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Metalqueen 251 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-01-21 16:32:02

@Nicus

Yep a whole other roll of foil indeed!

I am getting ready to take a trip down a serious rabbit hole with a book that posits a relationship between the CIA and Charles Manson. I do not regard that as in any way out of the question. Squeaky Fromme and her attempt on Ford certainly fit into that.

I am definitely more smiley than our host, but he is right in that the known facts in regards to Nixon and Watergate speak for themselves
Kontrolkaos 159 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-01-21 16:32:15

Many different aspects of this.

I did not know Woodward was a former spook who then got a job at the Post and was immediately placed on its biggest story: the Watergate break-in. Wow to that one.

It's interesting they used that to get Nixon out when the real reason(s) for getting him out were hidden or minimized. But no doubt the liberal intelligentsia class piled on. Hillary, for instance, was on one of the committees working on the impeachment charges. I now believe Nixon was pardoned in order to muzzle him; that was the one way they could control what got out.

Same strategy with other takedowns: get them on some other offence while the really bad stuff goes unaddressed. Like they got Cuomo on the sexual harassment so they wouldn't have to dredge up the nursing home death sentences. Other examples abound. Once one sees this happening, it's damn hard to unsee it. So it is with Biden: they're using the classified documents as an excuse to take him down while the real crap doesn't get addressed.

Kamala will need to be pushed aside as well; she is not likeable let alone electable. So there will be something Agnew-style coming for her. And then what? We will have another unelected president AND vice president situation. Only it will be manipulated so that they or their chosen successor wins in '24.

Sidebar: I'm not sure just who organized JFK's assassination, but I am sure there was at least one other shooter besides Oswald. That magic bullet theory has always sounded like bullshit to me. There was a reference in the 2017 document drop to a pair of bullet holes in the original limo windshield which was replaced before the limo was released to forensics. Only the fringe people noticed that one and it was picked up by Zero Hedge, then never discussed again so back into the memory hole that went.
Sonoran_monk 2k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2023-01-21 17:53:44

The whole is it a conspiracy angle rests on the definition. Is it planning by more than one person toward a specific goal? Obviously we know that exists. Is it a singular mastermind who has carefully orchestrated every detail causing each thing to happen in turn like an elaborate worldwide Rube Goldberg machine? Probably not.

Different groups with similar goals or operating under similar incentives can appear to have coordinated patterns. Some of it is flocking/schooling behavior, some of it is patterns in clouds or tea leaves.

Sometimes it is patterns in chaos, sometimes it is assholes.
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2023-01-21 17:53:59

There are a lot of people who have said Nixon should have called a press conference and burned the tapes.

Actually, Oswald had an Italian Carcano 6.5 mm he bought for $12 mail order. The gun they showed wasn't his. The Warren Commission reads like a broken record. One of the best sleeping aids I ever possessed. Ford was another rat I voted for. He was mentioned in a very controversial book I have or did have. Another CIA creation.

Arlen Spector was also on the Warren Commission, as was Alan Dulles and a Senator from Alabama I can't recall his name, but still there in the 1990's.

Of course most of Texas was Democrat, but I don't recall Nixon being that popular. The press hated him. He sold out to Rockefeller to get elected in 68. I have read Henry Kissinger actually ran the plumbers. Kissenger was either Nelson or David Rockefeller's personal secretary and John Mitchell their lawyer. Nixon won big in 1972 because McGovern was a big time socialist at the time, including guaranteed minimum income and the economy was roaring.

Winding down Vietnam (there is a lot CIA involved in that mess, including creating the antiwar movement), Nixon also closed the gold window, which was a big piece of the economic destabilization we saw in the 1972-1982 period. China was the third thing, but contrary to what I saw earlier, there wasn't much trade with China prior to the early 90's. Investing in a risk free 10% to 16% envirionment and pricy labor took down US manufacturing. With gold gone, there was no longer a means to balance international settlements. China did more to blow up Japan than the US. Japan still hasn't recovered their 1990 high in their stock market.

Every shooting of a President in the US besides maybe Lincoln was done by a lone nut. That never happens in other countries. Don't forget Reagan, who was induced to take on Bush, a CIA man himself. Reagan was constantly chewed on by the press. I think had Trump not been a rich man, they would have taken him out as well. Think a man of his worth isn't always a potential target of kidnapping? He knew plenty about security before he showed up. I have no doubt in my mind the permanent government was involved in rigging the 2020 election.

Why Biden? Biden acts as if he actually got elected. He is a bumbling old fool and he is talking about running again. He has been living like a king the past several years and there is no telling who in DC is involved in his crimes. Biden is blabbing about getting re-elected and I think they were done with him the day they rigged the show to get rid of Trump.

The National Security network might be the only thing more dangerous to the People of the US than out actual outside enemies. Woodward isn't the only CIA skunk in the MSM. It is more likely they are than they aren't. Anderson and Madcow are no doubt CIA, Cooper admitting it. The CIA isn't there for us, but the hidden elite. Cooper is the son of Gloria Vanderbilt. The DC scene is a stage act for public consumption and I think they have the apparatus to convince the sheep in the US to make and eat shit sandwiches. John Prine said to blow up the TV, throw away the paper. It was a joke in the early 70's and the song was about a young guy fleeing to Montreal.

