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2023-01-19 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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But But But.... (States CAN Stop Illegal Immigration)
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If your state doesn't then they don't care.

The Department of Economic Opportunity sent letters to several businesses, flagging the various companies for “repeat non-responsiveness” to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE).

“If you persist and fail to respond to the Department of Economic Opportunity (DEO), there will be significant consequences,” the letters reads, warning that the notice serves as the “final opportunity to respond before consequences are initiated.”

Florida's legislature passed a law that required all employers to run E-Verify on every employee and certify they have done so, subject to audit.  This is a trivial, no-cost requirement in that its a simple computer check.  It is not absolutely bomb-proof but very close, and makes using a stolen Social Security number (or a made up one) almost certain to get declined and, for those employers who "don't care" they won't run it at all and thus can't be in compliance.

As I have repeatedly pointed out virtually all of the scams -- the medical billing scam (charging someone more through their insurance than if they pay cash, often by 10x as much) or otherwise refusing level and consistent pricing in that marketplace, engaging in pricing-fixing in the medical field and similar nonsense can all be fixed at the state licensing level because states have a near-plenary power to regular business licenses.  A business license is a privilege, not a right.

No license, no business.

It doesn't matter what the business is.  From the corner convenience store to the largest bank or insurance company if you don't have that license from the state (and usually from the county as well in many cases) you don't operate and if you try to get cute with it you get arrested.  For real.

Virtually all of the really ugly nonsense that goes on "mandated" by the Federal Government can be stopped at the state level via this mechanism.  If it touches a business interest in some way (and it nearly always does) any state that chooses to do so can cut it off by conditioning business licenses on not doing that and the Federal Government has nothing they can do about it.

It doesn't matter if the firm is involved in interstate or international (in the case of cruise lines) commerce; to operate in the state they must have a business license and there is no underlying right to one.  Thus the options are (1) comply or (2) pull up your stakes and move to another state that doesn't care.

All of these problems -- every last one of them -- that your state refuses to address are in fact choices.  Your state CAN force these issues to be resolved within your state.  It can't force other states, but that's the entire point of 50 political laboratories: The good ideas win population and businesses, the bad ones lose.

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Mike77079 80 posts, incept 2010-06-21
2023-01-19 08:32:17

It is quite obvious that the federal government loves the current border and immigration arrangement (both democrats and republicans) or they would have done something about it long ago. My guess is that if enough states took your advice, the federal government would try some kind of BS like tying federal highway funds to NOT requiring e-verify for all employees in order to get a business license at the state or county level. This is the same thing they did to force Louisiana to adopt a drinking age of 21 back in the late '80's. If the federal government did this is would likely be unconstitutional (from my limited understanding thereof) but when has that stopped them before?
Flyingscotsman 46 posts, incept 2012-02-27
2023-01-19 08:32:23

I saw this story the other day, along with some speech talking points Re: the vex, and thought someone over in the Desantis camp has been copying Denninger's homework. While I'd welcome any state implementing the policies pitched on this site, I'll believe it when I see it. And even then, they need to be enforced. <cough> vex passports - cruise lines <cough>

post tenebras lux
Mikeyjm2 110 posts, incept 2011-10-20
2023-01-19 08:32:40

This is how I know that Texas is fundamentally non-serious about fixing this issue. Rather than doing something that is within their power and would actually be effective we get political stunts.
Neal 259 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-01-19 09:12:49

Fully support using employment verification to identify illegals.
BUT.. Im totally opposed for using state issued business licences as a back door way of enforcing it. Business licences shouldnt be a privilege, they should not even exist. Do you get outraged when you read of a kids lemonade stand getting shut down because they dont have a licence? When I feel the same about licensing crap for part time sidelines, full time small operators and even for large corporations.
So just raid those suspected of hiring illegals and punish for that but leave licensing out of it.
Tsdj86 52 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-19 09:13:03

I guess if your bored and looking for idle chit chat, discussing illegal immigration at the nation/state level is useful to fill time. Just as contemplating the systemic medical over-charging and medical misconduct is useful for idle chit chat as well, but that's where it begins and ends.

Day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year nothing changes, ever.

The billionaire/political class rent seekers love their unrelenting importable low IQ manipulatable worker-bees and their legislatively controlled bloated medical insurance scams.

Neat topics for idle chit chat. If the govt wanted these issues changed/fixed they would be. They don't, so they won't be fixed or changed.

Njca 265 posts, incept 2018-10-16
2023-01-19 10:17:14

Good for Florida!

Reminds me of an old joke.

