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2023-01-21 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Yes, I know, if you like Biden you won't listen to this.

If you voted for him you will deliberately ignore it.

But, if you voted for Joe Biden, and like him as President, you damn well ought to listen to this.

The facts related to Richard Nixon are facts.  How Ford wound up as President, and the chain of "random events" that led to that, are also facts.  I've known them all for decades -- but I didn't take a government educator's American Government class in High School and these facts were part of the curriculum that I learned.  They almost-certainly were not part of the curriculum you were taught, and if you went to a government school I guarantee exactly zero of this was ever brought up, except that Agnew was forced to resign after being indicted.

How does this relate to what is going on now?  That's an open question but the question you ought to demand be answered is why the media and the rest of DC has never answered for what happened with Richard Nixon, who the Watergate Burglar's actually worked for, and how Gerald Ford, who nobody voted for, wound up as President of the United States.

I remind you that essentially Ford's first action was to pardon Nixon, thereby prohibiting Nixon from being charged and able to defend himself in open, public court with any of these facts, making damn sure the public knew them all.

Isn't that convenient?

PS: Oh, this just started -- or even just got much worse eh?  When was Nixon elected to office?  Uh huh.

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Pods 47 posts, incept 2019-12-28
2023-01-21 07:52:38

I saw this and it was chilling. Tucker went there a couple weeks back when he talked about JFK being whacked.
I for sure wasn't taught this in school. Just the top line "Nixon was forced to resign" line.
This makes your blood run cold. I am not under any false assumptions that the government works for me, but this really nails it.
Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-01-21 08:01:58

It's not often I learn something new about the deep state. I didn't realize all the nasty ingredients baked into Nixon's presidency.

There was an incredible amount of political change that happened between Kennedy's death and Reagan's two terms in the driver's seat.

What I also find interesting about Nixon is how much effort he put towards social programs.
From wiki:
Quote:
During Nixon's tenure, spending on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid all increased dramatically. Total spending on social insurance programs grew from $27.3 billion in 1969 to $67.4 billion in 1975, while the poverty rate dropped from 12.8 percent in 1968 to 11.1 percent in 1973.

That's an incredible ammount of money. By the end of Reagan's terms most of these programs had been gutted, manufacturing was being offshored and Americans began living on debt.

Good times! (Sarc)

Thanks for the education! I love this place!

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Village-idjit 1k posts, incept 2010-06-09
2023-01-21 08:02:20

Damn. Thank you Karl, ditto here, wasn't taught this in school. The same backroom stuff is still going on by "Establishment Washington" (The Swamp) against anyone who might expose their filthy secrets.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-21 08:04:14

Yep @Village-idjit this is why when someone runs that "oh look at how nasty the government is now, and deep state, and..... and.... and..... by god we had guns but we didn't need them and didn't use them" crap around here they get a 2x6 upside the head and occasionally piss me off enough to get the banhammer.

Its bullshit. I knew it was bullshit from the time I was in High School. I had ACTUAL history teachers, the Constitution was on the wall of the classroom and to get a diploma I had to pass American Government class where all this and more was laid out.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Invisiblesun 627 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-01-21 08:49:37

Nixon played a central role in drawing out the evidence that Alger Hiss was a Communist. The Deep State never forgave Nixon for proving their complicity in enabling Communist penetration of the US government, and sure enough, they got even.

Writing in 1962, Nixon reflected:
Quote:
The Hiss case brought me national fame. I received considerable credit for spearheading the investigation which led to Hiss's conviction. Two years later I was elected to the United States Senate and two years after that, General Eisenhower introduced me as his running mate to the Republican National Convention as "a man who has a special talent and an ability to ferret out any kind of subversive influence wherever it may be found, and the strength and persistence to get rid of it."

But in politics, victory is never total. The Hiss case brought me national fame. But it also left a residue of hatred and hostility toward me-not only among the Communists but also among substantial segments of the press and the intellectual community-a hostility which remains even today, ten years after Hiss's conviction was upheld by the United States Supreme Court. Bert Andrews once gave me his opinion about the primary motivating force for much of this attitude. "The surest way to make yourself unpopular with anyone who considers himself an intellectual," he said, "is to prove him wrong once he has gone out on a limb on an issue so charged with emotion as the Hiss case."

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ft....
Vernonb 2k posts, incept 2009-06-03
2023-01-21 09:17:58

Nixon was branded as a staunch anti communist yet he went to China. Seems like the China trade problem and jobs- especially textiles - were rapidly moved out of the country within 20 years.
Was this the communists or their players way of making Nixon a chump?