I think we saw enough classified documents over Trump Russia to know classified means they committed crimes quite often. Russia was a bunch of bullshit they lied about for 3 years and should not have made it to the 2016 election. Like Trump or not, it was a crime against the people of the country. I suspect much of what Trump walked out with were the documents behind this bullshit. He has said repeatedly he caught them all. Think he don't have some copies somewhere. 18 months for Trump. 6 years for Biden. Did the National archives lose their checkout list?

All this escapades revolves around the war in Ukraine. I think they knew Biden would start this war and I suspect they realize we can't arm them. Biden cashed a lot of checks here and I suspect stole a lot of money in Ukraine. It is likely the State Department players got their cut. Trump would have stopped that war and I think the Deep State needs an enemy and now that they have one, they don't want to push it too far. Biden and likely the Clinton's and maybe Bush associates have a lot of skeletons in that closet. That war is now getting dangerous and the US is doing nothing but destroying Ukraine. Russia has a supply line and capacity to produce arms. Russia is somewhat of an industrial power today, while the US has destroyed theirs. I think that is why they mutter the atomic option, unheard of in the past. In fact, this is all about Ukraine, the subject of these files, which aren't top secret information, but top secret crimes.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2023-01-21 18:15:32

@Kontrolkaos: Biden is a doddering old fool. Kamala is a moron on the order of the impossible. They don't want the people of the US to see who they are shovelling into office in the USA. To say this woman is anything more than a social justice creation is stretching it. But to realize they made her Attorney General of the most populous State in the US, Senator and then VP has to raise questions about selecting our politicians. Maybe in her younger day she could have been an executive Secretary for purposes other than filing. I could see her making reckless decisions. I think Biden would already be gone, if not for Harris. The question is, other than incompetence, what do they have on her to remove her. I don't see her as a criminal, in the Biden mold. Then again, HRC used the cackle to distract when asked about her crimes.

Both removed, we get to McCarthy. Is this why they didn't replace him? Putting a Republican label in the White House would get rid of Trump and blame the Republicans for the deterioration we are going to see in the economy. If China isn't finished yet, inflation is going to come roaring back. China is an overbuilt bubble and has been for a decade. They could make it up by moving 20% of their economy to paying their labor to consume their output, but there is a limit to how much excess capacity one can build. We haven't seen a real price on Petroleum for some time between the draining of the reserve and the China shutdown. The EU and NATO jokers seem to think they can force Russia to sell oil at a reduced price, but it is quite possible the world will be begging to buy it at any price. Presidents and parties rarely survive the economy going to crap with their man on top.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Thegreatunwashed 274 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-01-21 22:45:33

Clot Adams update; he deserves some credit, he admits the anti-vaxxes won. That is more than most have done. https://twitter.com/scottadamssays/statu....

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I will have NO survivor's guilt, except a bit of shame for all my Schadenfreude.
Cvdoc 539 posts, incept 2009-06-11
2023-01-21 22:45:41

I am the child of two deep state operatives. I too remember watching Nikons resignation with both my parents. Neither of my parents were surprised. My father especially really liked Kennedy. Lots of people wanted him dead. I also heard that Kennedy refused Israeli request for weapons grade uranium. LBJ did it shortly after becoming President.

Tucker laid out the truth but perhaps incomplete. Is it a limited hangout. Could be. But he spoke more truth in that segment than Ive heard on any network in 20 years.

Democracy died when Kennedy was killed. One has to realize that agencies like the CIA last generations and collect information on people. They use it when needed. No one gets elected to meaningful public office who isnt compromised.

Biden has served his purpose. It will likely be DeSantis and Newsome. Ask yourselves about what was DeSantis doing when he was a naval JAG for SEALS in Faluja. That is what they have on him. The Republicans will also put up Pence, Haley and Pompeo. Each appeal to a different group in the party. But it will DeSantis. DeSantis wont announce until Trump drops out.

Notice DeSantis has said nothing about Ukraine. Likely waiting to see where things stand after he announces.

Sorry hodgepodge of items. But you get the idea. Its all kabuki theater.

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Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master.
Sallust
Evergreen 258 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-01-21 22:46:38

Mannfm11,

What has always been amazing is how the insiders play ball.

Trump had a massive movement and could have dealt with a Pelosi to such a degree that she got the world and then some in return for concessions to Trump. Trump signed bills for lots of $. Said he wouldn't do it again, but he did it at least once.

What has transpired in Trump's absence that is a world-winner for the liberals? All around the world, recession and inflation and harder times. To what end? Where is the profit to the lib elite? The first world turns to second and third while they score a buck? How could life be better if you're behind an amped up security detail making your way back to the Upper East Side Sh*tville for your R&R? It isn't. Contrast that with overseeing relative prosperity more broadly distributed but also getting your outsized cut? How twisted does one have to be to declare that alternative outcome the poorer of the two?

So, over to Harris. She probably wilts under the intense light and focus, having a meltdown or becoming a nervous wreck incapable of even Biden-lite duties. Her out would probably be a negotiated exit wherein she saves face for both herself and her diversity-in-politics demographic so that they can rationalize her departure: non-vaxx vaxx-related health issues.