The wife and I wanted to put a backyard deck on the house, so I drove to Home Depot and had a chat with Pepe and Juan, two lllegals plying their trade, as it were, in the Home Depot parking lot. They gave me an incredible quote on the deck, but as I thought it over later that day, I felt bad about promoting illegal labor, and taking work away from American citizens, so I decided to go with Dave's Backyard Decks. He talked a good game, had a wife and three young kids, and even though his quote was three times that of Pepe and Juan, I decided to go with him.

The day of the job, guess who showed up to do the actual work? Yep, Pepe and Juan.
Winesorbet 872 posts, incept 2010-08-23
2023-01-19 10:17:51

Funny, California enforces stupid shit all the time in its state but it does prove your point.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-19 10:18:07

Yeah but not that @Winesorbet; if they did 90% of the problem would disappear overnight and the other 10% would be gang-bangers and I'm perfectly ok with shooting them immediately since that seems to be what they like to do already.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2023-01-19 10:27:26

This is why you can tell Abbott is a worthless sack of flesh. He doesnt do anything to actually stop the invasion in Texas. Just one of many reasons I would never move to Texas (none of which include the weather).
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-19 10:29:23

How else do you know a state isn't serious about illegals?

What's the uninsured motorist premium for car insurance in said place?

If they actually throw people in jail for wrecking a car without having insurance its very reasonable. If a state gives a shit about illegals driving around with no capacity to pay and not even demonstrating they can operate a vehicle at all they throw said people who do that and wreck in jail. If not, they don't.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Stoic 297 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2023-01-19 10:53:39

Per the recent Ticker, the state's are being "coerced" into not doing anything about the invasion (and many other issues) under threat of Uncle Sugar turning off the federal funds spigot. How can the state politicians buy votes if less money is coming in? Make do with less you say? Again, read the Ticker on coersion. To many have their hands out and the consequences of that be damned.

Traz 222 posts, incept 2009-08-14
2023-01-19 10:53:45

Lawmakers -

"But, but.. we don't have enough jail space or the funds to throw everyone who breaks a law in to jail. We would have to stop making laws, collecting fines from those who can afford it and bribes from those that need our "laws"!"


You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game. Vote them all out 2023
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-19 10:58:10

BTW by way of example:

In Tennessee my uninsured motorist BI premium is $20 for six months, or $3.33/month. Same (high) limits as my BI coverage. Uninsured PD is $13 for six months.

What's your state look like in that regard? In Florida many people opt out of it because it is as expensive OR MORE than your BI/PD premium! Why? Because they never throw anyone in jail for wrecking without coverage or even a driver license and since said person never has anything suing them is a waste of time.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Thelazer 1k posts, incept 2009-05-11
2023-01-19 11:32:49

Don't expect your hotel rooms to get as clean as they once were if they really enforce this...
Phoenix800 148 posts, incept 2021-09-18
2023-01-19 11:56:20

But, but.. we don't have enough jail space or the funds to throw everyone who breaks a law in to jail.

Fuck jail. Implement caning, whipping, pillroy, tar and feather, slavery, boiling in oil, drawn and quartering, and firing squad.

Law enforcement costs will plummet.

Cary 86 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2023-01-19 11:56:29

Saw in Jeff Childer's Coffee and Covid substack this morning that Desantis is going to let the hospital immunity in Florida expire in June. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/no-evid....
Childers also links to an Epoch Times article where he is quoted heavily about it.

Yay, I guess, for being the first to address if he follows through. It is crazy that no one else has done anything about this previously. But this would be another case of how states could fight back.
Ihsmta 862 posts, incept 2008-04-10
2023-01-19 12:19:15

Here in MN my uninsured motorist coverage is $7/6 mos and underinsured motorist coverage is $14/6 mos. This, despite area packing plants and hog/poultry/dairy farms full of employees of questionable immigration status.

If you want some insight into the border issue, watch Joe Rogan's recent interview with Peter Zeihan. Zeihan claims that a much more violent Mexican cartel is taking over with aspirations of operating more openly in the US. He says that it is inevitable that the violence will suddenly spill over into the border states. He believes that the US's conversation on immigration policy will only change once the first white suburban women in Phoenix is murdered. He makes a lot of sense.

You can bet that the uniparty will maintain the immigration status quo until there is a direct threat to them; money, votes, personal safety.

"Economists are no different than the prophets of ancient Pompeii who reassured that Mt Vesuvius would never blow. After all, it never had before." Baxter Black, DVM and Cowboy Poet

"You can avoi
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-19 12:20:20

Its simply a question of "who drives" Ihsmta. We have plenty of illegals here but they're not driving. They tend to get shuffled around in 15pax vans; I've seen it repeatedly.

