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Thegreatunwashed 274 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-01-21 11:22:18

Tucker
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Biden is the most destructive president in American history.

Tucker must have called out sick the week they covered Abe Lincoln in high school. Still, it is nice seeing Tucker go there.

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Ee4fire 810 posts, incept 2011-03-24
2023-01-21 11:53:22

Gordon Liddy wrote in his autobiography the Watergate break in was John Dean's idea. Nixon did not authorize it or knew it took place. Nixon was loyal to a fault to his aides.

Nixon was never below 60% in the polls. He had no reason to authorize the break in. John Dean had a motive. His now wife worked in a DC brothel where the Dems entertained their donor and friends. Dean wanted to know if the Dems knew she was his girlfriend.

Dean sued Liddy over this revelation and lost in court.

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(Politicians), 536 commoditized temple monkeys pawing through the ruins of America in search of bribes. (The District of Corruption) works like a vending machine. You put coins in the slot, select yo
Metalqueen 242 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-01-21 11:53:53

@Mrbobo

Woodward wrote a couple of books that were nothing but fawning tributes to Bush Jr. during the so-called War on Terror stage of the power grab. This alone should revoke any claims to be an actual journalist for that deep state clown. smiley
Fek308 51 posts, incept 2009-02-18
2023-01-21 11:53:57

Like him or not, Woodward's VEIL: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987 is a must read for those interested in the hidden agendas' of our government. VEIL is the story of the covert wars that were waged in a secretive atmosphere and became the centerpieces and bombs of American foreign policy in the 1980's. Definitely an eye-opener!
Pinwiz 12 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-21 11:54:14

I love Tucker, but he is overplaying his hand here. I've done considerable research into the Kennedy assassination and while there is evidence that suggests the CIA was involved there is no PROOF. In his past telecasts he's suggested the CIA's continued stonewalling on releasing documents relating to the case is PROOF. That's no more proof that the CIA killed Kennedy than the government's reluctance to release documents on UFOs is PROOF that aliens exist.

I've read many books on both sides of the conspiracy/lone gunman arguments in the Kennedy assassination, plus spent considerable time going through primary materials at the National Archives. (I've actually held the so-called "magic bullet" in my hands - many decades ago.) The only real conclusion that can be drawn from the evidence is that we DON'T know what exactly happened that day in Dallas. Much of that blame goes to the Warren Commission and their superficial investigation (and there are several complicated reasons for why the investigation was superficial). But the FBI, CIA and Secret Service stonewalled the Commission to varying degrees and for various reasons - some sinister. But it still falls short of proof.

In addition to having ties to the CIA, most of the Watergate burglars also had ties to Cuba. Three were Cuban exiles who had been involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion. That's important because one of the theories is that the Kennedy assassination was payback for what the Cubans saw as his "betrayal" for not directly supporting the invasion. In truth, the CIA lied to Kennedy, telling him that the exiles did not require direct military support from the US - something which Kennedy refused to provide. They thought that when push came to shove, Kennedy would send in the marines. He didn't and the anti-Castro Cubans got slaughtered. Many Cubans never forgave Kennedy for this. Kennedy was pissed at the CIA's treachery, later giving a speech in which he threatened to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds." (Which is an obvious motive to the CIA to kill Kennedy.) But again, these all fall far short of PROOF to objective people.

Then again, there's compelling evidence against Oswald. He owned the Mannlicher Carcano rifle found in the Book Depository. That is the only weapon ballistically-linked to the shooting. (Yes, I know all about the Zapruder film, the single-bullet theory and the grassy knoll.) The evidence is also overwhelming that Oswald left the depository after the shooting, went to his apartment, retrieved his revolver and then shot and killed Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit in Oak Cliff, not far from the theater where he was arrested. (And I know that EVERY piece of evidence in this has been disputed - I've seen Oliver Stone's JFK. But the evidence against Oswald is more compelling than the conspiracy arguments, IMO.)