But, what to gain? Why, McCarthy!

He's the next president. Why? Because, he becomes the '24 incumbent and with one or two years in office is able to demonstrate the necessary chops and sufficient policy PR to fend off a Trump challenge--certainly to split the base. Imagine Trump trying to displace President McCarthy, the guy Trump recommended for leadership, at the RNC nomination! Ha. McCarthy displaces Trump for all time, the turtle jiggles in delight, and the game goes on with a controllable insider gently leaning on the tiller while proclaiming how hard he's driving it. To close the deal, the dems bring the middle left in for the make-up vote--or steal it outright--to sideline the MAGA crowd. Besides, when the Party closes ranks, it makes no difference party affiliation.

Entirely believable. Maybe the dems finally came around and said, yeah, those republicans can have the lead for now, so long as we get ours in the deal.
Thegreatunwashed 274 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-01-21 22:47:14

Having now listened to his entire podcast, I withdraw any credit i gave to Clot Adams Although he admits the anti-jabbers have won, he disputes that it had anything to do with any evaluation that they made, rather they just made the lucky choice. He also is pushing the idea that the VAX is only worse because at this point it appears vaccine injuries are a bigger deal than Long Covid and, I guess, somehow he thinks the vaccine prevents it or at least makes it less likely. It is also clear that he knows nothing about the IgG4 issue.

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I will have NO survivor's guilt, except a bit of shame for all my Schadenfreude.
Rporth 114 posts, incept 2016-09-28
2023-01-21 22:47:31

TG. Love u tons. Yet with the deep state

NOTHING. EVER. HAPPENS

I hope and pray something does. Yet until it does

NOTHING HAS HAPPENED
Ee4fire 816 posts, incept 2011-03-24
2023-01-21 22:47:40

@Pinwiz

Much of what you say is very possible. There are a lot of things going on behinds the scenes we the US public have no idea is happening.

None of what our gov't is doing or allowing makes much sense, unless the point is to change this country as a whole. We become more like socialist "democracy" and only the chosen have the wealth. The average citizen is a drone and will be happy because the intellectual elite are in control. You will own nothing and like it!

The World Economic Forum is the "intellectuals" telling us we know what is better for you. The Deep State is just an offshoot of this mentality. It is a crap sandwich wrapped in a tasty looking meal. It has one world gov't written all over it. In order for the one world gov't to become reality the USA and the Constitutional rights provided to all citizens must be done away with. Just looking at this WEF propaganda video and if you have half a brain you can read between the lines of what this means, but it sounds wonderful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16vVIzxp....

https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-....

All of the session were recorded, so you can see/hear for yourselves what they are saying.

History is full of this preaching and it doesn't seem to end well for the average human. Meritocracy is replaced with equity. You will notice in all this WEF propaganda God or a creator is not mentioned. It is experts and technology making all the decisions. A new morality is needed and the values preached in the Bible do not fit in this reset.

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(Politicians), 536 commoditized temple monkeys pawing through the ruins of America in search of bribes. (The District of Corruption) works like a vending machine. You put coins in the slot, select yo
Eleua 21k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2023-01-22 09:33:40

@Cvdoc

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Lots of people wanted him dead. I also heard that Kennedy refused Israeli request for weapons grade uranium. LBJ did it shortly after becoming President.


I think we have a winner.




From Ron Unz (a based Jew, who should be on everyone's reading list)

American Pravda: The JFK Assassination, Part I - What Happened?

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda....

American Pravda: The JFK Assassination, Part II Who Did It?

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda....




From Vincent James, at RED ELEPHANTS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8sOyBAzkQ....






As for LBJ, I think he was at least cognizant of the events that were about to unfold. Israel knew they had him. Ask why? Always ask why?

Why would a CLEAR act of war, with no wiggle room whatsoever, be INSTANTLY covered up by a president that was not squeamish about sending people off to war?

If you do nothing else with eleven and a half minutes of your life, watch the following by Devon Stack.

From Devon Stack at BLACKPILLED




I wonder if Kennedy saying that "The Jews are always lying to us" (regarding their staged nuke plant) had anything to do with it?

I wonder if Nixon saying essentially the same thing had anything to do with him being forced out?

I wonder if Jim Trafficant naming the Jew on national TeeVee (Greta/Hannity) resulted in his non-heart attack "heart attack" that caused his tractor to flip over in his pole barn, crushing him, and leaving no blunt trauma evidence?


Nahhh...nothing to see here.

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Diversity + proximity = WAR

-They wanted camps; I want ropes.
Californialost 119 posts, incept 2021-10-14
2023-01-22 09:34:19

When I first read about the Kennedy assassination conspiracy in 1982-3(?), I asked my dad about it. He said he thought some group of people, CIA, Mafia, FBI, Army, all of the above, had killed Kennedy and then forced Nixon to resign. I didn't understand what he meant at the time, but he thought it was the Bad Guys (Deep State) telling both parties who was in charge.