If they DO drive without a license and insurance and hit someone they get fucked, and thus they don't do that.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Inspectrcalahan 471 posts, incept 2021-01-15
2023-01-19 13:56:53

State coercion by the feds is real here in the poorest state in the nation, or maybe second poorest, we trade occasionally with New Mexico. Sometime ago I read 1/2 of the money coming into the state was federal funds. Didnt surprise me.
Any way I stole some of Karls info and fired off stern letters to my state rep, who I know pretty well. I also sent same to my senator , whose father I know well. I fully suspect to get back a letter telling me they cant do anything because the chicken processors would stop bribing them. Haha ha no they wont tell me that, but I look forward to their excuses.
Ihsmta 862 posts, incept 2008-04-10
2023-01-19 13:57:10

@Tickerguy... Agreed. They have shuttle buses running constantly here. (On a side note - this is proof that private enterprise will provide public transportation without gov support if sufficient demand exists.)

I know I have related this before on this forum. My BIL was head of sales for a large packing plant in the area 12+ years ago. The illegal worker problem and associated liability was already such a problem that this plant did not hire directly only using employees vetted by an employment agency. The employees would have impeccable immigration documentation, However, if the INS showed up at the plant unannounced, a great number of employees would not come back from break. The next day, the exact same employees would come back to work with entirely new identities supported by the same impeccable residency documentation. My BIL said the fakes were better that the originals.

Even if the uniparty agreed to stop illegal immigration, they'd have to seal the US/Mexico border with a militarized no-man's land mush as separates the two Koreas. Ain't gonna happen.

"Economists are no different than the prophets of ancient Pompeii who reassured that Mt Vesuvius would never blow. After all, it never had before." Baxter Black, DVM and Cowboy Poet

"You can avoi
Olddad 219 posts, incept 2019-08-22
2023-01-19 13:57:38

I got rear ended in NC some years ago. The woman who hit me pleaded with me not to call the cops. She willingly gave me her NC Driver's License, NC registration, NC insurance card and told me she would clean my house for as long as it took to pay me back. All the documents matched for name, address, plate and VIN. When I asked her why she wanted no police report she said, "They will deport me." I took down all of her information, called the cops, and gave her back her documents. At that point she took off.

When the cops showed up they asked where she was and I told them she left, they asked why. I said she was illegal and afraid of being deported. They asked how I knew she was illegal. I said she told me so. They both laughed and said, "Not in this state. They don't deport anybody." They ran all her info and everything was legit and current. So then they went after her for hit and run and her insurance paid for my repairs.

How can an illegal alien have everything needed to legally drive in any state? Blows my mind.
Generalee 123 posts, incept 2011-04-30
2023-01-19 13:58:10

Funny observation last month. One of those 15 passenger vans rambled into grocery parking lot like they were driving in open field (probably did all day) and out popped 5-6 Latinos and when I was checking out they had a 12 pack beer birthday cake. Seems one of them turned 21 and they were celebrating. Yep carded so how did they get a license to drive or how about the risks od drunk driving? Sheesh.
Tsdj86 52 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-19 13:58:30

There's already more murders and general criminal activity by illegal's in Phoenix than you can shake a stick at. It's endemic.

There isn't anyone in the political clown world that give's two flying shits.

There is so much criminality that is reported daily you literally have to stop reading the crap before you become nauseated with the entire cluster f**K that the country has become.

Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-01-19 13:58:40

Nice thing that they are finally doing. What took them so long? Perhaps the politics are right for this move, or someone has aspirations. Even the legislature reads the writing on the wall.

Funny how politicians fix things AFTER the damage is done.

Too many illegal generations' children have been born here creating an underclass. There will be a move to legitimize the olders no questions asked about past illegal behavior. The born here will still work for cash and use welfare.

What about all of the unfair business advantage for DECADES scumbag businesses had along with profits while this was not enforced? I know exactly how to investigate and prosecute that one. In most cases there is no statute of limitations for tax FRAUD.

A while back some lugnut here said that one could not terminate an employee for providing a false SS number or lying about legal status to work at the job and not get sued for discrimination. BULLSHIT -- operations which we supervised were in this position and we did it as per our and our clients' standards. Lying on an employment application is cause for immediate termination and is also criminal fraud in many cases (last that i checked tax fraud is criminal) and indicative of bad character. None ever sued when fired for cause which is how it was listed in the employee file.

This is all politics with a side dish of solutions.

Not impressed.

smiley Je souhaite

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