARE going to worry about their security now, as they should be. Cheney especially should be burnt in effigy, then not in effigy. Fuck Trump and fuck EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT WHO LET THE LIE LIVE.

And fuck us for not stringing up the bastards sooner.

We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
Winesorbet 962 posts, incept 2010-08-23
2023-03-07 08:39:12

Jan 6

Literally everything is a lie. Seriously, I don't understand how we hold together as a nation anymore. Enlightenment was a noble experiment which was actually working. But the flame is about to blown out.
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-07 08:38:54

They ARE subject to civil action @Peterm99, and there is no immunity if any of the persons involved stepped beyond their remit, which makes the liability PERSONAL.

The Brady ruling is not a suggestion; while it is not easy to pierce the liability shield it is not impossible and when organized action is involved, as appears to be the case here, that definitely appears to be in play.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Invisiblesun 689 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-03-07 08:53:03

I saw some broken windows. That is a crime deserving of 30 days in jail and payment for repairs.

Is there any video showing violence and threats taking place inside the Capitol? Does that evidence exist at all?

The J6 narrative is a complete lie and those who pushed it are absolute liars as well as horrible people who deserve all our scorn and derision.
Willychurnpike 26 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2023-03-07 08:53:12

My only knock on this story is: Why give it to Foxnews? Why not available to everyone?

It makes it too easy to smear as the "biased right"....

Maybe that's the point, but deep fakes and voice replication tech is horrifying to think about.

Also, I didn't like how there was no time stamps. I wanna know if Tuckers producers are jumping around.

This story is definitely worthy of a weeks worth of news cycle or more, but in clownworld?
Neal 289 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-03-07 08:53:27

So what happens now? Is money raised to hire lawyers to get convictions overturned, names cleared and compensation paid. Then those guilty of criminal misconduct sued in civil court and struck off from the bar? Then a broom sweeps through the system such this can never happen again.
Or will fuck all happen?
Evergreen 277 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-03-07 09:04:49

The simple truth of the matter is that the people live under a police state. Their lives are subject to the whims of lawmakers and enforcement by armed servants of the lawmakers.

A free people don't need an inward looking armed security apparatus and police presence anywhere close to this magnitude.

Any population that was a danger to its leadership would indicate that the leadership was not appropriate for the people OR the people are not deserving of leadership; i.e., let the citizens rot for they are not compatible with representative and civil, constitutional government.

But, bottom line, whenever management and citizenry are at odds, by definition the marriage is over, for it is a consensual arrangement wherein the citizenry ARE the superior party between the two, right or wrong. Alas, in this case, the citizenry are devolved to a point of being ungovernable (in the passive, classic sense of free men) and the management are predominantly thieving amoralists.
Bikemechanicdeux 1k posts, incept 2020-03-29
2023-03-07 09:05:02

The footage of window breaking and coming thru the door with no PO po, that is NOT the front of the capital. I believe that room is way off to the side but can lead in to the interior.

Tucker implied these people are the same as the ones at the Rally. That I believe is going and has been shown to be incorrect. Its a long distance from the Rally and the people that marched walked up on Chaos in progress out front. There were huge crowds already there.

The front door footage I hope he shows that tonight. Why did they open the doors, Is that an invite. If you think they broke into THOSE security doors. I would think again. Who exaclty opened those doors MR TUCKER. I am glad you are showing the footage (which is capital security footage). However you know DAMN well there is a ton of streaming footage captured that day. AND that footage does show the shooting of the shooting. I think some here may have seen it. So TUCKER get your FN facts straight, And to say security cameras did not catch it also. Really Tucker.

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Tsdj86 92 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-03-07 09:07:33

I see we're still trying to pretend as if America is governed by constitutional rule of law and possesses a culture of honorable people. LOL

The January 6th scapegoat's rotting in prison tells you all you need to know.

Truth is the United States is a failed state that is being held together by a dominant, but dying financial dollar based system and enough powerful military weapons to inflict global human devastation beyond the orbit of mars.

The deranged psychopath western elite in charge of the US and most western nations are going to nuke the world to stay in power and retain their construct of the banking/military hegemonic debt empire, and I see no one or any group of concerned citizens that are going to stop them from doing just that.

As a matter of fact most Americans are cheering it on.

It's neat to come here and use this forum as a venting mechanism, but it hasn't changed a thing and won't change a thing.

You might want to start thinking outside of the box and visualizing what the future might hold as a subversive to this freak-show, clown world when it all comes unglued.

Ewtnewbie2 251 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-03-07 09:07:48

Last night's viewing of some of the J6 video (remember, the producers picked what they wanted to show, just as much as the J6 Committee picked what it wanted to show) is a good start, but just points out the power of the media. Imagine if we didn't have a FOX news and it was all just MSNBC and CNN telling us their story. I think they ALL paint in their own color, and no media can be trusted any more.

I feel very bad for the "criminals" that are locked up over the J6 protests. The JUST-US system is corrupt, failed, and will be the fulcrum upon which this country breaks in my opinion. Once you start selectively prosecuting and not following the basic rules of discovery, the end is near. Very near.

I predicted a revolution many years ago in my youth, never did I believe I would be around to actually see it begin to unfold. Coming soon. As KD says, the fuse is in the box...no telling when she blows now!
Tickerguy 193k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-03-07 09:07:23

Oh there's plenty of selective release here @Bikemechanicdeux but that the footage was withheld from defendants is at this point documented fact.

There's trouble here and its not just with the Democrats either.

If you recall I warned people very clearly on my blog NOT to go to the Jan 6 stuff, and that if they did they were taking a very serious risk. It was already evident that Trump had refused to man up and thus there was utterly no purpose to that "rally" whatsoever from a standpoint of a "peaceful protest."

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Bzelbob 454 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-03-07 09:11:50

First the vaccines, then the masks, now Jan 6th...

The cracks in the dam are appearing and the waters of truth are starting to leak out.

The Flood is coming...

"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Invisiblesun 689 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-03-07 09:11:53

George Carlin's first rule to live by:
I don't believe anything the government tells me.
Kennington 393 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2023-03-07 09:17:30

Another part of the narrative was the 42-year-old cop Brian Sicknick that supposedly had been struck on the head with a fire extinguisher from the rioters.

The officer can clearly be seen very much alive and putting away signs in the video at a time he was supposed to be dead. On April 19, just a couple months later, the medical examiner, Dr. Francisco J. Diaz, determined that Sicknick died from two strokes at the base of his brain caused by a blood clot in the artery that feeds that part of the body yet the narrative of cops getting killed that day is still prevalent.

The other element that previously had not been disclosed was that he was a Trump supporter...
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