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2023-01-18 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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And again, over the transom come the fish.... courtesy of Ishmael -- Ed.


Who are you?

If you are coming off of a three day bender and reality is fuzzy, find a wallet and dig until you find a driver's license with the picture that looks somewhat familiar.  After that much booze for that long, the image is a mirror.  Congratulations!  Mystery solved.

For everyone else the question is both more fundamental and abstract.  It is not one that needs an answer every day.  People live, love, work, and revel without a thought towards how actions define them.

This is not a bad thing.  As I stated in a previous guest Ticker, too much introspection and navelgazing leads to stagnation.  In the same way that writing a plan is not the same as executing it, pondering what and why other than as a way to learn lessons for the future is dangerous.  It’s not just a waste of time, it’s that people mistake planning for action.  In reality, nothing has been done.

But since we are moving on to the Thud! phase of the Coof Wars, it’s time for everyone to evaluate how to fight.  As I opined earlier, almost none of us have the option of sitting Thud! out.  The clot shot damage is simply too widespread to avoid.  Whether it’s yours, a loved one, or a coworker, poor health will affect you.  

Many will fight by caring for a sick loved one.  God bless you!

Others will fight by vacationing in place harder, or checking out from the corporate world altogether.

One or two will fight directly Jeremy style.  You’ll hear about these folks on the evening news in shocked tones:  Some doctor's head explodes on the way to his car or a pharmacist's house burns down.  As horrifying as these acts are, these individuals made their death, or the death of someone they loved, very personal. If these things will happen, it will be in the Thud! phase.

Another marker of a new phase are new allies.  This isn’t a purely conscious decision.  The Thud! phase means new stakes. Normally, any battle plan involves a line which once crossed means the fight is on.  This is not the case here.

What are the stakes?  For some it’s life-and-death.  Cancer, cardiovascular, and autoimmune diseases are exploding.  For others, it’s how to financially and emotionally support the sick. Or finding a new job.  And in a few cases, it’s pure revenge.

Here’s a harsh fact about any line in the sand: it’s already been drawn and violated.  The shots have been had, the side effects are evident.  No amount of smug demands for forgiveness mitigate chemo induced nausea. The only decision each person has to make is if they will fight and how.

This is why the question “who are you?” was important enough to repeat multiple times. 

Everybody needs friends and allies.  Since almost no one has the option of sitting Thud! out, there are plenty of people to choose from.  Who they are boils down to two questions: Who am I? and how do I find my own?

Both of these questions are answered with principles. What are your principles? Find people that share your principles.  Each of us needs support, and we must support our own.

How do I find my own?

I watched a debate in the comments on a recent Ticker about fake vaccine cards.  Some people were all for them, anything to stick it to The System.  Others were neutral on it.  A few denounced it as dishonest and scummy.  Some stated a fake vaccine card was a lie and they would not associate with liars.

Everyone who commented stated their principles. They may not have expressed it in such a way, yet anyone reading knew who “their people” were.

The first step is identifying your own principles.  Lying to yourself about what they are makes you a terrible ally and friend for everybody.  There are a wide variety of principles people hold. The point of the rest of this guest Ticker is not how anyone else should live their lives, the examples illustrate how principles guide behaviors.

Let’s take a hypothetical person who made a fake vaccine card.  While we can never know what is in an individual’s heart, from the outside we can infer a few things about their principles: survival, comfort, and freedom are three possible values they live their lives by.

Contrast with someone who opposed fake vaccine cards:  honesty, justice, and integrity might be some of their core principles.

As I stated before, this guest Ticker is not admonishing one side or the other.  It’s simply illustrating that people’s principles can conflict or align.

Who are you?

Find your people, you will need each other in the coming decade.

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Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-18 09:30:26

Somebody cue up The Who. Who are you??

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Why are you giving a vulgarity warning here? Our genial host is an advocate of both skullfucking and sodomy via rusty chainsaw. Credit to Rollformer
Neal 263 posts, incept 2014-01-09
2023-01-18 09:30:26

I hold no animosity to those who used fake jab cards, nor those who obtained genuine cards by sneaky means such as bribing doctors.
Sure it isnt the most noble of actions. But when you are fighting a guerilla war against scum you dont fight fair and Queensbury Rules do not apply.
Tsdj86 57 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-18 09:30:26

I think it's pretty clear that this group of commentators that frequent this site are very much aligned in life's views, perspectives than differ in any meaningful way.

The world is a dirty, corrupt unfair place that requires daily perspective and analysis.