Dad also told me it didn't really matter, in the end, who killed Kennedy. We were the peasants and the royalty have killed each other for all of history. Our lot in life is to be trampled every once in a while, try not to let it kill you.

I don't understand the timing of Tucker's news, but I think it has to do with the fact that there are some proUSA groups at the CIA (they run guys like Musk) and they are fighting against the WEF and the Chinese-bought Dems and Repubs. At least that is what I tell myself. After the last three years, maybe the lizard people killed Kennedy and they just like to torture us for fun.
Tickticktick 191 posts, incept 2008-11-23
2023-01-22 09:34:38

If only I were a Hindu goddess;
For then I could do 20 facepalms,
All at the same time.

- ancient Hindu prayer that I just made up


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The limp-waisted marxist press hated Nixon with a passion because he helped put one of their fellow travelers, Alger Hiss, in the slammer.

Well........no. Here, let me explain how the world works.

The USA's real government......who are the financiers of the government, a/k/a the Federal Reserve, especially the NY branch.......along with their hired prostitutes....the politicians and bureaucrats.....create money for basically free and then use this money for 2 purposes: (a): to build the strongest military in the world (to "bring democracy" to anyone who doesn't want to use their money), and (b): and to purchase real things.....goods, foreign mercenaries, domestic and foreign politicians, etc....with that free-to-them money that appears out of nowhere.

This is the core game, everything else is just a footnote.

Anything or anyone who wishes to interrupt this system is an existential threat. "Interrupt" means anyone who wants to calm relationships with potential enemies (real or created) or who wishes to disrupt this monetary system (since the 2 go hand-in-hand). Thus Kennedy had to go, since he didn't take the bait to invade Cuba, wasn't gung-ho to get balls-deep into SE Asia, and actually collaborated/cooperated with Khrushchev to calm the waters (removing US missiles from Turkey).

Those are unpardonable sins. He had to go. He was going to upset the applecart, and muck up their gravy-train, and cripple their stranglehold on this great milking-cow of a republic.

We'll get to the "who shot Kennedy?" thing in just a moment........


NIXON, as you may recall, ran on a promise to end the war in Vietnam, which by 1968, was beginning to really get under the skin of the public. Remember the Chicago Democratic Convention of that year? Ah, how I miss those halcyon days......

And, since he conveniently engineered the 3rd (yes, 3rd, count them if you dare) bankruptcy of the USA by closing the gold window in 1971.....to keep the "print paper for free and trade those for the aformentioned 'real things' with the rest of the world" racket rolling along.....he was given a pass for the 1972 election (which he won by the largest margin ever in a presidential election) until he actually made good on his promise to end the Vietnam War......uh-oh, taboo, taboo! You do not EVER upset the gravy train, and if you do.......you're outta there, one way or another.


Poor Ronnie Raygun, he didn't get the full memo and actually had the audacity to suggest that maybe going back to a gold-standard would be something worth studying, and commissioned a study (headed by Ron Paul, yes, him.....) and soon there-after the son of good friends of Neil Bush (brother of George Sr., Reagan's VP, former head of some agency) almost killed Reagan in order to "show his love for Jody Foster".....there must have been a competition going on with the spin-doctors to see just how ridiculous and stupid a message/excuse that the public would accept, and this one is a real standout in the history of that noble art, and goes to show just how unbelievably stupid the "public" is.


Donald Trump fired a few perfunctory missiles into the empty desert in Syria, showing off to Xi and winning gushy, oozing praise from both sides of the political aisle. He then proceeded to attempt to build relationships with North Korea and Russia, end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, all of which again are verboten, as they get the sacred apples rolling around precariously in the cart. He also knew a lot of the dirt on who killed Kennedy, and somehow some interesting photos of Ted Cruz's father got published in the National Enquirer as a "warning shot over the bow", which I'm sure sent the "6-ways to Sunday" crowd into an apoplectic tizzy and cemented his fate.


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Then again, there's compelling evidence against Oswald. He owned the Mannlicher Carcano rifle found in the Book Depository.

No there's not. In fact, there's overwhelming.....that's much more than mere "compelling" evidence, by the way......evidence of no direct link between Oswald and that rifle, just a made-up set of stories. Here, you can read all about it at:

https://harveyandlee.net/

as there's a nice brief summary near the bottom of the home page, and since of course a few short paragraphs aren't going to convince any "true believers", then maybe sinking your teeth into this info might be a bit more persuasive:

https://harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifl....

and if still you want to argue against the how the "Oswald's" "payment" for the rifle wasn't a complete fabrication, well, then go right ahead and argue to your heart's content:

https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/PMO/Money_....


P.S. one of the first Dallas police officers that arrived on the 6th floor of the school book depository identified the weapon as a 7.5 Mauser, not a WW1-issue Italian-surplus Mannlicher-Caracano.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nuloZxe....


P.S. the Altgens6 photograph is hard to explain, yes?


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The evidence is also overwhelming that Oswald left the depository after the shooting, went to his apartment, retrieved his revolver and then shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit in Oak Cliff, not far from the theater where he was arrested.

No it's not. In fact, it's overwhelming (i.e. witness testimony, event reconstruction, etc.) that he had nothing to do with Tippit's murder, either.

https://harveyandlee.net/November/Novemb....

https://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving....