I watched the piece by Tucker the other night. It was a good one. I posted it in various places. Nixon knew who killed JFK I am sure and both Trump and Biden refused to fully release records from the 1961 assassination. Remember Ford was on the Warren assassination committee.

I was 12 years old when Nixon resigned and I remember the issues previously with Agnew. Most of my family had been lifelong democrats living in rural areas till Ike and Nixon came along. Soon after the dems were abandoned.

We were never taught this in school and I lived through it. I never knew Woodward was a former Naval Intelligence officer that had been placed at
The Washington Post in 1971. The we have the cadre of CIA spooks also involved.

Simply too convenient ....

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Dogenvy 28 posts, incept 2021-08-27
2023-01-21 09:35:52

It was an eye-opening segment by Tucker. My husband and I were both a bit dumbfounded when we realized how much of that story we did not know. The pieces and players really do fit together well.

As the Bible says: "There is nothing new under the sun."

Im glad a show watched by millions is going there.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-21 09:38:01

Yep. None of it was new to me.

Was Nixon a crook? Does a bear shit in the woods?

But did he have motive for Watergate? No. He was stupid to tamper with the tapes and that's ultimately what killed his Presidency. What he SHOULD HAVE DONE is destroyed them entirely and then, given his popularity, gone on live TV and bet the House publicly on an impeachment bid. He was odds-on to beat it without the doctored tapes.

With them he was fucked, he knew it, the votes were there to convict and remove him and the only remaining option at THAT point was resignation.

Ford pardoned him to prevent him from being indicted, which he would have been, and if he was the entire lid would have come off the pot because Nixon would have had every right to use everything he knew in his defense, and given his history of being willing to go to mat he would have done exactly that.

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Dji 1k posts, incept 2009-04-21
2023-01-21 09:44:30

Tucker is Worth Listening To right up to the 11+ minute mark when he says the
magic words of "our democracy". Tucker Failed American history huh.

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Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-01-21 09:54:57

After too much coffee, and some early morning reflection, I have a couple of questions.

Is there a conspiracy?

If yes, who are the 'brains'?

Is this a conspiracy for financial gain? Political gain? Social change?

I don't want to come off like a complete sphincter, but if you believe the CIA killed Kennedy, ran Nixon out of office and is now about to shut-off the Biden bidet - how far down this conspiracy rabbit hole do we feel like traveling?

I'm asking for a buddy working in the do-I-give-a-fuck? department.

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Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-21 09:58:19

There are a bunch of loosely-coordinated assholes who have pulled this sort of shit for a very long time and going down some "conspiracy" rathole is without value.

The way it is stopped is that it is made clear that continuing this crap results in extreme consequences with no more care for the law than they have, and without being coordinated that cannot be interdicted and the people doing it (and their families) lose simply on numbers of persons acting on each side.

Its not new, its been around for a very long time (literally forever in recorded human history), it surfaces in different places at different times with different people and groups involved but all of it resolved the same way, if and when the people decide they've had enough of it -- and not one minute before.

BTW going down the "conspiracy" rathole is EXACTLY what the people doing it WANT you to do. Among other things they WIN this way; not only can they then find a legal way to stomp on you even if you succeed you still lose because your targeting sucks and thus you FAIL to excise it, never mind that it becomes trivially-easy to whip up the population against YOU and deflect from the acts of those involved at the present time. And make no mistake that group of people DOES change over time and in fact no, there is no "leadership" per-se -- its a loose confederation that happens to operate just as most do, on the convenience of a shared desire at the present time.

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Mrbobo 107 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2023-01-21 10:02:05

The Tucker segment seemed a redux of what Roger Stone has been retelling lately. The big disparity being Stone claims Al Haig not Mark Felt was "Deep Throat". Woodward has always bothered me with the cadence of his book releases, the releases always seem too timely and make obvious he isn't writing them. The installation of Ford is always the ignored element in the Nixon saga.
Jerry_d 17 posts, incept 2022-05-12
2023-01-21 10:35:50

I remember in the mid 70's, as a kid, watching All in the Family and Archie Bunker saying something like "and how do we have a president that now one voted for?!".

As a kid, didn't think much of it (but I do remember the line). But as an adult, yah -- that would have been crazy.

We may see this play out again.
Onething@atime 113 posts, incept 2020-04-25
2023-01-21 10:39:17

That woman should have shot those three bastards.
Ocdawg 418 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-01-21 10:40:42

Wow... I was 7 when I watched Nixon get on the chopper. I felt sad and remember my Mom cried a bit.