There is one thing we know categorically, the power players, govt, big-pharma and other assorted political hacks and grifters are never going to voluntarily admit, prosecute, sanction or voluntarily hold accountable those in positions of power for their misdeeds.

So yes, life is all about choices and consequences. Lets hope we all choose the right path and align with the right people.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-18 09:30:27

Also, the people I thought were my people arent my people. Funny that.

The whole world is one big fucking scam
Why are you giving a vulgarity warning here? Our genial host is an advocate of both skullfucking and sodomy via rusty chainsaw. Credit to Rollformer
Mjeff87 1k posts, incept 2021-11-22
2023-01-18 09:30:27

I printed up a fake card early on in the start of the bullshit. Used the info off of my wife's card. But I decided not to use it. Same thing with claiming a religious exemption for work. I decided that I wanted them to know I wasn't about to get vexxed for any reason. I understand that others did not take that route for whatever reasons. My "real life" people group is very, very small (TF members not counted, I've just not had occasion to personally meet anyone here yet).

Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum

If you look like shit, then you are shit.
Njca 266 posts, incept 2018-10-16
2023-01-18 09:30:27

Having unprotected sex with a woman who has just been toxxinated or boosted, when you haven't been - good idea? Could be your wife, for example.
Ocdawg 418 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-01-18 09:30:27

Damn straight Ishmael smiley

It has been said that in one's life, you only have 4 or 5 truly good friends. In Thud! World, this is magnified but with different meanings ie "survival". I'm moving on from several "friends" who's heads are still buried in the sand from the last 3 years. They made their choices... they are not MY choices.

Plan wisely...

"When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat."- George Carlin
USA= smiley

Reason: Fish bounced off the transom
Smokintoad 129 posts, incept 2014-10-14
2023-01-18 09:30:27

Insightful and well written.

This morning there was a new Unity Point Health commercial on the 6 AM newscast. A doctor listed the steps to take if you think you're having a heart attack. Call 911 and get an ambulance, take aspirin, ad get yourself to a UPH hospital.
Very interesting timing...
Mrbobo 107 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2023-01-18 09:30:27

Is Jeremy a Pearl Jam reference?

I may be misreading this, but how does one align when the principles are incongruent (as I find the examples to be)?
They made IFF on this shite very easy at the start with masks. As a matter of principle it is a binary thing for me, did you ever say no? If not, how am I to ally with (or trust) someone who has abandoned me at least once previously.
Patrick58 249 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2023-01-18 09:42:29

Ishmael - you have a lovely writing style that "cuts to the chase"!

I would also recommend that each potential survivor take the initiative to learn to be your own doctor. Know that you are the only one responsible for your health and safety! Reliance upon the CMS system, insurance, and currently available necessary medications may become increasingly difficult to obtain, even in the black market. The host has many actionable methods to improve your health immediately (low carb, ketogenic diet), and if you're overweight ... is a great place to start. Re-examine your thought process. Learn to see what is true, and what is false. Act upon things that will contribute to your resilience. I attempt to practice stoicism, as well as minimalism ... for me it works.

It is true that "no man is an island", which is why I read folks like TG, and his guest host. They "get it". Thank you again TG, and Ishmael for being that lighthouse, shining that light through the fog, so that I can know where I am in that sea of confusion!
Olddad 219 posts, incept 2019-08-22
2023-01-18 10:18:18

Stand by your principles long and hard enough and you'll end up with zero friends and an alienated family. Believe me, I know. I'm honestly surprised my wife has stuck with me but she gets it most of the time. Most people are just lazy and enjoy their comforts too much to give a shit about the consequences. Blows my mind everytime.
Wtfishappening 121 posts, incept 2021-10-15
2023-01-18 10:18:26

Good post Ismael. Makes one step back and think...I know people that took a variety of paths...Fake card, of which I was provided blanks to use if I so chose (didn't)...real card without actually getting the shot (shot into the back of a the chair instead. My family chose to NOT use a fake card, NOT get their poison and my husband lost his job. Oh well...he's alive and happily retired. We were fortunate to be able to make this choice based on our life philosophy of NOT overspending for the last 30 years or so.

We made our decision that was right for us. Whether or not you are a believer in Christ, I am, and we decided our moral compass was more important. With that being said, while I am absolutely an imperfect sinner and work in progress, I choose not to judge others based on their choice...except the Karens and Kens that tried to destroy our lives and ability to go about our life uninterrupted...they will have to get their Grace from God...I'm imperfect enought to admit I have none for them currently.