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Lastly - how did Nixon learn who killed Kennedy? When the assassination happened in November 1963, Nixon was a private citizen. Did someone in the CIA leak it to him? Or did he learn it when he took office in 1969? Or, perhaps he (like many others) simply surmised that the CIA killed Kennedy.

You realize that Nixon was in Dallas that day, correct?


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Something Tucker leaves out is that on June 23, 1972, six days after the Watergate break-in, Nixon met with his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman. In that conversation, Nixon asked Haldeman to go to Richard Helms, head of the CIA and get him to obstruct the FBI's fledgling Watergate investigation. Nixon told Haldeman, "Say, Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing..." Most people believe that what Nixon means by the "Bay of Pigs thing" is the Kennedy assassination.

And that sentence was uttered just after a discussion about E. Howard Hunt, the "supervisor" of so many lovely episodes in recent history: Bay of Pigs, Kennendy, Watergate, probably mucho else.

Don't forget that Tricky Dick was VP under Eisenhower and it's been rumored that he was actually involved in the initial planning and operations (with Hunt and others) about the B-O-Pigs, so perhaps he knows full well about why the "Watergate" investigation was something that shouldn't occur: it would expose both November 1963 and his involvement in the BOPigs ops....two things that were not well-regarded by the public. Tricky was covering his own dirty dicky as much as he was covering up the realities of the Kennedy hit.


A slight diversion here:

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Daniel Ellsberg lit the fuse that exploded as "Watergate" with his release of the "utterly useless" Pentagon Papers. Without Ellsberg, there would have been no "Plumbers," and there would have been no Watergate.

At all relevant times, Ellsberg had "higher than Top Secret" clearances. In league with two of the major CIA Operation Mockingbird mouthpieces, the New York Times and the Washington Post, Ellsberg leaked the documents with the singular knowing intention of getting E. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy moved into position in the White House and Nixon administration in order to launch the CIA hoax that the world knows as "Watergate."

A key part of the scheme was for the CIA to work with Hunt and Liddy to stage a phony "break-in" in September 1971 at the office of CIA-linked psychiatrist Dr. Lewis Fielding in Beverly Hills, supposedly to get hold of Ellsberg's psychiatric files. Ostensibly, Ellsberg had previously been a "patient" of Fielding. The actual and only intent of the staged "break-in" was to give Ellsberg a guaranteed "Get Out of Jail Free" card that would be melodramatically played years later, with great fanfare.

It was carefully arranged so that no trier of fact ever would even have an opportunity to try the "merits" or facts of the case of the alleged "break-in" of Fielding's office --- and it's a good thing, because even a cursory inspection of the "facts" surrounding the event proves beyond the slightest shade of doubt that both Ellsberg and Fielding were entirely in on the fraud with the CIA, Hunt, Liddy, and the Cuban CIA veterans who were brought in to stage it.

The full context is covered thoroughly in my book, Watergate: The Hoax, but the publishers have kindly made the chapter dealing specifically with the Fielding farce freely available as an excerpt, here:

CIA Crimes: 1971Daniel Ellsberg and The Fielding Farce:

https://www.chaletbooks.com/chaletreport....




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Six weeks before the assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald went to Mexico City to attempt to get a visa to go to Cuba.

No he didn't. Up until the ridiculous "I shot Reagan to show Jody Foster how much I loved her" bullshit, the Mexico City story was the the most outrageous, clumsy, ridiculous story ever concocted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAdS-QAX....



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I am getting ready to take a trip down a serious rabbit hole with a book that posits a relationship between the CIA and Charles Manson.

Here, read the cliff-notes version, it's more entertaining and probably more accurate:

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/i....


And Manson's real name was Charles Maddox, not Manson..........and although amusing and catchy, it's not Krautmeyer:

https://www.cifraclub.com/dan-bern/54348....



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Every shooting of a President in the US besides maybe Lincoln was done by a lone nut.

None of them were lone nuts, that's just the cover story. Lots of cover stories in US history, it's the polite, snobby-cocktail-party elitist phrase that must be used in place of the word "propaganda" or "bullshit". Sorta like "conspiracy theory".....

https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/l....


Two books everyone should read:

Watergate: The Hoax
https://www.amazon.com/Watergate-Hoax-As....

Harvey and Lee: John Armstrong's Documented History of the CIA's "Oswald Project"
https://harveyandlee.net/


"If my answers frighten you Vincent, then you should cease asking scary questions"
- Jules Winnfield, Pulp Fiction
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2023-01-22 09:37:55

@Evrgreen, there isn't a Republican Primary if McCarthy ended up President. I think Trump drops out, Desantos remains in Florida and other than maybe Cruz, the rest are lightweights.