I/we are living examples they pulled this all off with people not knowing any of the "details". I'm actually kinda stunned this morning as I read this... I've questioned things related to govt my entire life. Subliminally is this the reason why?

Thanks Karl & Tucker... and I'm doubling down (see post history) if there's any question where I stand...
smileysmileysmileysmiley

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Vernonb 2k posts, incept 2009-06-03
2023-01-21 10:40:58

@Tickerguy

Did he have a motive for Watergate?

Who knows the lies told to him or what was said. The CIA spooks involved would say or do anything demanded by handlers. Perhaps Nixon felt there was no one in any government agency that could be trusted.

Seems he took the bait and they trapped him. But in the end he was the master of his own destruction.

Rewind a bit and look how Obummer and government agencies spied on the Trump campaign. Welcome to the banana republic.

Perhaps Nixon thought he was going to gain more glory like the Hiss situation.

Whatever the motivations it was likely for the wrong reasons.

@DJI

Obviously Tucker used the term democracy to avoid the term 'banana republic'. /sarc off

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Boredfree 1k posts, incept 2021-09-15
2023-01-21 10:41:18

Karl,

You nailed it!

Nicely worded. This should be required reading BEFORE heading into the land of tin.

I believe you have perfectly described the past 5000 years of politics.

Well done!

It sucks the peons are so easily distracted, crass and are unwilling to become civilized. The world could be a lot more fun with a lot less stress.

Karl, you are a real star! Keep guiding us.
And thank you!

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Ingar 459 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2023-01-21 10:41:27

I didn't know that Bob Woodward was (is) a spook until this clip from the Tucker show. The limp-waisted marxist press hated Nixon with a passion because he helped put one of their fellow travelers, Alger Hiss, in the slammer. The press covered up Kennedy's Addison's disease and turned his bronzed appearance from it into a healthy tan of a young, active man. They attacked Nixon at every turn. I remember a pissed off Nixon telling the press after their maltreatment of him during his failed 1962 California governor's race that he was leaving politics and that they wouldn't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore. But they did and still do.

It was refreshing to see Pfizer's Bourla ambushed at Davos Switzerland by the Rebel Press asking real questions. America's mainstream media is certainly controlled by the advertising dollars and infested with who knows how many intelligence operatives like Bob Woodward.

I think that our mainstream media has less integrity than a crack whore with AIDS. But they probably wouldn't steal a hot stove.
Indianarube 1k posts, incept 2020-03-22
2023-01-21 10:41:59

Had Squeaky Frum (sp) been a better shot Nelson Rockefeller would've become another unelected president. There's plenty of one worlder tin foil surrounding that family.
Veeger 1k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2023-01-21 10:46:35

Tucker...

Nice, likeable fellow.

Raises some interesting points. Some are even valid.

Why does he get air time? To keep the conservatives fed so that they don't really do much at all?

Alternatively, it just makes very little sense to me as to why he's permitted to be on the air.

I suspect he's only used as a 'relief valve'. Week after week he raises valid issues---but nothing ever comes as a consequence. I don't have time to watch someone who primarily affirms/confirms my suspcions but without an avenue to act on them. He's just 'old news' rehashed...

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Spitcher2 84 posts, incept 2018-05-17
2023-01-21 10:46:42

I need some learning in the ways and methods of "making clear". Is the process similar to making beer or moonshine?
Jules 1k posts, incept 2009-04-18
2023-01-21 10:46:53

One of very few memories of my childhood...
Dad sat us all down in front of the tv to watch Nixon resign.
He told us, "You all need to see and remember this. I don't know what's going on, but this is not the real story".


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Erroldo 643 posts, incept 2013-09-12
2023-01-21 11:21:40

As an immigrant I had to listen to this one.
Looks like the system needs to self destruct and rebuild back better.
Metalqueen 241 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-01-21 11:21:52

@Boredfree

I have seen Nixon described as the Last Liberal President (old school liberal, not the current shitlib variety) so that makes sense.

It always seemed rather obvious that TPTB decided Nixon had to be gotten rid of but at that point they couldnt Kennedy him-that would be too obvious. I wonder what kind of blackmail they held over his head to force him to step down?

Also the Washington Post was always the CIA mouthpiece nothing more. At the time of Watergate the Washington Star had far more readership. That Woodward was actually a CIA asset does not surprise me. And that the Washington Post and its government sponsors ultimately took out their competition is not surprising either.

The smiley construction should have started long ago.
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