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2023-01-22 11:30 by Karl Denninger
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Clott Adams has apparently recanted -- well, sort of.

Note the quote though: "The anti-vaxxers clearly won."

Naw, he hasn't recanted.  He's still calling the ones who "won" by pejoratives, intentionally-so.

I argue that he's just pissed off that he may be fucked and there's nothing he can do about it, that the VSAFE data which the CDC deliberately refused to release until they were sued (showing a seven percent serious adverse event rate, which incidentally matches roughly with what Rasmussen polled at and therefore can't be called "doctored") only catches the immediate bad things, so it therefore must understate the harms by some amount since that which hasn't happened yet is obviously unknowable and the premise of having a one-in-14 or worse Sword of Damocles hanging over your head tends to produce a crap-ton of anxiety and is certainly not implicated in promoting deep, restorative sleep.

One who goes to the gallows while calling the person who caught him by pejorative labels instead of contritely admitting "I did an evil thing, those who caught me did a righteous thing, for my evil act I deserve just punishment and accept it humbly, realizing that all I have left is to supplicate myself before St. Peter" deserve nothing but permanent derision.

They're not admitting anything except that they were caught and are pissed off that they were caught and thus can no longer hide behind obfuscation and bullshit.

Wake me up when any of these people actually exhibit something that could reasonably be called contrition.  I have an entire list of said people who were formerly in my orbit that I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire.


Scott could have instead apologized for the "anti-vaxxer" pejorative and publicly listed every person who he blocked for same while unblocking them and asking (but not expecting) forgiveness.  I know very few people who refused the jab and viewed their decision as anything other than a risk:benefit calculation which, by the own determination and metric, fell on the "more risk than benefit" side.  As it turned out by the data even from the coroner in NYC or the CDC themselves only the very old AND seriously morbid -- their risk of death from infection was approximately five percent -- had any possibility of benefit outweighing harm.

Calling someone a name because their calculation differs from yours when neither of you can conclusively prove your calculation is correct for any individual case is malicious -- every time, without exception, period.

Indeed such a question is always objectively reasonable given that drug companies have repeatedly been caught gaming said trials, have paid billions in fines yet not one of said persons has ever gone to prison or been executed for it and thus as soon as you find such statistical holes, never mind a mechanism of serious harm you're crazy to believe anything they tell you in regard to that until and unless that risk has been run to the ground.  This very same BS was run with Vioxx (killed 60,000 and was ultimately withdrawn) and Gardisil (only protected against one of the HPV strains, has a potential to cause Guillain-Barre that can cripple or kill, the disease is sexually transmitted thus in virtually every case is a consequence of a consensual adult act never mind pushing it on boys when it carried zero benefit in reducing their risk of cervical cancer for obvious reasons yet they too might get hit with serious systemic harm.)

Said mechanism of serious potential harm was known before the shots were rolled out and was intentionally swept under the rug.  That the original three month trials in the fall of 2020 had more deaths in the treatment than the placebo arm was known and again intentionally swept under the rug as "not statistically meaningful."  That this was intentionally ignored instead of being publicly and widely exposed and debated including the mechanism by which severe and fatal harm could occur was proved in the early summer of 2021 when said study was peer-reviewed before mandates and that the specific mechanism of said potential harm was known in December of 2020 and intentionally buried was also clear at that point because said study was published as a pre-print at that time.

I wrote on it at the time and it cemented for me what was up until that point a clear and obvious fact: You can't know what takes time to show up until the time passes, and the reason it takes 10+ years to qualify these sort of therapies in an honest system is that you can't know what will happen in 10 years until ten years passes unless you possess a time machine.

The entire reason that attempting to use "vaccination" (even if it does work, and in this case time has proved it doesn't) against an emerging pathogen is stupid is that it is not possible to qualify the countermeasure in terms of both positive and negative effect over time.  You therefore are demanding that the public accept unknown and unknowable risks in trade for an unknown and unknowable degree of protection over an unknown period of time.

While making such a proposed countermeasure available with all the data on the table for individual assessment upon each person's individual circumstance is a rational thing to do in the face of an emergent biological threat to advocate that others do so, to promote it, to obfuscate any of the possible alternatives, to in any way suppress anecdotes or data on the harms or otherwise try to sway others is a serious moral, ethical and in fact damn well ought to be a criminal violation and, if it results in deaths (and in this case it did) you should hang for it particularly when you are proved wrong and refuse to apologize.


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Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-22 11:58:05

If I'm fit and perfectly healthu, why would I take any therapeutic if it had any chance above zero of severe side effects? This doesn't make any sense at all. If it is not broken, why fix it?

Its all in the mitochondria
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-22 12:03:11

Well that depends on the level of the threat @Ableardlindsey. Polio, for example, is a very real disease and can fuck you HARD. It usually doesn't, but "usually" is not "very rare" or even "rare" -- its rather common that it DOES fuck you.