Peace out

Your never ending spree of death and violence and hate
Is gonna tie your own rope
Miserywhip 6 posts, incept 2022-05-28
2023-01-18 10:18:38


"War" is a child of laws, you should be preparing for what they had before laws.
Tappedout 236 posts, incept 2020-09-21
2023-01-18 10:18:45

Finding allies?

No thank you.

I'm still licking my wounds from the realization that those I thought were allies are selfish, cowardly, lemmings. I won't make that mistake to the degree I did, ever again.

My family. My close friends. They are all the allies I need for now, and most likely the rest of my life. Everyone else is an adversary, potential trading party, or a combination of those two. I'll continue to live by "Do unto others..." for the sake of civility, and because that's how I'm wired. But seek out new people as allies? Sorry. That takes an iota of trust. And I'm one iota short on that.

Who am I? Good question. I though I knew who I was. I thought I was aging like a fine wine. But now my cork smells like an old gym bag, and my bottle holds vinegar. And I know I am not alone.

All I care about now is positioning myself and my family as optimally as possible for the future I see.

"All these worlds are your worlds. Except Europa. Attempt no landing there."

"All the
Bluto 2k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2023-01-18 10:18:51

The first step is identifying your own principles. Lying to yourself about what they are makes you a terrible ally and friend for everybody.

"Don't lie to yourself" is a major tenet of one of world's most popular religions.

They have been incredibly successful, and accumulated much power, in recent decades.

While they get a lot of stuff wrong, they are very dedicated to action and being true to yourself....

Nonetheless, it is still good advice.

"You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end -- which you can never afford to lose -- with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever
Djsnola 330 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2023-01-18 10:18:58

Speaking of finding your peeps. Id love to get Karls take on the Oregon/Idaho situation and where that may be headed. This could be an interesting development in the fight for return to extreme federalism.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-18 10:19:24

IMHO exactly nowhere; its more grandstanding @Djsnola. Let me know when the OR or ID peeps sack the capitol.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Proverbs16.33 256 posts, incept 2021-10-22
2023-01-18 10:51:35

It is refreshing for me to come onto this site and be reminded that there are others out there like me. Sadly in the "real world" of daily life, those are much fewer and farther between. When I meet new people I'll often try to slip a few code words so to speak into the conversation, to see if there are common interests, thoughts, viewpoints, etc. But sadly most of the time those are not picked up nor returned.
And while I read on the internet about all the people "waking up" to the VAX-holocaust, politics, etc, I'm not really seeing much of that in reality, and I live in a pretty "red" area.
Eleua 21k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2023-01-18 10:51:39

Add this to the calculus:

Over half of the Marxists/Democrats wanted most of us in camps, merely for refusing the jab. Almost half of them wanted us in prison or ruinously fined if we dared publicly question the jab.

IOW, your enemy has a yuge head start on finding allies, and they have deadly intent with the ability to make good on it. They have a near monopoly on the means of organizing, and a century of experience. They dont have principles to restrain them; they are 100% outcome focused.

IFF on our side is going to be a lot trickier than most realize.

Diversity + proximity = WAR

-They wanted camps; I want ropes.
Wayiwalk 627 posts, incept 2016-11-09
2023-01-18 10:51:57

I already located a few allies in the last 35 Months of Covid.

My gut tells me I need more than a handful for the months ahead.

Always great to be pointed in the right direction by my community of remote internet allies herein.

The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Krzelune 16k posts, incept 2007-10-08
2023-01-18 11:08:57

I remember about two years ago thinking a fake card sounds great. I even got the pdf and goofed around a little. I didn't know if I'd ever need it or not. Then reading some posts in the bar this Whitehat guy points out how stupid it is. I was like, no shit. Sometimes you need to be reminded of your principles.


Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-18 11:11:46

I've not made up my mind about the fake vaccine cards. But I'm happy that Karl has denounced them, as this means Karl represents a fixed pole of morality in a world where such is very rare.

Its all in the mitochondria
Wtfishappening 121 posts, incept 2021-10-15
2023-01-18 11:17:14

Proverbs 16:33 we must live in a similar WNC foothills area...after moving out of a NC "city" we find more like us than we used to...for example our new neighbors on our first meeting we discovered were like minded...Thank God!

Wish you well

Your never ending spree of death and violence and hate
Is gonna tie your own rope
Wtfishappening 121 posts, incept 2021-10-15
2023-01-18 11:17:24

Fake cards won't be working soon as we will be forced into some electronic monitoring system...wake up and stop the oligarhs before it's too late

Your never ending spree of death and violence and hate
Is gonna tie your own rope
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