I just listened to Bannon's program from this morning. You have to begin to wonder what is in thes files Biden had. DC is losing its mind over Ukraine and they are talking about taking Crimea back, like it ever belonged to anyone in reality besides the Russians.I think they should drop Lindsey Graham behind the Russian lines in a uniform. They might lose after laughing their asses off so hard. I think DC is fooling with suicide and I'm to the point, if they left the rest of us alone, it wouldn't bother me much if the disappeared as a result of the evil they are expressing. More motherfuckers dying at one time than any time in history. If they would just put the UN and the Davos crowd there too, there might be a new paradise on Earth. War is to loot the enemy. No country has ever waged war to loot and enslave their own people as has DC. These people pound their chests when they pass a $1 trillion infrastructure bill, but they can flush that much on killing people, in a war, in a few hours. All they are doing is proving why the Russians acted in the first place. The biggest jackpot on Earth is likely the minerals in Russia. But, Russia isn't Iraq and 2023 USA isn't 2002 USA. This is a bankrupt country and losing a war will make that very apparent. Few people realize the USA is closer to becoming Peru than it is a first world operation. That is really the only thing that I believe would break the dollar. We are likely looking at a worldwide economic calamity, as the dollar backs all finance on Earth, including China, which is why they could never balance trade. The outflows of funds are needed to keep finance afloat.

If you look at money 100 years ago, it was all gold. They did a switcheroo, allowing people to pay their debts with paper. But the perception was gold, trade was still in gold and money was hard. No one is going to get away with declaring any piece of paper or electronic matter money until this perception is re-established. A friend of mine used to pass out what he called paper camel. The story was the king was printing paper money and a camel rancher was being approached to acquire some camels. After being presented some paper for money, he asks what that paper was and is told Gold, after which the rancher pulls out a piece of paper and writes on it camel. To which the king respnds, off with his head. Those who produce paper money never pay their debts, yet they insist on collecting. Compound 1 by 2% for 2000 years on you will figure out no one has ever been able to roll debt at any interest rate for very many years before the scheme collapses. That figure is greater than the sum of all financial assets on Earth.

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Orangecrush 60 posts, incept 2018-09-29
2023-01-22 09:38:52

@Jfms99
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By far the best book I ever read on Watergate and Nixon was a book that came out over 30 years ago called:
"Silent Coup: The Removal of a President", still available. Was written by two investigative reporters that had a lot of information never covered by the MSM and a lot of background on Bob Woodward, who was a former Naval Intelligence briefer to the Joint Chiefs and he had a lot of interaction with the National Security Council at the White House early in Nixon's first term, and he had no background at all as a news reporter when he got a job at the Post.


I was going to mention Silent Coup as well. G. Gordon Liddy interviewed the authors of that book on his old radio show. After doing so Liddy said that Silent Coup was the definitive expose of what really happened in the Watergate break in and scandal.

Veeger 1k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-01-22 09:42:23

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The World Economic Forum is the "intellectuals" telling us we know what is better for you.


Actually, I'd disagree. The WEF (and similar) are working towards what is better for THEM. All the while, they are working to manipulate the 'crowds' to believe that the WEF vision for themselves is what the crowds think is better for the crowd's.

No one will clamor to be told that they are inferior to their 'betters'. That dawg won't hunt. The vision being painted is one that causes the sheep to demand it--not realizing the trap that has been laid.

Folks like those of us here, can see the trap and the false, imperfect vision but we are definitely the minority at risk of being targeted for extinction.

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Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.
Forever_young 79 posts, incept 2022-11-22
2023-01-22 13:13:43

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I wonder what kind of blackmail they held over his head to force him to step down?


My guess, because the guy was up for a fight, is they threatened his family.
Pinwiz 12 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-22 13:14:03

@TickTickTick

Yeah, and I guess it wasn't really Lee Harvey Oswald who was seen sneaking into the Texas Theater, which was a half mile from the site of the Tippit murder, right? And it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald who was arrested in that theater and who had with him a .38 caliber revolver, the same type weapon used to kill Tippit (and which Oswald owned), right?

And Oswald didn't work in the Book Depository, right?
He didn't leave right after the shooting, right?
He didn't go to his rooming house, which is where his .38 was stored?
And he wasn't arrested a half mile from where Tippit was killed?

Yes, every single fact in the case is disputed - I've read all the books. (The best one on the Tippit murder is Silvia Meagher's "Accessories After the Fact.") But there are certain facts that can't be disputed and by denying those facts - you simply discredit all your other statements.

Do I believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy? Yes. Do I believe that everything about Oswald was faked and it was a MASSIVE conspiracy involving every agency of the federal government? No, sorry, I don't buy that.
Ajkalian 174 posts, incept 2015-09-16
2023-01-22 14:31:07

This might be a bit off topic, but I find it hard to believe that Joe Biden and the MSM didn't know about some of the carrying on of Hunter Biden. As the old saying goes, "Like father, like son"

I can't speak to veracity of all of this, but it's hard to dispute the actual videos of Hunter Biden.

Plenty of X rated stuff so you've been advised.

https://bidenlaptopreport.marcopolousa.o....

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Chromehill 954 posts, incept 2010-03-03
2023-01-23 08:54:36

Jason Whitlock recently had a show (Blaze Media) regarding the jab. RFKJr was one of the guests. Somehow the assasination of his father and uncle came up.

Paraphrasing, he said that his father (RFK) never believed the Warren Commission report. His father never really made a public comment on the Warren Commission report. When RFK was campaigning for President, he made an appearance at a California junior college. Responding to a question, he stated that if elected he would reopen the investigation into JFK's assasination.