Its FAR more dangerous than, for example, the 1 or 2 in a million risk that the OPV (which I was given and would take today if I hadn't had it) will revert into the nasty virus in your gut and nail you. We used the IPV first in the US to put another zero or so on THAT risk, successfully-so, but no longer use the OPV component even though IPV alone is non-sterilizing because the rate of circulation of polio in the US is low enough that the danger of getting it from a "typhoid mary" who got IPV-only before you can choose a non-sterilizing protection FOR YOURSELF is arguably smaller than the risk of the additional second element in the sequence.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Kf7psm 68 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-22 12:20:19

Back in late November, Pfizer quietly announced entering Phase 1 trials for a new covid mRNA shot, this one not based on the spike protein, but instead based on the viruss other protiens i.e. nucleocapsid. Karl, I remember you had mentioned the reason the coded for the Spike is because the nucleocapsid has been tried in the past and failed completely killing the hosts. The shitstorm continues.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-22 12:22:33

Actually @Kf7psm it was whole-protein vaccination attempts against other coronaviruses, including animals. The human attempts never made it out of animal trials, and the animal ones all failed, most of them killing the animals under test when they were exposed to the "live" pathogen as a challenge.

Challenge trials are not done in humans; getting through ethics on those is basically impossible. Thus you HAVE TO run all the exhaustion trials in animals of this sort because you'll never be able to do them in people and any indication of trouble during said animal trials is an instant, full-stop because IF it happens it has to be presumed to be a permanent impairment.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Evergreen 255 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-01-22 12:49:28

He said his fancy analytics got him to "a bad place", and the plebe heuristics worked.

Same kind of phenomenon applies in business with the modern MBA and the old school closely held ownership philosophy. The latter is a long term, skin in the game approach to keeping a business in the game with productive, engaged employees and least disruption from turnover. The former is an agnostic bottom line approach that, in practice, makes no accounting for ethics or morals or the psychological welfare of employees, nor does it typically emphasize long term profitability and continuity of operations when faced with short term hurdles. Point being, the American experience is saturated with expert authoritarianism.

His analytics place undue weight upon "expert opinion". Therein lies the fundamental problem. That is why science and medicine are supposed to be properly rooted in demonstration and not declaration.

The plebe heuristic was looking to demonstration, and any declaration must not run counter to a well-conditioned life experience:
Patient and doctor conversation, March 2020...
--Doc, I don't want to end up on a ventilator (FDA regulated, no proof of efficacy) as a default treatment plan. I'd like to try that HQC (FDA regulated, no proof of efficacy) as a prophylactic.
--Oh, NO! It will be the end of you! It causes heart attacks.
--Oh, didn't hear about that. Hmm. Ok, well, I'm going to the tropics next month. Do I need shots or anything?
--Oh, well, in that case, here's a prophylactic prescription for HCQ since you're going to a malaria zone. Have a good trip.

And Adams trusts this doctor.
Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2023-01-22 12:51:29

There's one short but important word missing in your last paragraph: BUT.

Middle segment should read: a rational thing to do in the face of an emergent biological threat. But to advocate that others do so, to promote it, to obfuscate...

Or you could even skip the "but" so long as you insert a period and start a new sentence: the face of an emergent biological threat. To advocate that others do so, to promote it, to obfuscate...
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2023-01-22 12:51:33

He bought his ticket, he's ready TO TAKE THE RIDE!
Drifter 1k posts, incept 2016-02-11
2023-01-22 12:51:37

Fuck Adams and his admission.

How many people read his shit and decided to get jabbed?

I see the new PM of NZ intends to hunt down the unvaxxed. Crazy evil. This isn't about covid anymore.

Clare Craig said something interesting on twitter that I didn't think of: "Remember that australia did not have significant covid when Europe and the USA did. Yet everywhere has cardiac excess deaths at the same time."

There ya go.

Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-22 12:51:50

Well that depends on the level of the threat @Ableardlindsey. Polio, for example, is a very real disease and can fuck you HARD.

I agree with you. But even in March of '20 it was clear that Covid-19 constituted no such threat to anyone who was even remotely healthy.

Its all in the mitochondria
Sonoran_monk 2k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2023-01-22 12:51:54

Tickerguy wrote..
getting through ethics on those is basically impossible

It seems to help when your wife is Chief of the Bioethics Department at the NIH.

Adams is such a weasel. He's still going with the you were only right by accident because I'm smarter than everyone angle. How did that work out for you Scotty?

Bonus points if he strokes out on one of his livestream rants.
Drifter 1k posts, incept 2016-02-11
2023-01-22 12:52:03

Never forget how evil big pharma is. From Zyklon B, on down the line.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-22 12:52:09

And yet the bastards still breath air. Go figure.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
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Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-22 12:52:18

@Heartlander I think it reads fine as it stands...

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-22 13:08:27

Thats the other thing about that there hpv bullshit for boys too. My childrens pediatrician years back tried to get my sons to get it. Like 6 years ago. Havent been back since. I mean if you cant see what thats about. Jeez.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
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Querant 498 posts, incept 2021-09-19
2023-01-22 13:13:29


"This isn't about covid anymore."

It was always about controlling the herd.
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-22 13:32:45

I see the new PM of NZ intends to hunt down the unvaxxed.

Where did you see this?