The fact that Ford pardoned Nixon does not prove that he did it to keep Nixon quiet about who killed Kennedy. If Nixon had really known who killed Kennedy, why didn't he use it as a threat to remain in office? He could have easily gone to the FBI/CIA and said, "If you continue with this investigation, I will go on national television and tell the world that you killed JFK." Why didn't he publish that information in his memoirs, or tell David Frost in their highly-publicized interviews in 1977, after he resigned? And if the answer to that is that he was afraid he'd get whacked, why didn't he say it on his deathbed?

Lastly - how did Nixon learn who killed Kennedy? When the assassination happened in November 1963, Nixon was a private citizen. Did someone in the CIA leak it to him? Or did he learn it when he took office in 1969? Or, perhaps he (like many others) simply surmised that the CIA killed Kennedy.

Something Tucker leaves out is that on June 23, 1972, six days after the Watergate break-in, Nixon met with his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman. In that conversation, Nixon asked Haldeman to go to Richard Helms, head of the CIA and get him to obstruct the FBI's fledgling Watergate investigation. Nixon told Haldeman, "Say, Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing..." Most people believe that what Nixon means by the "Bay of Pigs thing" is the Kennedy assassination. (It's the most logical asumption.) In other words, he wants the CIA to go to the FBI and say, "Stop your investigation or else you're gonna dredge up who really killed Kennedy." Presumably this would be embarrassing to both agencies. This conversation is famous "smoking gun" tape that Nixon fought so hard to keep hidden. Not because it referenced the "Bay of Pigs thing" but because it proved he had obstructed justice. Within a couple weeks of the Supreme Court's unanimous decision to release the tapes, Nixon resigned.

Is the theory laid out in Tucker's commentary possible? Sure, it's possible. Is it PROOF? Far from it, in my mind. There are other conclusions that can also be drawn from the same set of facts, and they are not nearly as sinister. At least, that's my opinion.

Reason: typo corrected
Evergreen 255 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-01-21 11:57:11

Make sense now why only a certain person was ever decreed eligible for speaker of the house, and why the near total majority of the republicans were in his camp?

Clearly, they had been read the terms of their continued service. Under normal circumstances, no such massive body exists for a candidate who has proven previously to be smarmy and highly unreliable. No, the candidacy was constructed and ordained.

Question is, to what end?

Succession? Timing is right. Litmus test? He who can get the house majority? There's only one person thus far...

Reason: cont'd
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-01-21 11:57:20

@onething@atime
Guns are only worthwhile if the person holding them is willing to fire. She wasn't. And that is a crying shame.

How many people will do exactly what she did, yet insist that the reason why, "that can't happen here," is because of guns?

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Spitcher2 85 posts, incept 2018-05-17
2023-01-21 11:57:31

@Ingar re: Rebel Press and Pfizer-Bourla. I too got sucked into clicking on that. First few questions, my brain was releasing all kinds of feel good molecules, but as the clip progressed I realized how absurd this skit was. I could regurgitate some kind of prayer now and wrap this up, but I won't. NO! What I really wanted to see in that agi-pop piece were blades being brandished and going into skulls of the entire entourage! Skulls cracking open, excisions of entire central nervous systems. Then, all those brains mashed and drawn up into 10,000 "vaccines" and injected into every attendee and presenter at that conference. That would be Rebel News. What did that clip show? If you can get that close to a real life monster, you have an obligation to kill it, before it can kill again.
Abias 5 posts, incept 2021-12-20
2023-01-21 14:39:41

Several years ago I got a hold of a book by Carl Oglesby. "The Yankee and Cowboy War" Conspiracies From Dallas to Watergate. I learned that many of the players in Watergate were the same players in the JFK assassination. The "plumbers" were the "tramps" in Dallas.
Ocdawg 418 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-01-21 14:39:47

Great thread today! Kudos TF!

2 responses:
Kennedy assassination- read "Six Seconds in Dallas" by Josiah Thompson

CIA, Nixon's knowledge of Kennedy, Ford, etc= Occam's Razor

My $.02...