A week later he was dead.

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Radiosity 1k posts, incept 2009-03-05
2023-01-23 08:54:58

@Eleua "From Ron Unz (a based Jew, who should be on everyone's reading list)"

Well, 'mostly' based. He did have some supremely retarded hot takes on the jabs.

The simple fact that he hosts demonised works like The Iron Curtain Over America and Germany's War are enough for me to fully support his, though. That's shit that needs to be mandatory reading in schools. The fact that it isn't tells you everything you need to know.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish.
Burya_rubenstein 2k posts, incept 2007-08-08
2023-01-23 16:21:58

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The simple fact that he hosts demonised works like The Iron Curtain Over America and Germany's War are enough for me to fully support his, though. That's shit that needs to be mandatory reading in schools. The fact that it isn't tells you everything you need to know.

Not only is it not required reading, it's BLASPHEMY! It says, among other things, that Hitler didn't cook Jews!

Everyone knows that Hitler-Fuhrer cooked three-times-eight-to-the-seventh Jew-humans in big microwave ovens!
Tickticktick 191 posts, incept 2008-11-23
2023-01-25 20:31:01

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Yeah, and I guess it wasn't really Lee Harvey Oswald who was seen sneaking into the Texas Theater, which was a half mile from the site of the Tippit murder, right?

It's somewhat doubtful that LHO "snuck" into the Texas theater, although there's no doubt he was arrested there, ALONG WITH ANOTHER YOUNG MAN WHO WAS LED OUT OF THE BACK OF THE THEATER.

How do we explain that? Can we explain that? Do we have any "safe and effective" explanations for these eyewitness accounts?

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After HARVEY Oswald was taken out the front of the theater, Capt. Westbrook told Lt. Cunningham to take the names and addresses of all theater patrons, which would have included the name and address of the young man that he and Detective Toney had just questioned in the balcony. Not surprisingly, this list disappeared, along with the name of the young man arrested in the balcony and theater patrons who could have identified him.

Butch Burroughs, the theater concessionaire, said that he saw two different young men arrested in the Texas Theater. Burroughs saw HARVEY Oswald arrested in the lower section and then, "three or four minutes later," he watched as the Dallas police arrested "an Oswald lookalike." Burroughs added that the second man arrested "looked almost like Oswald, like he was his brother or something." The young man was handcuffed and escorted by police out the rear of the Texas Theater and into the alley. Was Capt. Westbrook was likely one of the police officers who escorted LEE Oswald, in handcuffs, out the rear of the theater? Very likely.

Bernard Haire, owner of a hobby shop two doors east of the theater, saw police escort a young man, in handcuffs, out the rear of the theater. Police put the young man into a squad car and drove away.

For the next 25 years Mr. Haire thought he had seen the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. Bernard Haire and Butch Burroughs saw police take a young man (LEE Oswald) out the back of the theater. Who, if not Captain Westbrook, had reason to escort LEE Oswald out of the back of the theater? And who at the Texas theater, if not Capt. Westbrook, had the authority to quickly release this young man and make sure that no police report was filed? Who, if not Capt. Westbrook?

After the young man was taken out the rear of the theater, Bernard Haire saw him placed into a squad car. As the senior police officer at the Texas Theater Capt. Westbrook could have explained to fellow officers that the suspect in the murder of Officer Tippit had been arrested and was being driven to police headquarters. The man taken out the back of the theater had been arrested by mistake, and was to be released. To avoid public criticism for arresting and handcuffing the wrong man, Westbrook may have simply told fellow police officers to forget about this incident.

Not surprisingly there is not a single police report relating to a suspect, or anyone, escorted by police out the rear of the Texas Theater, just like there is no report of the 2nd Oswald wallet displayed by Capt. Westbrook to fellow police officers at 10th & Patton (the scene of the Tippit shooting).

The young man in handcuffs was driven away in a police car, but was not taken to the police station. Where did he go? Who was driving the police car? The young man (LEE Oswald) may have been driven to or near the El Chico parking lot 6 blocks north of the theater, where a red Ford Falcon was waiting.


Across the street from the El Chico parking lot was Mack Pate's garage, where T. F. White, a career auto mechanic, was listening to the news and to the many police sirens. White soon noticed a young man sitting in a red Ford Falcon, with the engine running, across the street in the El Chico parking lot. After watching the car for a while, Mr. White walked across the street and from about 10-15 feet got a good look at the driver before the car raced out of the parking lot.

Mr. White wrote down the Texas license plate number of the car: PP4537. After seeing HARVEY Oswald's picture on television later that afternoon, Mr. White realized the man he saw in the car was "Lee Harvey Oswald". But what Mr. White did not realize was that when he saw LEE Oswald sitting in the red Ford Falcon, the man he had seen on television (HARVEY Oswald) was sitting in jail at police headquarters.