Its all in the mitochondria
Budxr7 135 posts, incept 2009-07-08
2023-01-22 14:00:56

He is getting slammed on Twitter and is pulling down tweets as fast as he puts them up. Hes a soar loser. Hes the kid who spits in his hand after losing and says good game.

Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
Phils 185 posts, incept 2018-02-07
2023-01-22 14:01:11

The life plans of so many people are being altered to the downside.

Rather than admit that they made or were conned into making a life altering bad decision,
it's easier to just blame the unvaccinated for their problems.

The government and big business still want to control the narrative, but we're past that now.

It's a good time for talk radio to find one or two medical psychologists or psychiatrists
to start a show dedicated to discussions on covid-19 and the vaccines.

Everyone that took the vaccines needs to go through of those "come to Jesus" events to deal with their vaccine altered lives.
Kareninca 610 posts, incept 2011-08-23
2023-01-22 14:02:00

Adams was utterly terrified, so he couldn't reason well. Now he's angry. He has the anger of someone attacked (and possibly injured), and the anger of someone fooled. And he is smart enough to see exactly how he was fooled, which makes it all that much more painful. I hope that he uses some of his anger to investigate the countless vaccine and pandemic lies and to seek justice. Of course, it will be too late for the damaged people.

Naturally he is angry at "anti-vaxxers" for being right. His pride is hurt.
Jesjohn94 1k posts, incept 2019-05-07
2023-01-22 14:02:08

I don't think we're anywhere close to winning. The comments of one private individual mean nothing. Watching that highly edited video of him it does seem like he is concerned about his risk of future health issues as a jabbed person. The criminals are all the authority figures around the world who played active roles in this mess and they will NEVER allow the dangers to be acknowledged and acted upon. I seriously doubt we will make them as the power of the state is god like. Journalism doesn't exist anymore and there's no political opposition. It is the jabbed who need to rise up as they are the ones affected.
Airrage1 9 posts, incept 2022-05-09
2023-01-22 14:02:47

KD is definitely the Man. A go-to without rival.

While Clot is an idiot, he did stumble upon something of value: that following the "science" (AKA unassailable, fabricated "truth" from the TPTB) utterly failed in comparison to the underlying approach of the "anti-vaxxers".

In other words, as many have clearly forgotten, healthy skepticism- aided by the evolution of real science (questioning, testing, questioning again, re-testing, etc.)- is a much more powerful force for good than anything else.

Has this Nation not learned anything from the opioid crisis which is a product of this same psychopathic network of big pharma, corrupt regulators, media, "health care providers", ET. AL?

In my view, I hold those who continuously quoted the bogus "science" as mentally retarded, psychologically weak, and, now, biologically f$%%#ed.

They brought us closer to real fascism than most realize.

It is only pity I have for them now. I won't wish them bad or well. Nor will I offer empathy or forgiveness for their clotted souls.
Punch_rockgroin 3k posts, incept 2008-12-31
2023-01-22 14:05:59

Here's one

I want to see teeth flying as someone is beaten with a cast iron dildo hidden in a sock.
Bluto 2k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2023-01-22 14:06:07

Fuck Clott Adams.

I watched that video clip you posted. He is still so smug and arrogant. Even while he admitting he lost, he said he lost using "analytics", while we won by using "heuristics". In other words, he is still smarter than us, we just got lucky. Guess he didn't bother reading the countless studies and research papers you posted here over the last 2+ years.

As for us winning, I've got news for Clott Adams. The "winning" is just beginning.

We haven't yet seen any long term effects from the clot shots yet (since it has not been "long" since the clot shots were introduced). They are more-likely-than-not coming.

We have seen proof of significant changes in the immune system, specifically in regards to a several-orders-of-magnitude shift towards IgG4 tolerating antibodies in the boosted. We don't know how this will impact them yet, but my bet is "badly".

We haven't yet seen the significant labor arbitrage the unvaxxed will possess. If you are healthy and unvaxxed, you have a massive advantage over your vaxxed colleagues. And now, because of the actions of the last 2 years, you know your value.

Consider the following scenario. As a high-performer, you work with 3 other "average" workers who sucked the clot-shot dick. One "died suddenly", so your boss has to hire a replacement. However, you know that one of the other employees is vaxxed-damaged and less productive, and is even considering leaving on disability. The other average employee is taking a lot of time off to care for a clot-shot-injured relative.

Do you know you much leverage you have now? In the past, our "high-performing" employee probably would have been content to pick up another 50% of the workload for a 3% raise so they would be consider a "good employee". After two years of threats, isolation, coercion, and badgering, our high-performer's attitude is now "fuck you".

It isn't a question of whether or not he asks for a raise, the question is "how much of a raise does he ask for?". 50% 75%?

Oh, and our high-performing employee took the last 2 years to get out of debt and adopt a frugal lifestyle. He might even ask for a clean double of his salary. If he gets it, great. If not, he joins the VIP program. And if fired, so what? That is no big loss either. Win-win-win.

And by the way, this leverage is by no means a linear function.... And this is just one example, but could easily be a thread of its own.

"You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end -- which you can never afford to lose -- with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-22 14:09:56

Yep. Ticker on that in queue..

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
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