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"When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat."- George Carlin
USA= smiley
Steiner 1 posts, incept 2017-05-25
2023-01-21 14:39:55

Part of what bothers me about Kennedy's death is they let John Connelly die and be buried with one of the bullets from the assassination still in him. I would think they would have at least removed the bullet as further evidence of the 'lone gunman' theory.
Guitarist 14 posts, incept 2020-06-22
2023-01-21 14:40:04

I contract to several schools for advanced private music lessons, and spend a lot of time one on one with people 40 and under, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the amount of people my age (43) and below that could give you a meaningful sentence about ANY of this is near zero. They have no idea who Kissinger, Goldwater, Haig, etc are. Most of my students spend 5 or 6 nights a week playing volleyball or basketball instead of learning how to think and what forces have led to this mess that lay before them.
Dingleberry 624 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2023-01-21 14:40:11

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason".
--John Harington

In my view, you either believe in "coincidences" or "conspiracies".

I've seen enough to know which one is usually proven correct.... especially with the fullness of time.

Pinwiz 12 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-21 14:40:16

One clarification about Nixon asking Haldeman to use the CIA to obstruct the FBI Investigation of Watergate:

Nixon told Haldeman, "Say, Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing..."

The reason why some people (me included) believe he's referencing the Kennedy assassination is that there's an argument to be made that the CIA and Anti-Castro Cubans, both of whom were upset at Kennedy for what they saw as his betrayal, decided to work together to kill Kennedy. There is some evidence to support this theory.

Six weeks before the assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald went to Mexico City to attempt to get a visa to go to Cuba. He went to both the Soviet and Cuban embassies. Both times he was denied. The CIA was conducting covert surveillance on both of those embassies - they photographed every person who went in and out of the embassies, plus had wiretaps. No photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald has ever surfaced of him going into these embassies. The CIA told the Warren Commission that their cameras were "not operating" on the day Oswald went there. One member of the Warren Commission staff, David Slawson, later said that the CIA played tape recordings of Oswald's voice when he visited the embassies. Those tapes have never surfaced and the CIA denies they ever existed.

Some argue that the CIA was already planning to use Oswald as a pawn in the assassination of Kennedy. If Oswald could have gotten to Cuba, and then six weeks later killed the President, the CIA felt that Johnson would order an invasion of Cuba - bringing to fruition their overthrow of Castro. But Oswald never got to Cuba and, as it turned out, LBJ apparently did everything in his power to downplay Oswald's trip and his previous defection to the Soviet Union, for fear that it would cause WWIII. He convinced Chief Justice Earl Warren to head the commission by telling him that "40 million lives would be lost" in a nuclear war with the Soviets if Warren didn't head the commission and put rumors about Oswald to rest.

A Cuban-American woman named Silvia Odio was interviewed by a Warren Commission lawyer and said that in late September 1963 (prior to Oswald's trip to Mexico City) a man named Leon Oswald visited her Dallas apartment with two Latinos. The three strangers were there to solicit money for the anti-Castro counterrevolutionary group JURE. Odio told the Commission lawyer that a few days after the visit, one of the Latinos returned and talked to Odio again. The man, who used the "war name" Leopoldo, told Odio that Oswald was a "little nuts" and said the Cubans were cowards for not assassinating Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs.

Odio said she didn't think much of the conversation until after the assassination. The Commission lawyer asked the FBI to conduct a thorough investigation into Odio's claims. But neither the Commission nor the FBI were ever able to get to the bottom of the incident. If what Odio says is true, it directly connects Oswald to an Anti-Castro Cuban group and suggests they played some role in Kennedy's death. Does it rise to the level of PROOF? Not in my mind...

Greenacr 734 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2023-01-21 14:41:37

Eisenhower warned of the Military Industrial Complex on his way out. My guess is that is the same Deep State we have today and I would not be surprised if its origins predate WWII.

Endless Wars feed the beast.
Austin 235 posts, incept 2008-10-22
2023-01-21 14:41:52

''and these facts were part of the curriculum that I learned. ''

hmm, and whose curriculum was that ? just curious [ conspiracy school ? [sarc

[ this new info is astonishing to me as i have kept up with things all my life ]
Pinwiz 12 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-21 14:41:58

Regarding Oswald's trip to Mexico City - some believe that the CIA had someone impersonate Oswald and go to the Cuban and Soviet embassies to get a VISA. And that was why they told the Commission that the cameras were broken the day Oswald visited. The photos would clearly show that it was not Oswald.