The rear license plate on the car, seen by Mr. White, was not registered to a red Ford Falcon. The license plate was registered to a 1957 blue Plymouth that belonged to Carl Mather, a very close friend of Officer Tippit, the man who LEE Oswald had shot and killed only an hour earlier. The TDPS (Texas Dept. of Public Safety) provides two license plates for each vehicle--one for the front and one for the back side of a vehicle. Someone removed one, or perhaps both, of the license plate(s) from Carl Mather's 1957 Plymouth and put at least one of those plates on the back side of the red Ford Falcon driven by LEE Oswald and seen in the El Chico parking lot by Mr. White.

Whoever removed the license plate(s) from Mather's car, and their reason for removing the license plate(s) from a vehicle owned by a close friend of Officer Tippit, remains unknown.

On 12/4/63 Wes Wise (future mayor of Dallas) was giving a talk at the Exchange Club in Oak Cliff. Auto repair shop owner Mac Pate was in the audience and later told Wise that LEE Harvey Oswald was seen by one of his employees sitting in a red 1961 Ford Falcon across the street from his auto repair shop around 2:00 PM on 11/22/63. Wise then met with Pate's mechanic, T.F. White, the man who had seen Oswald sitting in the red Ford Falcon. Wise then contacted the Texas Dept of Public Safety, and was given information about the car to which license plate PP4357 was assigned. Wise then contacted and was interviewed by the FBI--all on the same day (https://harveyandlee.net/Tippit/Wes_Wise....).


Hmmmm.....all that's a little hard to explain.



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And Oswald didn't work in the Book Depository, right?

Oswald did work at the Book Depository, that is correct. So did a lot of other people. Should we conclude that all of them are suspects, too?



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He didn't leave right after the shooting, right?

Lots of people left right after the shooting, including most of the crowd in Dealey Plaza. Most of them have valid reasons for why they did so. Should we conclude that all of them are suspects, too?



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And he wasn't arrested a half mile from where Tippit was killed?

That is correct, although I'm not sure why the distance involved matters, unless you are implying that anyone within "X" radius of the Tippit shooting was a suspect.



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He didn't go to his rooming house, which is where his .38 was stored?

He went to his room house, correct. Where is there evidence that he stored a .38 revolver there? Is it this type of "evidence"?:

https://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Pistol.htm....

Sounds a bit squishy to me.....


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Yes, every single fact in the case is disputed - I've read all the books.

Obviously not, since when you have one dog that doesn't bark, that can be written off as a coincidence; when an entire pack of dogs remain silent, that raises some very interesting questions that can't be so easily dismissed, and may point to different conclusions.


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Do I believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy? Yes. Do I believe that everything about Oswald was faked and it was a MASSIVE conspiracy involving every agency of the federal government? No....

Okay, so you are a "conspiracy theorist", just not a MASSIVE "conspiracy theorist". Got it. And, pray tell, why would it require "every agency" of any government (federal, state, local) to be involved? Wouldn't just a few select, powerful individuals do the trick? Isn't that the "trick" that is pulled by those trying to deny reality....by claiming there every single one of the 18-gazillion employees of the government would have to be involved in order for something to "work"?

Did the cute news anchor at the local TV station in Muleshoe, TX have to be part of the Covid "plan" when she presented to the audience the "fact" that the injections were safe and effective? Did her producer have to be part of the plan? Was the station manager involved.....was he the mastermind? The wire-service clerk? The printing press operator? The news-stand vendor?

P.S. your questions are worded as negatives, which comes across as an attempt to sound very "lawyer-ish", like you are cross-examining a guilty witness in order to coerce them into admitting their crime. Newsflash: doesn't work that way, except on Perry Mason.

A bit of advice: in the real world of public opinion, all such legal tactics and niceities doesn't count for jack shit. We all know the Warren Commission explanation was an early version of the Russia Collusion and J6 "investigations", and parroting the same old tired deceptive "facts" and mis-directions won't change anyone's minds. But, I suppose, a girl's gotta try....


P.S.S. for people who want to explore many of these issues in more detail, this is a good place to start, you get a lot of info from "both sides of the aisle" regarding all of these questions and others:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/forum....


My contention is two-fold:

a) if you don't understand that there were 2 different "Oswalds", you'll never, EVER be able to fit all of the conflicting, non-controversial (i.e. proven, documented) evidence into a coherent story.....it just won't add up. Once you realize / accept the reality of 2 different Oswalds (originally created for various clandestine purposes, and pressed into "service" at different times for different reasons), then all of the evidence makes sense. And by all of the evidence, I mean just that; not just the selective evidence used by the WC that distorted some evidence and left out almost all of the exculpatory evidence.

b) if you don't understand that Kennedy's body was altered between Parkland (Dallas) and Bethesda (DC), you'll never, EVER be able to fit all of the conflicting, non-controversial (i.e. proven, documented) evidence into a coherent story.....it just won't add up. The body is the "best evidence", as it reveals from which direction (and how many, what angles of attack, etc.) the bullets came from. Hence the need to "modify" the body.


The reality, I believe, is although the assassination was a "success" (it got rid of Kennedy AND initially covered up who was really involved), it was a failure operationally........i.o.w. things went wrong with the actual shooting, and badly wrong, which caused a lot of "on-the-fly" improvisations and work-arounds to be done, and those type of actions left such a convoluted, suspicious trail of events and evidence which is what really "blew their cover".
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