Win Scott was the CIA station chief in Mexico City at the time. When Scott died in 1971, the CIA's long-time counter-intelligence chief James Jesus Angleton went to Scott's home and removed everything from his safe, including a manuscript of Scott's memoirs. Parts of the manuscript were destroyed. Some believe that in Scott's safe were the photos of Oswald (or the CIA imposter) along with wiretaps from phone calls Oswald placed to the embassies. But these photos/wiretaps, if they exist, have never been released.

Some think that the remaining records being withheld by the CIA contain information about these photos/wiretaps.


Jfms99 532 posts, incept 2009-10-06
2023-01-21 14:42:12

@Vernob

You have to remember that when Nixon was in office it was the height of the Cold War, we had never recognize China as a nation we had no embassies there or anything else. The reason Nixon went to China and opened it up to having relations was part of a strategy known as triangulation. He was using the opening to China as leverage against the Soviets to put a wedge into the relationship at the time the strategy was very sound in six months in 1972 Nixon not only went to China. He also was the first president ever to visit Moscow where he met with Brezhnev for the opening of glasnost , Nixon was actually trying to have better relations with the Soviets, and by using his gambit and going to China, he achieved a number of diplomatic foreign policy initiatives that he wanted to do
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Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-21 14:42:24

Yep.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Nicus 14 posts, incept 2016-05-23
2023-01-21 16:08:18

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but I gotta run and couldn't read all the comments... It's not just Ford. When he stepped up to the presidency, another un-elected "nominated" person became VP. Nelson Rockefeller. A man who could NEVER be elected president. Then a few months later Squeaky Fromme almost made him president. If they'd given her a better gun Nelson would have been president and that's a whole 'nother roll of tin foil.
Pinwiz 12 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-21 16:08:23

@ Steiner

Texas Governor John Connally wasn't buried with a bullet in his body. It was a very tiny fragment (1 mm in size, estimated weight about 1/10 of a grain) that was embedded in his femur. It was so small there was no way it could be ballistically link to, or excluded from, the so-called "magic bullet" that supposedly went through both Kennedy and Connally.

It was thought at the time (Connally died in 1993) that you could do analysis of lead from bullets to determine the composition and thus draw a conclusion as to whether or not the lead came from the same batch. Even that would not have been able to prove whether or not the fragment came from the exact same bullet. That science has since been discredited.
Metalqueen 242 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-01-21 16:08:42

@Spitcher

The scene you described would warm the cockles of my heart smiley

Unfortunately all we will continue to get is Kabuki theatre like that Rebel News stunt. Wake me up when the smiley come out.
Jfms99 532 posts, incept 2009-10-06
2023-01-21 16:08:46

By far the best book I ever read on Watergate and Nixon was a book that came out over 30 years ago called:
"Silent Coup: The Removal of a President", still available. Was written by two investigative reporters that had a lot of information never covered by the MSM and a lot of background on Bob Woodward, who was a former Naval Intelligence briefer to the Joint Chiefs and he had a lot of interaction with the National Security Council at the White House early in Nixon's first term, and he had no background at all as a news reporter when he got a job at the Post.
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Kikknback 1k posts, incept 2020-03-17
2023-01-21 16:09:01

Dji wrote..
Tucker is Worth Listening To right up to the 11+ minute mark when he says the
magic words of "our democracy". Tucker Failed American history huh.

Tucker is a fake Conservative following the orders from his Master to continue the brainwashing to the public to believe they are living in a Democracy, and not a Constitutional Republic. Only an enemy to FREEDOM would align them self with the Communists to further this cause.

Stories like this are to brainwash the public into believing there are patriots in the COMMUNIST CONTROLLED Mass Media fighting to protect, and defend your freedom.





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Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-21 16:09:07

Quote:
But did he have motive for Watergate? No. He was stupid to tamper with the tapes and that's ultimately what killed his Presidency. What he SHOULD HAVE DONE is destroyed them entirely and then, given his popularity, gone on live TV and bet the House publicly on an impeachment bid. He was odds-on to beat it without the doctored tapes.


My mother, who was a lawyer, always said Nixon should have done this as well.

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